You bet I'd run like Snowden!

[Are_grits_groceries]

I would run so that I could get my story out. After the first peep, I would be locked up so tight that getting anything out would be impossible.

Oh, I'm sure grabbing someone like that would be "legal" with all the Secret Squirrel laws passed.

AND after watching how Bradley Manning has been treated, I'd be gone anyway. Hopefully, I would create such a brouhaha that I couldn't be locked away like that without an uproar.

Whatever you think of him, he deserves a fair trial or is that optional too?

[redgreenandblue]

1. Really. The "why did he run" crowd ultimately just want him in jail.

It is obvious that Bradley Manning is the model of what would happen to Snowden.

[backscatter712]

15. Some of the ones I plonked approve of the way Manning's been treated.

We have a loud group of "Democrats" with very authoritarian views, who literally cheerlead for cruelty and injustice.

Some of these fucks showed zero sympathy when Aaron Schwartz committed suicide.

It's fucking vile. I'll say it again. Their desperation to smear Snowden's character exposed their own: in a state of advanced moral decomposition that creates a stench you can smell from the next time zone.

Between the character assassination, the total willingness to piss our American freedoms away (what Ben Franklin warned about) and now impugning DUers by saying that anyone supporting Snowden is a racist or a teabagger, these kinds of people have repeatedly demonstrated they're the low-life slime that I'd degrade myself by associating with.

[chimpymustgo]

19. Manning...Schwartz to name a couple of victims of Soviet America. Run, Snowden, run to safety!

[sibelian]

2. They remind me of Elmer Fudd.

"Stand still and fight, you wascally wabbit!!!"

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. Now that he has had his citizenship taken away

I am more worried about him getting a drone trial.
Everyone is commenting on how damn fast the State Dept. made him a non-citizen, a process they and the UK use to set people up for droning outside of the country.

Assange and Manning are perfect examples of 2 different post whistlblower game plans.
Look at all the effort the USA took to try to influence what happened to Assange.

[SamKnause]

4. Snowden

I was aware that his passport was revoked.

I am not aware of his citizenship being taken away.

Do you have a source ?

Thank you in advance.

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. ya know, I may have been hornswoggled...

I distincltly remember reading about it in the Breaking News feed couple days ago
and now that you mention it, tis possible what I read was referrring to passport.
But that conflicts with my usually very reliable eidetic memory.


thank you for the nudge to check to this out.

[SamKnause]

24. Snowden

Not a problem.

I think we are all guilty of that from time to time.

I try to keep my hornswoggling incidents to a minimum.

[KansDem]

8. "Drone trial"

I wondered the same thing.

He may be on the run and looking back over his shoulder, but I imagine he's looking up in the sky at the same time.

If this country can kill innocent 16-year-olds...

[ashling]

12. He had his passport revoked which can be done by the State Dept.

because they issue it based upon their rules and regs.

Citizenship is a Constitutional matter and they can't just arbitrarily ... oh yeah, never mind ...

anyway, my point is that citizenship doesn't seem to be a problem
when it comes to drones.

[dixiegrrrrl]

16. yeah, I got the 2 confused.

but...
UK and USA HAVE taken away citizenship of people they later droned.
That is why they are so careful to parse their sentences and deny extra-judicial killing of any American "citizens"

[chimpymustgo]

22. Thanks for clearing that up - but your points are quite valid! Be safe, Edward!

[Floyd_Gondolli]

33. Well if that is the case

I hope they shoot straight.

[HardTimes99]

35. Are you advocating Snowden's extra-judicial execution?

[Catherina]

5. Boarding Begins for Cuba-Bound Jet

Of course no one has any guarantees he's going to board that jet. Snowden disappeared in the big black hole of the Moscow airport and this could all be a distraction. But this is the flight he's reported to be on.

“We have nothing to do with this story,” said Dmitri S. Peskov, a spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin. “I am not in charge of tickets. I don’t approve or disapprove plane tickets. We’re not the proper people to address this question to.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/world/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-leak.html?pagewanted=3&smid=tw-nytimes&partner=rss&emc=rss

Now the US is instructing (instructing lol!) the same Latin America countries it's pissed on for decades not to harbor Edward Snowden or aid his travel. They're instructed to detain him and turn him over to US authorities. You can't make this shit up.

Edit: LMAO!

Miriam Elder @MiriamElder

Boarding is over. Aeroflot agent says Snowden not on plane.
4:15 AM - 24 Jun 2013

max seddon @maxseddon

Standing next to Edward Snowden's seat on flight to Cuba. He ain't here. pic.twitter.com/NVRH3Pzved

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. Makes sense he is not on board

it would be wise to leave a false trail.
Just in case anyone would want to hurt him in any way.

[Catherina]

23. And you know they will

He dealt a very strong blow to the empire. It's going to be harder to conduct our industrial espionage right now to give US companies/research an unfair advantage. And much harder to blackmail foreign diplomats. Much harder to identify students around the world whose naivete can be manipulated to cause more "Springs". What he did was huge.

[RKP5637]

29. Definitely. Why are people so damn slow to get what's going on is beyond me. It's

a smoke screen, always was. None would follow a trail MSM has broadcast to the entire universe.

[Hissyspit]

18. @ezraklein: “How are you feeling, journalist who got on Aeroflot 150 from Moscow to Havana?”

@ezraklein: “How are you feeling, journalist who got on Aeroflot 150 from Moscow to Havana?” “NOT GREAT BOB!”

[Catherina]

20. Lol! Or better yet Lulz! n/t

[Are_grits_groceries]

25. I don't know why everyone's so upset.

@jbarro: I don't know why everyone's so upset. I've taken literally hundreds of flights without Edward Snowden on them and I never complained.

Ha!

[rpannier]

6. Jose Padilla

on edit

Even the CATO institute was outraged at Padilla's treatment and Padilla was a US citizen

[michigandem58]

7. I suppose if I were a criminal, I would as well

But that's not me.

[Are_grits_groceries]

9. You wouldn't be just "a criminal".

Read up on Bradley Manning and Jose Padilla and find out how they were/are treated.

[davidpdx]

11. He won't have a trial at all

Because he will be in Ecuador.

[fasttense]

14. He can NOT get a fair trial here in the US, it's impossible.

We are no longer a country of laws. We are ruled by the whims of a handful of uber rich men. And those rulers hate, hate, whistle blowers because they devalue their money. Anytime someone can NOT be bought off the value of wealth declines.

Whistle blowers are enemies to the oligarchy.

[Catherina]

21. Nope. And the ones who should be on trial never would be

so I'm yelling "Go Edward Go!". They have made a joke of democracy.

[zeemike]

27. "no longer a country of laws."

I fear that is the case....
And they will kill him if they get the chance by any means they can....a firey car crash or out and out murder...

[RKP5637]

30. Yep, an accident, car crash, heart attack from stress, road rage, self

inflicted gunshot by accident ... suicide from guilt or whatever. ... object falling from sky, the list is endless.

[RKP5637]

28. Too many still don't get what's going on in the new US. Citizens are now

pigeon holed, herded like cattle, and spied on ... yet some still don't get it ... and also just don't get the potential for major abuse in the US. They try to make it/think it's just about Obama, which is stupid. They just don't get it.

More and more the US is reminding me of the totalitarian states when I was young. I find it quite frightening and it should be of a major concern by all citizens. Even congress is clueless (more than usual) as to what's going on. Presidents/politicians come and go, but this machinery carries on. It's a very very bad recipe for the future of this country. These, are the things the US was once a champion against. How is it people don't get it? ... the brainwashing is working quite well.

In the big picture Snowden was wrong, very wrong, but in the big picture what the US is doing with all of its spying without probable cause is also wrong, very wrong. This, is what totalitarian countries do!

"Whistle blowers are enemies to the oligarchy."

[HardTimes99]

36. This is a VERY powerful post. I wish you would make it an OP of its own

and build upon its themes, especially the notion that wealth itself has a value that can decline against other stores of value like the truth.

[NoPasaran]

26. I'd avoid the problem by not flirting with treason

[mhatrw]

32. Yes, I'd do all that is necessary for evil to triumph as well.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

34. Overwrought much?

If this forum was real life, or at all relevent in any way, you might be able to win some kind of award for melodrama.

[OilemFirchen]

37. Not me.

I flaunt laws all the time, because they were all written by sweaty white oligarchs who want to see me dead.

I especially enjoy dumping my waste on the sidewalk in front of my house. Most of it is the byproduct of something I didn't need foisted on me by the Capitalist Overlords anyway. And let the entrenched government lackeys pick it up - they're going to pore over it in their cloistered chambers anyway, make 'em work for a living!

[In_The_Wind]

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