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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:14 AM Jun 2013

Can Democrats Win Back the Deep South?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/can-democrats-win-back-the-deep-south/277123/


A volunteer for President Obama's 2012 campaign in Wilson, North Carolina. (Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)

A few weeks ago, municipal elections were held in Mississippi. The state Republican Party concentrated its efforts on four traditional GOP strongholds -- Tupelo, Meridian, Starkville, and the picturesque Gulf Coast burg of Ocean Springs.

But on Election Day, June 4, Mississippi Republicans got a rude shock: They lost all four.

Tupelo got its first Democratic mayor in nearly 30 years, a 37-year-old trial lawyer. Meridian got its first black mayor ever. Ocean Springs' Democratic incumbent won a third term to preside over an all-Republican board of aldermen. Mississippi Democrats proclaimed it "Blue Tuesday."

"It's been a long time coming," Percy Bland, the 42-year-old mayor-elect of Meridian, told me. "We haven't had a Democratic mayor in Meridian since '76. And we won it running away, when people thought it would be very close." To win 54 percent of the vote, he said, he had to attract support from blacks and whites, Democrats, Republicans, and independents. In April, Bland had found a stuffed dog hanging from a noose outside his insurance business. In his victory speech, he paid tribute to the three civil-rights workers murdered by the Ku Klux Klan in nearby Philadelphia in 1961. They died, he said, so the people of Meridian could vote.


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Can Democrats Win Back the Deep South? (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2013 OP
The moment that Democrats get RESULTS, we win back the entire country MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #1
yes -- and running camouflaged blue dogs won't help. xchrom Jun 2013 #2
yep. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #3
+1 "Not the Republican" just doesn't flip my flapjacks. Scuba Jun 2013 #5
Yep. if they would commit to defying Hate Radio and Fox "News" Doctor_J Jun 2013 #6
True, though they have no reason to move in that direction Chathamization Jun 2013 #18
This, this, this Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #22
Ha Ha HA Agony Jun 2013 #26
The Great Remigration Makes it Almost Inevitable, combined with Hispanic influx carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #4
As others have said in this thread...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #7
You're missing half of Huey P. Long's appeal: populsim for whites only (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #15
Not really. Huey wasn't a saint by any means..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #24
And he opposed FDR after 1932. Good luck selling that here (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #28
Extremely doubtful PDittie Jun 2013 #8
DINO's for sure can. Can progressives? I doubt it. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #9
Brand vs content. Mass Jun 2013 #10
I'm not sure Democrats can win anywhere. They're alienating voters everywhere. Scuba Jun 2013 #11
Becasue they act like Repugs bahrbearian Jun 2013 #17
Sometimes I think they are Repugs. Scuba Jun 2013 #19
Unlikely at best. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #12
The GA info is interesting. It could be a swing state in 2016 which effectively hobbles the GOP LonePirate Jun 2013 #13
is it changing fast in the right direction carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #21
Huh? Starkville is one of the bluest towns in the state Recursion Jun 2013 #14
We need Deans 50 state strategy back bahrbearian Jun 2013 #16
We still fund all state parties Recursion Jun 2013 #29
With all the gerrymandering and racism here in Texas.. ananda Jun 2013 #20
of course we can win back the south backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #23
Can Democrats win back the most northern of the Southern States? kentuck Jun 2013 #25
Clinton did well in KY,WV,TN carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #30
Hillary will win 500 plus electoral votes in 2016, and her coattails will make a revolution graham4anything Jun 2013 #27
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. The moment that Democrats get RESULTS, we win back the entire country
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jun 2013

For some reason, "We suck less, assholes" resonates less than "See? We got into office and your lives got better."

Weird.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. yes -- and running camouflaged blue dogs won't help.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:19 AM
Jun 2013

progressive idea -- communicated with a resonate populist platform will.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. Yep. if they would commit to defying Hate Radio and Fox "News"
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jun 2013

instead of pandering to them, things would change immediately.

I see almost no hope of this happening. Civil War II is more likely than Grayson/Sanders Dems taking the party back from Reid and Obama

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
18. True, though they have no reason to move in that direction
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jun 2013

until they are pushed to do so. The party isn't going to move on it's own.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
4. The Great Remigration Makes it Almost Inevitable, combined with Hispanic influx
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jun 2013

Just posted this link yesterday in another thread, and the migration patterns into Georgia, the Carolinas, Virginia, and Florida look very promising for Democrats. I felt hopeless about Mississippi until reading this Atlantic article, thanks for posting.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
7. As others have said in this thread......
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jun 2013

Yes, but it will take a return to the left populist stances that Democrats held and actually campaigned on during the 30s to win widespread races in the Deep South. Think an updated Huey Long type of populism. A cap on top end wealth and redistributing that downwards to everybody else.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
24. Not really. Huey wasn't a saint by any means.....
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013

and the 30s in the south was a highly racist decade, but Huey actually used the racism inherent in the system to raise living standards for ALL of the citizens of Louisiana including the black citizenry.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
8. Extremely doubtful
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

for a generation or two. But Texas CAN be won much sooner, and when that happens, the South -- and with it, the GOP -- are immediately irrelevant. I would think this scenario is particularly important to accomplish if the SCOTUS strikes down the VRA.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
10. Brand vs content.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jun 2013

Sadly, it seems the Democratic Party is ready to accept anybody who wants to come in, whatever they stand for.

So, yes, the Democratic Party can win the Deep South back. The question is: "What Democratic Party?".

I am not saying a true Democrat could not win. I am just concerned that the natural inclination will be to run former Republicans who change party because the GOP has move too far to the right or because it is not that popular.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
13. The GA info is interesting. It could be a swing state in 2016 which effectively hobbles the GOP
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

Making the Repubs campaign in GA instead of other places like MI, OH, PA, or WI would itself be a win. As soon as GA or TX becomes reliably purple, the Repubs have no clear path to victory whatsoever.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
21. is it changing fast in the right direction
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jun 2013

the demographics look extremely encouraging with the trend irreversible

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Huh? Starkville is one of the bluest towns in the state
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jun 2013

I question some of that background reporting. The mayor's an old high school friend of mine and to my knowledge never really faced a serious challenge from what's-his-name.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. We still fund all state parties
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jun 2013

That's the 50 state strategy. I'm not sure what people think that phrase means.

Also, when it works, it winds up electing the blue dogs that its proponents then complain about loudly.

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
23. of course we can win back the south
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jun 2013

we just have to show that we are the party of the common man...something we have been woefully bad at lately.

If we had listened to Howard Dean in 2008 with his common sense politics and his vision we wouldn't be in this mess.
I wish I could go back to 2008 and vote for Dean

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
25. Can Democrats win back the most northern of the Southern States?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

IN, KY, WV, MO, and VA? That will be the turning point for our Party when that happens. VA and MO have slipped somewhat to the Democrats but there is a long way to go in the other states.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
30. Clinton did well in KY,WV,TN
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jun 2013

Scroll through the maps in reverse time and you can see how recently KY, WV, and TN went for Clinton twice-- and how many southern states Carter carried in 1976.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
27. Hillary will win 500 plus electoral votes in 2016, and her coattails will make a revolution
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

and it shall be an 80-20 legislative passage from that point forward

building today moving forward to a new tomorrow

Which is why the those against the President are doing all they can to attempt to prolong the enevitable debate, but its also why 95% of the democratic party just doesn't care about the petty issues smears dejour.

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