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undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:49 PM Jun 2013

You think Hippa will safeguard your personal info from the NSA?

The links won't work that link to the page.

Hippa will NOT protect you.


First link fail,

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/faq/disclosures_for_law_enforcement_purposes/505.html

I took out the 505 and it still won't link
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/faq/disclosures_for_law_enforcement_purposes.html

They disabled linking directly to this particular Hippa page WTF.

so I copied and pasted the actual exception to the rule here.
Quoted from the Hippa site...

For certain other specialized governmental law enforcement purposes, such as:

To federal officials authorized to conduct intelligence, counter-intelligence, and other national security activities under the National Security Act (45 CFR 164.512(k)(2)) or to provide protective services to the President and others and conduct related investigations (45 CFR 164.512(k)(3));


Go to govt.sites for DHHS than go to hippa pages
you'll have to search for the quote in law enforcement section.First they'll they say stuff about
crime domestic abuse etc.than at the bottom you will see it


Hippa says none of our medical or psych records are safe from the NSA .They can read your psychiatrists notes.UGH.

And with the law going after domestic violence VICTIMS this bothers me.
FUCK!!!!

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You think Hippa will safeguard your personal info from the NSA? (Original Post) undergroundpanther Jun 2013 OP
Valid concern... but pssst.... it is HIPAA, not HIPPA hlthe2b Jun 2013 #1
sry,my mispell undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #4
holy crap, Undergroundpanther! FirstLight Jun 2013 #2
don't stop undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #5
;) FirstLight Jun 2013 #18
found one FirstLight Jun 2013 #20
All the reasons they can acess our information.....basically covers every damn reason. Gin Jun 2013 #3
If you visit the." nsa Utah data center- serving our nation's intelligence community " ..Googled.. nenagh Jun 2013 #6
I went to your link and copied it undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #10
"your data is never accessed or viewed by anyone within the US Government unless snot Jun 2013 #28
Sorry undergroundpanther... But thanks very much for the explanation... nenagh Jun 2013 #29
Going out on a limb, but why does the NSA care about your medical records? NightWatcher Jun 2013 #7
Ok I'm gonna tell you some stuff off the top of my head undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #8
I get it but why would they care about YOU. Not the "you" in general NightWatcher Jun 2013 #9
Let me ask you a question Aerows Jun 2013 #14
Yes they have bigger fish undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #19
DING!DING! FirstLight Jun 2013 #25
Many Rx's are faxed or phoned to pharmacies. If that data is scooped up, nenagh Jun 2013 #31
Pehaps because they care about WHO I know. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #33
The same reason they care about your phone records. Aerows Jun 2013 #12
I just love how people are shocked, like this is new NightWatcher Jun 2013 #15
Outrage at privacy violations? Aerows Jun 2013 #17
Hippos might if we deployed them en masse Aerows Jun 2013 #11
How are they supposed to continue throwing medical marijuana patients in prison Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #13
alot of people with ptsd undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #24
It is completely irrelevant data they are collecting Aerows Jun 2013 #16
I thought it was a stupid argument too. undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #21
Some people don't want to know Aerows Jun 2013 #22
The ostriches among us piss me off undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #23
I'm with you Aerows Jun 2013 #27
If they think my medical records should be viewed, they can start with video of recent colonoscopy. Hoyt Jun 2013 #26
rofl, i gotta say this one is funny loli phabay Jun 2013 #30
K&R nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #32

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
4. sry,my mispell
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:30 PM
Jun 2013

besides my keyboard has been weird cursor randomly jumps and wrong letters and sometimes it stops writing until I move the cursor.In other words typing is difficult.

FirstLight

(13,357 posts)
2. holy crap, Undergroundpanther!
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jun 2013

I thought that my little HIPPAA comment was just me blowing smoke out my own ass, being paranoid or some such nonsense...thought someone would come back and tell me I was stupid and it wasn't true...

Now you are telling me you actually looked and lo and behold: it's for REAL?

ya, I am a domestic violence survivor as well...plus I have an autoimmune disorder and a plethora of other stuff I could see someone using against me too. I feel you.

What we know is that this spying on citizens stuff goes deeper than any of us are really willing to admit. Between our swiping debit cards at the store, posting online, gas stations we frequent, our friends, our conversations... it's like 1984, but worse...because the ILLUSION of freedom is still there. In books like 1984 the people feel the oppression and have that dread of knowing they are under that control all the time... but in our world, we THINK we are just humming happily along, but we are far from free.
*gulp* I'd better stop even speaking/writing like this, seriously

Gin

(7,212 posts)
3. All the reasons they can acess our information.....basically covers every damn reason.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jun 2013

In other words....when they want to.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
6. If you visit the." nsa Utah data center- serving our nation's intelligence community " ..Googled..
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jun 2013

They have a chart of what intelligence is gathered..it includes medical information.

Look through the site..and Edward Snowden's PRISM docs are now online..

I saved the chart to my iPad photos..and would put the chart here..if I had the tech skill..

The link starts nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/.


undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
10. I went to your link and copied it
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jun 2013

Your Data: If You Have Nothing to Hide, You Have Nothing to Fear

Our value is founded on a unique and deep understanding of risks, vulnerabilities, mitigations, and threats. Domestic Surveillance plays a vital role in our national security by maintaining a total information awareness of all domestic activities by using advanced data mining systems to "connect the dots" to identify suspicious patterns.

Why We Collect Your Data

Under the authority of Homeland Security Presidential Directive 6, which defines the integration and use of screening information to protect against terrorism, the NSA is authorized to collect and disseminate information about suspected foreign and domestic terrorists. In the past, this meant gathering information AFTER a target had been identified. This often led to missed intelligence and lost opportunities.

But what if we could collect the information in advance, before the target was known? What if the mere act of collecting information could result in the identification of new targets? What if we could build a national data warehouse containing all available information about every person in the United States? Under the authority of the classified Homeland Security Directive 15 (U.S. Strategy and Policy in the War on Terror), we can.

NSA Utah Data Center - Data warehouse diagram

What Data We Collect

Every day, people leave a digital trail of electronic breadcrumbs as they go about their daily routine. They go to work using electronic fare cards; drive through intersections with traffic cameras; walk down the street past security cameras; surf the internet; pay for purchases with credit/debit cards; text or call their friends; and on and on.

There is no way to predict in advance which crucial piece of data will be the key to revealing a potential plot. The standard operating procedure for the Domestic Surveillance Directorate is to "collect all available information from all available sources all the time, every time, always".

For security reasons, it is unrealistic to expect a complete list of information we collect for our national citizen database. In the spirit of openness and transparency however, here is a partial list:

internet searches
websites visited
emails sent and received
social media activity (Facebook, Twitter, etc)
blogging activity including posts read, written, and commented on - View our patent
videos watched and/or uploaded online
photos viewed and/or uploaded online
music downloads
mobile phone GPS-location data
mobile phone apps downloaded
phone call records - View our patent
text messages sent and received
online purchases and auction transactions
bookstore receipts
credit card/ debit card transactions
bank statements
cable television shows watched and recorded
commuter toll records
parking receipts
electronic bus and subway passes / Smartpasses
travel itineraries
border crossings
surveillance cameras
medical information including diagnoses and treatments
prescription drug purchases
guns and ammunition sales
educational records
arrest records
driver license information


How We Collect Your Data

For information on how we collect your data, including our PRISM program, visit Our Surveillance Strategy page on this website. For information about our new state-of-the-art Surveillance Data Center, visit our Utah Data Center information page.

us constitution and flag

How We Use Your Data

We treasure the U.S. Constitution and the rights it secures for all the people. In a world in which privacy has become illusory in so many areas of our lives, the Domestic Surveillance Directorate maintains the highest standards of integrity and lawful action. Your private data is safely secured using our custom database software called Cloudbase, which has fine-grained security to control access down to the cell level.

Threat Matrix Processing

Incoming transactional data is analyzed against a continually evolving threat matrix and is assigned an action code. The vast majority of these transactions are routed directly to a permanent static storage state. In fact, for most Americans, your data is never accessed or viewed by anyone within the US Government unless some future event triggers an inquiry. We work closely with our partners in the Intelligence Community to ensure that your stored data is released only as a result of a "national security" request.

Continuity of Government

Our strong commitment to keeping the Nation safe includes an important role in maintaining the Continuity of Government. Since the early 1980s, the federal government has used its secret Main Core database to track dissidents and watchlisted Americans in the event of a national emergency. The roots of the Domestic Surveillance Directorate can, in fact, be traced back to the early days of this program. We are proud to continue this tradition by sharing our data with the modern-day COG program. Learn more about this.


IARPA banner -Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity

Future Uses of Domestic Intelligence Data

In 2006, the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA) was created to invest in high-risk, high-payoff classified programs uniquely designed to provide research and technical capabilities for the Intelligence Community. IARPA-funded researchers are currently studying novel ways of processing and analyzing the explosive growth of domestic data.

The Aladdin program seeks to extract intelligence information from the high volume of videos uploaded to the internet.
The Babel program is developing agile and robust speech recognition technology that can provide effective search capability for analysts to efficiently process massive amounts of real-world recorded speech.
The Knowledge Discovery and Dissemination (KDD) program will develop advanced analytic algorithms that can effectively draw inferences across multiple databases to allow the Intelligence Community to create virtual fusion centers enabling analysts to produce actionable intelligence.
The Socio-cultural Content in Language (SCIL) Program will develop novel algorithms, techniques and technologies to uncover the social actions and characteristics of members of a group (ie; within discussion forums, online comment sections, social media, etc.) by examining the language used in relation to acceptable social and cultural norms.
The Reynard Program starts from the premise that "real world" characteristics are reflected in "virtual world" behavior. The program seeks to identify behavioral indicators in online virtual worlds and "massively multiplayer online games" that are related to the real world characteristics of the users. Attributes of interest include gender, age, economic status, educational level, occupation, ideology or "world view", and physical geographic location.


It says this is a parody site..BTW.. You gotta be careful on your sources.

snot

(10,515 posts)
28. "your data is never accessed or viewed by anyone within the US Government unless
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jun 2013

. . . some future event triggers an inquiry."

Some future event, like you complain about the water quality: "Official: Water complaints could be 'act of terrorism'" http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023076545

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
29. Sorry undergroundpanther... But thanks very much for the explanation...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jun 2013

What I originally saw was the (false) flow chart stating data source of medical information..

Because I am I the medical field, in Canada, I found the medical reference very disturbing...

and didn't check further into the site...

Many prescriptions are faxed and phoned was as far as my thinking had progressed.

It's not then necessary to hack into physicians records if one can lift Rx data from phone lines.

Thank you for being thorough, it very much relieves my mind.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. Going out on a limb, but why does the NSA care about your medical records?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jun 2013

The NSA monitors signals intelligence for the intel community. Are you a threat to the country? Why do you think they're looking at you...or any of us for that matter?

You're going to be ok.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
8. Ok I'm gonna tell you some stuff off the top of my head
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jun 2013

#1 to tell what your weaknesses are to exploit them be they physical or mental.

#2 to find out what meds you need to withdraw access to it to get you to comply or shut up. or to market shit to you,or for pharmacuetical companies to use you to test shit if you should be unconsious in an er.

#3 to know what your psychology is,your mental state ect,to know iif you might be a problem in the future by your personality.and to know your habits.
If they can access your psychiatric history they can find out alot of personal stuff from that including your personality and issues ,like life situation,relationships,streesors any addictions,political stance how much of a hothead you are what buttons to push to get your compliance etc.

And since Bush has general practitioner doctors diagnosing mental illness since his 'mental health initiative,...well you can see where this leads.

I am suprised you can't imagine how your private medical info could be used to exploit you.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. I get it but why would they care about YOU. Not the "you" in general
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jun 2013

But why are you personally scared they're going to get you. Sure "they" can find info about "you", but why do they care about you specifically?

They have bigger fish to fry and don't care about you, your doctor, or any of the like.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. Let me ask you a question
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jun 2013

If the data is completely harmless and irrelevant, then why the hell are they capturing it?

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
19. Yes they have bigger fish
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

but I think the 'coincidences' are disturbing that is what I'm saying regarding myself..I don't care if they're after me or not I'd tell them all to fuck off regardless,but you got to admit it's a tad disturbing.
Actually this post is more about how confidential data is not confidential and if in the future they find my face photo among occupy,or moral march or some other protest they got a treasure trove of personal stuff to use against me.

FirstLight

(13,357 posts)
25. DING!DING!
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jun 2013
"...If in the future they find my face photo among occupy,or moral march or some other protest they got a treasure trove of personal stuff to use against me."



THAT is the shit that scares me, that is right up the alley of 1984 shit right there...and it isn't paranoia, it's REAL


fuckers, all of 'em

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
31. Many Rx's are faxed or phoned to pharmacies. If that data is scooped up,
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jun 2013

It gives a fairly accurate picture of your medical situation.

You might not want it spread around that you have herpes or any other myriad of conditions that should remain private information between you and your physician.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
33. Pehaps because they care about WHO I know.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jun 2013

Hypothetically let's say the government is interested in a rabble rouser with strange ideas about equality and fairness. Let's for the sake of argument call him Martin.

Now the government has no actual dirt on Martin, but thanks to total information awareness the govt. knows where he has his morning coffee, where he takes lunch, his preferred bookshop, what bus he catches to work, etc. Every tiny and seemingly pointless detail of his movement through day to day life.

However, his barista has gambling debts, his favourite waitress is sleeping with her boss's husband, the kid in the bookshop collects child porn, and his bus driver goes to cock-fights on the weekend. Right there are four people who can be blackmailed into reporting anything they see Martin doing, or hear him say. And the kid in the bookshop has the gold. He's the one who's heard the story of Martin's chronically ill second cousin Suzy.

Now over the next few weeks everything which can possibly go wrong for Suzy goes wrong: Her records are lost; Her insurance terminated, reinstated and terminated again; Her primary care physician is put under investigation for Medicare fraud; things got wrong and just keep on going wronger.

And then there is a knock on the door, and the following day Martin announces he is getting out of politics, and instead of a dead martyr for the cause to rally around, there is a very visible "Uncle Tom" telling black people how wonderful it is that white people condescend to condescend to them.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
12. The same reason they care about your phone records.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sure it doesn't bother you and you have nothing to hide, but some of us like privacy.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. I just love how people are shocked, like this is new
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:05 PM
Jun 2013

If you didn't know that calls can be monitored or meta data captured, you must not have been paying attention to things going back to the 90's and post 9/11 days especially.

New outrage at a 20 year old story just seems silly.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. Outrage at privacy violations?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jun 2013

That's new to you? Honey that has existed for several thousand years. It won't go away with a blowing of the wind regardless of what you think you can PR away.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
13. How are they supposed to continue throwing medical marijuana patients in prison
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

if they can't peek into health records?

Sure, I suppose you'd just LET the dangerous wheelchair-bound cancer patients do their terroristic pot smoking, without being hauled off to prison to do those mandatory minimum sentences for pot possession.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
24. alot of people with ptsd
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jun 2013

use medical pot. I don't use it..but what if a bunch of lazy but hyper prosecuting quota to fill ,cops looking to get ptsd people,using pot off the street especially the ones on disabiliy or food stamps ,would see a flag, on my info. I'm disabled have ptsd and I could be hassled about it.Or observed. It's conceivable.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. It is completely irrelevant data they are collecting
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

That's why they are collecting it - because it is irrelevant.

That has to be the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
21. I thought it was a stupid argument too.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jun 2013

I can't believe she can't figure out how private medical data could be used to fuck someone over.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
23. The ostriches among us piss me off
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jun 2013

as do the ever faithful who believe all is ok even when the facts are saying it's NOT ok. like obama cannot be part of this etc.

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