Facebook's chief security officer has been working for the NSA harvesting data for over 2 years

[Catherina]

Web’s Reach Binds N.S.A. and Silicon Valley Leaders

By JAMES RISEN and NICK WINGFIELD
Published: June 19, 2013

WASHINGTON — When Max Kelly, the chief security officer for Facebook, left the social media company in 2010, he did not go to Google, Twitter or a similar Silicon Valley concern. Instead the man who was responsible for protecting the personal information of Facebook’s more than one billion users from outside attacks went to work for another giant institution that manages and analyzes large pools of data: the National Security Agency.

Mr. Kelly’s move to the spy agency, which has not previously been reported, underscores the increasingly deep connections between Silicon Valley and the agency and the degree to which they are now in the same business. Both hunt for ways to collect, analyze and exploit large pools of data about millions of Americans.

The only difference is that the N.S.A. does it for intelligence, and Silicon Valley does it to make money.

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Silicon Valley has what the spy agency wants: vast amounts of private data and the most sophisticated software available to analyze it. The agency in turn is one of Silicon Valley’s largest customers for what is known as data analytics, one of the valley’s fastest-growing markets. To get their hands on the latest software technology to manipulate and take advantage of large volumes of data, United States intelligence agencies invest in Silicon Valley start-ups, award classified contracts and recruit technology experts like Mr. Kelly.

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More here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/technology/silicon-valley-and-spy-agency-bound-by-strengthening-web.html?pagewanted=all&_r=3&

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. There is a word I am looking

It's at the tip of my tongue...it's starts with an F.

This duck quacks

[malaise]

2. It's frightening

Seriously - nothing is private

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. And it is not partisan

[WillyT]

10. This Might Help...

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Thanks

Going down that list is scary.

[WillyT]

13. Just Gave It It's Own OP...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023065163

[dixiegrrrrl]

66. By jove, I think you've got it!

[zeemike]

39. You can check everyone of those off the list.

But still people will call you a CTer or a hair on fire pearl clutcher if you call it that...they own that word and you can't use it

[99th_Monkey]

54. Alex Jones has used the "F-word" already. That's taken.

We have to think of a new name for it, because we can never ever be
saying the same thing Alex Jones is saying and be politically correct.

Alex Jones thinks the world is round, so I'm sure it must be flat.

[zeemike]

59. Yep....and that is how they come to own the word.

The dichotomy.....you are ether with him or us...

[ReRe]

45. Looks like a joke, but NOT!

To you youngsters out there: This is NOT a joke. This is the full definition of Fascism. And WillyT, thank you so much for posting this. You need to post this every day in all threads and you might leave off the last line in red, or change it to "1947-Present," or "1963-Present."

[Rex]

3. Yeah they just lost 6 million user accounts, 'hacked'

but I wonder if that is code for something else now. They all work together, I joked years ago calling it CIA-Facebook.

[malaise]

5. Too many people forget that the US Army invented the

internet

[Rex]

6. Yes some of us were playing on DARPA long ago.

When they called it a BBS.

[malaise]

7. The truth is that unvetted people like Snowdon are way more problematic

for people's basic security than we every imagined - they have access to credit cards, etc. so that while there is the anger/fear of the invasion of privacy, having these private sector goons having access is way more frightening to me.
National security cannot be in the hands of private contractors

[sabrina 1]

12. Privatization, of everything, even the Government. I wonder how much of the 'work' that has been

handed over to these Private Security Corporations is outsourced to other countries. It makes a mockery of the lies they've been telling us about 'protecting our security'.

In the end, it's most likely all about money. Selling data, buying data, all in the name of Security and Terror.

And that is probably why they are freaking out, the whole scam is likely to come toppling down once the people learn what they are really up to.

As Ron Wyden said 'if the people knew how they are using the law, they would be outraged'. Well, let's find out, even though it probably is already too late.

Clapper, Republican, a perfect example of the Corporate involvement in all of this. Former CEO of Booz Allen, now Director of Intelligence. How did THAT happen in a Democratic Administration?

[malaise]

16. Maybe we're just naive

National interest always meant the interests of the corporations - now they're looting government with impunity.
George Bush and Cheney really fugged up this planet - and it will take hard work to undo this madness.
Blackwater was their first big mercenary experiment - shakes head.
9/11 was way too convenient.

[dkf]

14. They are going to the hacker community to hire people.

How well do hackers vet? Not that I really care. I'm more interested in disassembling it all.

[malaise]

17. All I know is that the thieves and the lunatics are running our planet

and it is scary. Hackers vet???? We can dream. Disassembling it all is the only way to go but that is not going to happen.

[ReRe]

51. Vetting = "Will you lie, cheat and steal for the Corporation, so help you GOD?" n/t

[Rex]

32. Yes the damage to national security is the fault of our system

and the stupid idea of copying Wall Street in buying the lowest bidder, outsourcing and basically making everything else suck for the rest of us. They should be embarrassed about that. They however just looked the other way, ie, corporate mercenaries - so I don't expect the feds to give a shit. Just like when the Pentagon investigates something inhouse. You already know the verdict. This govt has a fetish with money. Seems sometimes they don't give a shit about anything else. Or seem to remember we deserve the right to be protected FROM corporations. Not work hand and hand with them.

How can you trust THEIR allegiance? Microsoft? LOL.

[ReRe]

52. Be afraid whenever they mutter the words:

NATIONAL SECURITY.

Because National Security = Corporate Security of the USA.

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. Me too!

[ReRe]

46. Si, Senora/Senor! n/t

[DeSwiss]

42. And for good reason:

- Watch particularly from timemark 1:50.....

[ReRe]

56. OP it, DeSwiss!

Pulllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease! (like Roger Rabbit would say it)

Pretty please?

[DeSwiss]

61. Done and done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017127021

[Jarla]

8. LOL! This makes a video by the Onion too close to truth

CIA's 'Facebook' Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs

[malaise]

9. Fiction is stranger than truth

[Catherina]

19. Oh please please please, I just have to repost this

Facebook is at 1:50

- Mark Zuckerberg, your position?
-
word, sit back, listen you rocking with Zuckerberg, fuckin’ nerd tactician
-
So PRISM?
-
what’s that, ‘PRISM’? Never even heard of that system
yeah we got a program running, but we call it FASCISM
-
Do your users like that?
-
a billion likes, cousin,
and if you dislike something, here’s my dislike button,
I’m in charge you fuckin’ turds, interview’s over, finished, ended

These are the low lives handling our personal information.

Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks'

Mark Zuckerberg admits in a New Yorker profile that he mocked early Facebook users for trusting him with their personal information. A youthful indiscretion, the Facebook founder says he's much more mature now, at the ripe age of 26.

"They trust me — dumb fucks," says Zuckerberg in one of the instant messages, first published by former Valleywag Nicholas Carlson at Silicon Alley Insider, and now confirmed by Zuckerberg himself in Jose Antonio Vargas's New Yorker piece. Zuckerberg now tells Vargas, "I think I've grown and learned a lot" since those instant messages.

And yet the old quote resounds precisely because Facebook continues to stir up privacy controversies at regular intervals. Zuckerberg justifies his privacy rollbacks by saying the social norms have changed in favor of transparency, but, as tech executive Anil Dash tells the New Yorker, that sort of change is much more appealing for a privileged, Ivy Leaguer golden boy of Silicon Valley like Zuckerberg than for his half a billion users, many of whom work for less tolerant bosses and socialize in more judgmental circles.

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http://gawker.com/482448579

[Jarla]

22. Yup, very spot on!

[truedelphi]

36. Thanks for putting some fun back into the

Fourth Reich!

If the Onion can't do it, no one can.

[Jarla]

38. The video I linked to is a different one

Both are quite funny.

Sorry, I don't think I'm allowed to embed videos.

[Catherina]

40. Lol! Thank you!

I have so much security on my computer that it didn't even show there was a video there. I just went and watched. How funny lol but so sad at the same time.

PS, it's not you. You can't embed that format, only the big ones like youtube, vimeo. dailymotion etc

Your video is too funny lol! Thanks Jarla

[ReRe]

58. This fall, when SNL is live again (and not on reruns)...

... I can see Justin Timberlake playing Snowden in a whistle costume, maybe standing in front of a White House backdrop and SNL's Mr Pharoh (black dude who looks vaguely similar to PO). Thanks, Catherina!

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. My guess is... They made him an offer he couldn't refuse. n/t

[sabrina 1]

18. Could be. Or maybe he just liked the money involved. Who knows? See Clapper for another

questionable 'alliance'. He was a former CEO of Booz Allen, multi-billion dollar Security Corporation. He sailed from that job right into the government and is now the Director of Intelligence. I'm sure that all that he knows now would never be used by him, to say, influence Congress to provide more funding for his former (and probably future) Corporation. All of it stinks, and anyone who is denying it is either part of it and profiting from it, or just plain willfully blind.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. "willfully blind"... if that isn't a "truetrue", I don't know what is. n/t

[Skip Intro]

21. Facebook exists to gather data on its users.

Hell, Facebook might be an NSA program.

Damn, I thought twice about posting that.

[sabrina 1]

24. That's why I never joined it. From the beginning when I went there and saw the requirements to join

I decided it wasn't worth the risk of having your personal info out there. No other forum I joined around that time, asked for your real name, date of birth, address, etc. It just felt creepy.

I know they can find you anyhow, but why make it that easy for them. And when I got to know Zucerman, I didn't like him at all.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. You think what you post on DU is private?

ALL data on the internet is public and accessible.

[sabrina 1]

48. Uh this is a PUBLIC forum. Was that snark?

Lol, yes, I think when I post on a public forum no one can see it!

No, I but I think that what I say privately on the phone and in email which SHOULD be private, is not private either. And THAT is a problem, unless you have no problem living in a surveilance state, like East Germany eg, which I do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. Sayin' it doesn't just go away...

[Skip Intro]

57. They ask me personal questions every time I log in.

Almost everything I've given them is made up - everything but my name. But now they're asking me every time I sign in where I went to High School, where I work, etc. I never filled out that info and they really do want it.

It's a giant data vacuum and sadly it doesn't surprise me to learn it has deep government connections.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

53. Some say that's one of the main ideas behind the www in general

Facebook, google, et all, are just enhanced ways of harvesting... but it is all obviously dependent on the www... I double edged sword, for sure.

[Coccydynia]

23. To repeat the coalescing DU position:

Old news. Why the outrage? Why the Obama hate?

[sabrina 1]

25. Lol, you mean the minority on DU. And the majority is not the least bit surprised by the

desperation and where it is coming from.

It won't silence anyone, so the goal won't be achieved. In fact the more desperate they become to silence people, the more determined people are to speak out.

[zeemike]

41. I know that is how it effected me.

I hate manipulators and bullies....and can't resist defying them.

[sabrina 1]

50. I know, I wonder what they expect to achieve. It would make a good study in human behavior.

Certainly, considering the sources and the obvious goal, it doesn't effect me in the least or anyone else that I know of.

[Skip Intro]

26. You joined DU 5 days ago and you know "the coalescing DU position?"

[Coccydynia]

37. I can count, and I can spot trends

And I can read DU without being a member.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. Are we safe with Google?

I expect not

I thought facebook would be looking out for terrorists. How about Twitter?

[Matariki]

28. He moved from one job to the other

your subject line makes it sound like those roles are concurrent.

[PufPuf23]

29. Thank you Catherina. kr

[Catherina]

34. PufPuf!

So welcome!

[treestar]

30. Where'd he get the time for all that?

Corporate bigwigs like to make money. Not waste time working for the government for free.

[JI7]

31. Obama use to be Senator before he became President

[DeSwiss]

43. K&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. Buncha guys with assault rifles talking armed revolt = No problem...

Buncha guys talking about Wall Street greed = National Security at risk.

[RC]

47. Sadly that seems to be the case.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. They're protecting their investment....

They spent BILLIONS to get Americans to believe they can't have what they want because they are outnumbered by a tiny minority of right wingers.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

49. What a pleasure it is

NOT being on Facebook. After all is said and done, e-mailing, phoning, and in-person get togethers still work. Easy as switching from a mega bank to a credit union.

[Catherina]

63. Assange did warn people they were doing all the intelligence agencies' work for them n/t

[Wilms]

62. ^

[jsr]

64. There is a special bond between NSA and Silicon Valley

[Catherina]

65. Nice pic n/t