It's all a right wing smear campaign

[Andy823]

Made up scandal after scandal, all with the goal of making the president and his administration look bad, and to help the sorry lot of republicans running for office next year have something to try and win with! And lest we not forget the same tactics used in 2010 of right wing trolls, and now I expect tea party trolls, coming on boards like this to keep the pot stirred up, and the seem to be doing a pretty good job of that these days!

To me is just plain insane that so many on the far left want to pull this same crap all over again. Didn't they learn from what happened before when not only did republicans and tea party clowns win the House, but also took control of so many states, and we all know just how bad that has turned out!

Right now the goal is to keep the media tied up with all the BS scandals they can, and get the public to ignore the other things that are NOT getting done, or some of the total insanity that is being pushed by the tea publicans in the house as well as in many state governments. Passing insane laws, making insane comments, and just plain trying to destroy not only our nation, but many states.

People need to really stop and think about what is going on, and instead of jumping the "anti-Obama" bandwagon with the paid right wing trolls, they should be worrying about not losing the Senate, and taking back the house. I have seen the most obvious trolling here since I came here back in 2008. While some trolls do get called out because they go way, way to far, it seems like most time the anti-Obama crowd just joins in as long as it's against the president.

I love your picture, and I just wish people would wait for all the facts to come out before they jump the gun and go ballistic. The Snowdon issue is a prime example. It has a life all of it's own and so many really important issues are being pushed off the boards because there are so many new threads all about the NSA issue. People are already divided on this issue, and I really don't think they will change their minds on how they feel, well some may when the "facts" do come out, but for the most part it's the same thing day after day "he is a hero, he is a traitor, and on and on.

I just hope people start paying attention. I do think that things are not nearly as insane in the real world as they seem to be here lately, but if we don't keep the Senate next year, we are in deep trouble because nothing at all will get done the rest of the presidents term, and only getting the voters out will make a difference.

[FSogol]

1. True dat. K & R n/t

[Peacetrain]

2. Wait till Hillary trys to run..

whew..they will be after her as well.. it is a sad state of affairs.. but you read the party sucks threads all the time.. it does not take a mind reader to see what is ahead..

[Cha]

6. Too true, Peacetrain.. long time

no see! And, nice to see you again.

[Peacetrain]

39. Hey Cha!

I have been running around like a chicken for the last couple of years.. and we are hopeful here locally that Hillary will run.. It would be so awesome to have a woman President before I meet my Maker..

[flamingdem]

12. Oh it's going to be a laugh riot around here

Hillary is much more conservative than Obama, imo

[Peacetrain]

40. More like a libertarian streak I think

flamingdem.. . but she has always balanced that out with her concern for people.. I don't know how people who are ready to call Obama a war criminal will be able to turn around and then support her with any kind of validity.. that is what concerns me.. that people get so caught up in their politics..that that becomes the issue.. how they personally view the world.. and not the facts themselves.. have to wait and see on this one..

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. I elected a President, part of representative government,

Not a leader.

I suppose you elected a leader.

This s actually an explanation of what we got here.

By the way internal compass and being pissed when Bush did it...means I will not change those views just because a Democrat was elected to office.

And you know what, you remind me of the hippie punching republicans in 2003....or so at the AOL boards, also defending the indefensible.

[Andy823]

11. Hippie punching republican?

Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Well I guess it's better than some things I have called, although I am not sure why there has to be name calling for those who disagree with you.

Now as I have told you in other posts, I want the facts to come out, and when they do, if there is wrong doing, they I want some action also, but trying to pin it all on the president makes no sense. Congress gives the power, passes the bills that make the laws, and they have to make the changes.

I elected someone who has done great things since he took office. You can do a search and find out all of his accomplishments. As I have said before, I don't agree with everything he as done, but I also understand that I can not expect that anyone would be able to do that, you know do everything for "everybody" in his first year in office. It's kind of hard to set his agenda on mine, or yours, or anyones.

I still want "facts", is that asking to much? Let there be an investigation, let the chips fall where they fall, and then after the "facts" come out, I will judge the man I voted for, but not till I know for sure what the facts are.

You can do as you please, it's your choice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I elected not a leader

We know clapper perjured himself before Cngress.


And I said you reminded me of them, because it was the same tactic, not that you are one.

Reading comp.

And you should worry how many in the coalition, back in the real world, will stay home in 2014 not to mention 2016.


Have a good day.

[Andy823]

27. Interesting

You know I see the same tactics here as I have from right wingers, how would you take a comment where I say you remind me of them? It really doesn't take much to read between the lines, does it.

[avaistheone1]

19. Bravo

[treestar]

34. "I" elected a President?

[Whisp]

43. I noticed that too.

I wish I were that important.

[tularetom]

4. Benghazigate and IRSgate are bullshit made up republican scandalmongering

NSAgate, not so much. The president has more or less confirmed that Snowden's allegations are at least partially factual.

I don't hear very much about Benghazi or IRS these days, and I think even the gullible liberal media has caught onto the fact that there is no there there. Very few Americans care about these fake scandals.

But there are a lot of Americans who are pissed off that the government may be eavesdropping on their phone conversations, emails and texts. It isn't a fake scandal dreamt up by republicans, it's real and it doesn't look like it's going away. And you cannot blame it on congress, it is contained entirely within the executive branch.

If Obama were eligible for a third term I'd have to think seriously about whether or not I wanted to vote for him. And I'm already thinking hard about whether or not I would vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016, should she run.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. For me this is like Mexico

We get designated successors. I intend not to vote for the top of the ticket, or write in who I believe in, or vote my conscience. The PRI will not miss my vote. It makes no difference.

I guess I am way ahead of you.

In the 2014 primary I will vote for the progressive. I know neither announced candidates are. In the general, I will leave it blank.

[Andy823]

10. I just want all the facts

Before I jump to conclusions. These things take time to sort out, and like you if there has been abuse of the system, I want to see that fixed, but in reality it's congress that will have to fix things, the president can't change the laws. If I knew the government was easy dropping on my phone calls, I too would be pissed, but in all reality I really doubt if I am being wiretapped. Actually I would be more apt to believe being on the internet is a lot worse, and they can find out a lot more about a person from say being on discussion boards, but then again that doesn't seem to be bothering many people.

As for congress they are the ones giving the power to do these things to the NSA, the pass the laws, Patriot Act, that allow these things to be legal. As I said already only congress can put an end to this, they make the laws, and they can change the laws. They can also pass legislation for tougher oversight to prevent any abuse.

Yes it's real and it's been going on for ages. Every major country in the world is doing it. Don't get me wrong, that does not make it right, but it is happening and everybody knows it's happening.

It's your choice what you do with your vote.

[Fumesucker]

21. The point of this whole thing is that the "facts" aren't supposed to "come out"

That's what the Top Secret classification is all about, keeping the facts away from the American people because as you admitted all the other governments already know.

It will take vast pressure to force the "facts" out, we have already had multiple examples of officials perjuring themselves before Congress so the prognosis is not for more openness.

[Andy823]

41. So in that case

how do we know that the information coming from Snowden are real if there are no "facts" to back him up? Is this just another he said, they said with nothing at all to prove who is right? If that is true then I guess we all just have to make a choice between someone like president Obama and someone we all never heard of before a couple of weeks ago. I keep hearing Snowden has "facts" to back him up, but so far I have not seen those facts that would show what he is saying is true, or that what he is saying is nothing more that what we have all known for decades, all the big players in world politics are spying on each other!

[Fumesucker]

42. If all he was releasing was BS then he would not be so roundly castigated by the powers that be

You have everyone from Obama to Cheney condemning the man.

If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one that got hit does the yelping.

[treestar]

35. I don't think there are many people who think the government is listening to their phone calls

Reporters can claim that, but there would be no point in the government doing that, as the reporter is going to make it all public anyway.

It's silly - who has seen anything happen that would indicate they were eavesdropped on.

When you think this through, it's ridiculous.

The worst abuses would be perpetrated against Muslims, heck, people said the administration should have tapped Tamerlan. But Muslims simply trying to practice their religion could end up being listened to in those efforts. Any one active in Muslim based religious activities could have that happen to them. Yet the media has not come up with any complaints from that quarter.

[Cha]

7. thanks for making this an OP in GD, Andy..

I suppose I should post the "picture" that you're refering to in your post.



http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/22/obama-liberals-buying-medias-false-equivalency-bush.html

Thankfully they're are a lot of people who don't buy into the corpmedia scamdals du jour..

"The remarkable consistency of President Obama’s job approval numbers"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1102&pid=11168

[Andy823]

9. Thanks for the picture

It helps.

[Major Hogwash]

14. Great picture for a great thread!!

I like the one where President Obama got the donuts, too.

[Cha]

18. I had to think about that one.. Oh

yeah.. so

[sheshe2]

8. K&R!

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thank you Andy!

[flamingdem]

13. +++

[ucrdem]

15. K to the R

Yes, and many of us said so when the purloined Verizon subpoena first made the rounds, but did anyone listen to us? Well yeah!



But the ignorers pressed on with their internet horrors, piling Greenwald tweet upon Guardian "comment" until voila, the perfect scandal was born! Only to vanish into nothingness a few days later.



But soon enough a new nut-rage will promise to reveal the true nature of the Kenyan despot. So stay tuned!

[treestar]

36. Yep. They openly complain

when Prosense posts lists of good accomplishments. They just don't want to hear it!

And there will be a new one, you betcha! How long since they mentioned the chained CPI?

[HiPointDem]

16. democrats were already in deep trouble even before this latest came out, and that's because

4 years after the recession officially ended unemployment is still at about 8%, wages are falling, and people are selling off their assets to survive.

the social safety net is still under attack, cities are still going bankrupt, and basically things pretty much suck for the bottom 80%.

[RobertEarl]

17. Just want to say

Obama threw us under the bus
and after getting run over, we decided to not play.

You should be very concerned about how many people are walking away.
This should be your chief concern: Why are they walking?

[cali]

20. codswallop. bullpucky.

It's about massive national security surveillance. Nothing made up about it. It's been metastasizing for decades. It's about what kind of authoritarian country we're turning into.

You want to make it into a purely partisan thing.

It is not.

[Andy823]

22. Well I disagree

The facts are still not in, so pardon my view that until then it is all about politics, another in the line of BS scandals coming from the right wing tea publicans. If the facts show me wrong, then I will admit that. Will you admit you were wrong if the facts don't support your claims?

Do you admit their are trolls on this board who are keeping things stirred up? Will you admit that this benefits the Rand Paul teabagger camp? Does it not make you wonder just how one after another "perfect storms" have come together all of which are doing their best to tarnish the president, his administration and the party? And most of all will you actually be able to say you are wrong if the facts show that you are?

Everyday something else happens that shows me that Mr. Snowdon is not the hero you and so many others here are making him into. I am sorry if I can't believe the things you do. I am sorry that I am willing to get ALL the facts before accepting the claims being made by Mr. Snowdon.

We all have the right to our own opinion, but if there are serious problems with NSA programs it's congress you should be laying the blame on. They passed the Patriot Act, and they keep on passing it while adding more things to it. We do need an investigation, and we need oversight. Only congress can change the laws, put in oversight, and make sure things change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Who keeps signing them?

And asking ft things like NDAA detainment? No it is not just Congress.

You keep telling yourself at while whistling past the grave yard.

Facts, you would not know them if they jumped in front of you.

So far we have been fled trolls, racist enemies, on ms on...hippie punching at it's best.

Numeyer wrote a great book about authoritarian personalities. Nope, it's not about party. A great indicator is electing leaders and trusting them. Check.

[Andy823]

25. Ah, but you know the facts?

What facts do you present to back your claims? What do we know now that we did not know before? That the US is spying on China, Russia, Iran etc.? Do you know that they also spy on us? Just curious.

As for name calling, well I think that has worked both ways, don't you? I have never called anyone the things you mention, but I have been called a lot of things, even by you if I am not mistaken. I think the name calling is wrong, no matter who does it. Now to be honest I have made the comment that a lot of new posters on the board seem to be stirring things up, and that it seems that they get support as long as they are in the anti Obama mentality.

Yes the president signs the bills, even though there are things in them we may not like. Do I agree with all of what he does? Nope, but I also would not like to see nothing at all get done either. If the president played the same game as republicans, no middle ground, where would we be today? Sometimes getting some things we want is better than getting nothing at all.

I will be waiting to see a list of "facts" that back all of your complaints about the things you say about the president.

[G_j]

29. what part of Clapper lying to Congress is unclear? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. You know, I don't expect this to happen

as in a mutual ignore, but I am wasting my time.

So good bye, you continue to defend the indefensible.

I WISH they had that option back in 2003 when Bush was pushing for war, and other folks decided to put party before country. I have precious little patience for that any more.

As to playing the same principle... this national security state started with Truman.

Have a good day.

good bye

Oh and yes, Clapper and the head of the FBI lied to congress. That is aparently well, unclear.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

26. Given that the right stands four square with Obama in regards to spying on people

I'm wondering what proof you can offer to back up your grand accusation.

[Harmony Blue]

28. Good post

that sums up my position as well.

[Andy823]

30. Let me see now

How many "scandals" have come to be in the last few months? How many of them have been proven to be the "down fall" of our president? How many have, since the facts came out, been proven to me just more right wing BS?

There was a poll here a week or so ago where the question was who do you support more, president Obama or Rand Pau. Last time I read that thread 13 people had voted for Rand Paul. When you see post after post from new members who never once say anything good about the president, but their vast majority of post, if no all their post, so far are all negative about the president?

Let me ask you, do you really think the right wing teapublicans are not behind all the smears going on lately? Do you think there are no benefits for Rand Paul with the Snowden issue? Do you think there are no right wing trouble makers coming here to try and divide people on this board?

All the BS coming from the right helps keep the spotlight on the "negatives" of the president and democrats, keeping the spotlight off of them, their internal civil war with the teabaggers and the fact they are doing nothing at all to help this country move forward,wouldn't you agree?

It's not rocket science, it's all there if you look for the truth.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

32. Of course the right is behind many smears, but not with regard to spying

I asked you to provide some sort of documentation that Obama's spy program being uncovered is the result of right wing machinations. i already knew you wouldn't be able to answer the question before i asked it. You're on Dick Cheney's side with this one, and I'm not. Simple as that.

[MNBrewer]

31. Yes, the smear campaign against Snowden and Greenwald IS a right wing smear campaign

[BumRushDaShow]

37. K&R

[DirkGently]

38. What is the ACLU'S "rightwing smear" motivation?

I hope people start paying attention, too. Maybe not the same people you're thinking about.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-constitutionality-nsa-phone-spying-program

"This dragnet program is surely one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government against its own citizens," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. "It is the equivalent of requiring every American to file a daily report with the government of every location they visited, every person they talked to on the phone, the time of each call, and the length of every conversation. The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy."

The ACLU is a customer of Verizon Business Network Services, which was the recipient of a secret FISA Court order published by The Guardian last week. The order required the company to "turn over on 'an ongoing daily basis' phone call details" such as who calls are placed to and from, and when those calls are made. The lawsuit argues that the government's blanket seizure of and ability to search the ACLU's phone records compromises sensitive information about its work, undermining the organization's ability to engage in legitimate communications with clients, journalists, advocacy partners, and others.

"The crux of the government's justification for the program is the chilling logic that it can collect everyone's data now and ask questions later," said Alex Abdo, a staff attorney for the ACLU's National Security Project. "The Constitution does not permit the suspicionless surveillance of every person in the country."