Do you find Snowden's story fishy?

[leftyladyfrommo]

Could he have been paid by a foreign power to get access to this info and then "leak" it? It's causing a whole lot of trouble for a whole lot of people.

This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me. Too orchestrated. Too damaging.

Wow. I just don't trust anyone any more. Can't tell what's real and what is an illusion.

[snooper2]

1. He's a hero in his own mind...

What did he leak that we didn't know already? Still waiting for that-


He's got millions of docs right? Where's all the top secret stuff snowy! If you are going to leak, LEAK punk, don't be a fucking tease

[leftyladyfrommo]

2. Yea. None of this was a surprise to anyone who

paid any attention for the last few years.

I just find the whole thing really puzzling. Where did this guy really come from? What was his real purpose? And now, where did he go to? Why would someone who was so big on freedom find shelter in China and Russia/

It just makes no sense to me on any level.

[arely staircase]

4. oh I think the Chinee were pleaed to learn the specific IP adresses being hacked by the US and which

hacks were still active and which had been shot down,

[KansDem]

3. Agreed...

If you are going to leak, LEAK punk, don't be a fucking tease

I want to know what really happened on 9/11. Might be why so many folks are after him. We can only wonder about those who work in the shadows...

[frylock]

7. and if he did a wholesale document dump you would be complaining..

about how reckless that would be, and how it's endangered lives. isn't that the argument against manning?

[snooper2]

8. I could really care less...I want to see what Snowboy really has

Since everything I've heard him say about the NSA "capabilities" is pretty much bullshit...

Come on low level IT dude, what you got!

[backscatter712]

9. +1!

Oh, and it wasn't Manning that did the wholesale dump.

[LittleBlue]

11. Mine too

Guess that makes at least two of us

[sibelian]

5. Which bits of his story do you think are fishy? nt

[Democracyinkind]

6. I have yet to see evidence of his "foreign involvement"

What I find highly suspicious is the level of access he claims to have had. It is either an empty boast or definitive proof that our national security apparatus is a sick money-making scheme that is not in the least interested in protecting us.

I do like that this Bush machinery is finally being discussed again. For a while there it looked like the Dems could get away with simply carrying on Bushes "national security strategy". We should have been discussing how to handle Bush's behemoth (and even its pre-Bushian parts) ever since March 2009.

[HipChick]

15. I want to see what access he actually had..sounds like he had access to a Sharepoint site to grab

documents and not much else

[Democracyinkind]

16. I'm very interested in eventually learning the details.

[HipChick]

22. Even if he had system admin access

It would be at OS level,and not at application level...

[dixiegrrrrl]

18. I have absolutely NO problem in believing

" that our national security apparatus is a sick money-making scheme that is not in the least interested in protecting us."
That has been an established fact since they put Rumsfeld's companies x-ray machines in the airports along with basically an incompetent ( but very chilling inducing) TSA.
notice that non of the non public use transport places have inspections: the ports, container ships, non-passenger jets, the thousands of small planes that use big airports, long haul trucks, trains, etc.
All of the so called 'security" business is focused on being highly visible to the public, for intimidating purposes:
TSA, and highway stop and frisk, militarized police, etc.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I will take number 2 for 100 Alex

[Faux pas]

10. Yep, waaaay before the 'media' started

questioning his motives. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022993347

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. I find the government's response far more fishy and dangerous.

[AZ Progressive]

13. So we shouldn't be having this discussion?

The discussion of surveillance on Americans, because it makes Obama look bad?

[MindPilot]

14. I find the reporting on Snowden's story even more fishy.

It is so reminiscent of the run up to the Iraq war when the CorpMedia was just throwing random different made-up shit out there until something stuck to the public.

[RobinA]

17. Don't Really Care if Snowden IS A Fish

Have his documents been shown to not be authentic? Is the gist of what he said is happening not happening? That's what I care about. He could have escaped from prison for a triple ax murder, but if he shows up with some credible info about the NSA spying on Americans I'm going to be very interested in what the NSA has to say and what Congress is going to do about it. I care about his info, not his resume.

I don't know why I'm saying this. It just doesn't seem to get through. People who care about the constitutionality of this mess do.not.care.about.Snowden.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

20. Not me. I find the NSA and our Gov story justifying Suspionless Spying Fishy

I find it to be illegal, too.

[woo me with science]

28. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. So we should not be discussing the spying of your

government n the citizens of this country? Or is this 911 and a verb? Therefore verboten?

[marions ghost]

23. What tells you

what is real and what is an illusion? If you don't know, then it's good not to trust too much.
Better to be patient than jump to conclusions.

Speculation:

I bet you that Snowden's motivation is NOT money. Which shoots down the theory of "paid by a foreign power." I think he fits the independent, creative personality type who doesn't concede authority to anyone very easily--ie. not a trusting person. If he ever was, he had his mind blown working in intelligence-gathering. Regardless of your opinion about what he's doing, I think it's "what you see is what you get" with Snowden. He seeks to uncover the Big Lie. It's possible that he has been dealing with depression about what he knows, and couldn't live with it. If so the motivation would be validation, psychologically speaking, and relief of a disturbing level of cognitive dissonance. It's not something you can tell a shrink. I know it's hard to imagine that he doesn't care about money, but many people don't. I see him as throwing his fate to the wind.

Just my opinion. Who really knows?

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. It will be interesting to see how this one shakes out.

It will make a good movie. That will probably be the end result of all of this.

[marions ghost]

25. God I hope not

--if this is only a movie, it's one of the worst nightmares I've ever witnessed.

Fantasy/reality = Americans can't tell the difference.

[Democracyinkind]

26. Certain aspects are fishy.

Such as his claim of being in possessions of a NOC-list (I take this term from Mission Impossible because I seriously doubt such a thing really exists).

I don't see any evidence or hints at him being an agent of a foreign power, though. As with most things concerning espionage, though, this is just a "gut feeling" and not an assessment based on full insight into documentary evidence.

[relayerbob]

27. Absolutely

Only, I doubt the financial backers are foreign. The guy is a pawn, the real questions are who and what is the goal?

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. There has just been such a push to make Obama look bad.

I wouldn't put anything past some of the people in the GOP.

Wonder if this could be a Rove thing? Or Cheney maybe?