Dear Ralph Nader: Thank you for today's Supreme Court decision

[ZRT2209]

You can now add "Destruction of the Voting Rights Act" to your resume.

[libodem]

1. yep

Hope he's proud.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Yep. And still some here haven't learned

and continue to follow in that example, as 2010 proved.

[BeyondGeography]

3. 2000 will always make my stomach turn

The whole thing was like a car accident in slow motion. And, as we saw yet again today, it is the gift that keeps on giving. "No difference between Bush and Gore," folks.

[madrchsod]

4. bullshit he didn't cause anything

it was the boys watching the election going to gore and called up and said fix it. they did and the supremes said it was a ok.

the supremes are making sure the next election goes the same as florida

[gcomeau]

5. *Couldn't* have been fixed...

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...if Nader hadn't siphoned tens of thousands of votes away from Gore in Florida.

So yeah he did cause something.

[sad-cafe]

7. exactly

the damage he caused is still going on.

[LanternWaste]

36. I think it would be more accurate to state...

I think it would be more accurate to state "so yeah. the voters who in good faith cast their votes for him did cause something..." But that's not such great ad copy, as it minimizes our right to vote freely for whom we want to.

Even more accurate to state "those directly involved in deciding how the Florida outcome would legally be decided did cause something." But again, rather bad ad copy; and further, it seeks to cast blame on those responsible rather than the easy, though fallacious target.

[demosincebirth]

6. ...and Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy.

[pnwmom]

8. He campaigned the hardest in the swing states and got 9500 votes in Florida,

a state that Bush won by only 500. If Nader hadn't been on the ballot, the case wouldn't have gone to SCOTUS.

Nader single-handedly changed the course of history.

[Bonobo]

14. Correction. 9,500 people chose to vote for him.

You advocate taking away MORE freedom from our already democratically-challenged political system?

Wow.

[pnwmom]

17. Many of those people were grossly misled by him.

People do stupid things sometimes.

[Bonobo]

20. I think more people that wanted to vote for him actually chose not to

because they were either misled by Obama or decided that they should do so out of a sense of pragmatism.

But like it or not, people have the RIGHT to choose who they want in an election.

It is not your or my job to decide whether they were misled or not --and such a statement is only a wild, wild guess based upon nothing.

[deutsey]

34. And a recount would've validated a Gore victory in Florida

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/yes-bush-v-gore-did-steal-the-election.html

SNIP

The myth that Bush would have won had the recount proceeded dates back to a recount conducted by a consortium of newspapers that examined the ballots. The consortium found that “If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin.” But the newspapers decided that this was not how the counties would have actually tabulated the votes. By the variable standards they would have used, the papers reported, Bush would have prevailed. Thus the national news reported a slew of headlines asserting that Bush would have prevailed.

The conclusion was erroneous. The newspapers assumed that the counties would only have looked at “undervotes” — ballots that did not register any votes for president — and ignored “overvotes” — ballots that registered more than one vote for president. An overvote would be a ballot in which the machine mistakenly picked up a second vote for president, or in which a voter both marked a box and wrote in the name of the same candidate. A hand recount in which an examiner is judging the “intent of the voter” would turn those ballots that were originally discarded into countable votes.

Counting overvotes in which the intent of the voter was clear would have resulted in Gore winning the recount. And subsequent reporting by the Orlando Sentinel and Michael Isikoff found that the recount, had it proceeded, almost certainly would have examined overvotes.

SNIP

[pnwmom]

37. True. But Nader was the single person who could have changed everything

and made a recount unnecessary. Those 5 people on SCOTUS would never have had a chance to weigh in if the 1 progressive had acted for the good of the country instead of his own vanity.

[Revanchist]

31. I don't blame Nader for what happened in Florida

I blame the idiot who approved this:



I cannot believe that over 3,000 people in Dade County purposefully voted for Pat Buchanan.

[Zoeisright]

9. Fuck Nader.

And thanks, everyone who voted for him. You caused this shitstorm.

[DevonRex]

10. Yep.

You'd think the meaning of "winner take all" or "zero-sum" might have sunk in by now. And the consequences of ignoring reality.

[frylock]

11. you just get out of bed?

you're about 15 hours late to this bullshit dance. oh, but hopefully this will spawn another 50 "fuck nader" threads, because this morning's two-minute hate just wasn't enough.

[Rex]

21. Much easier for them to pretend it was all his fault

instead of talking about how Gore actually won and got screwed over. I doubt any of them had this much rage for the actual perpetrators of the 2000 Theft. I doubt they even know who they are.

[Gothmog]

32. Gore would not have been in a position to have the election stolen without nader

Nader's run was a vanity exercise that cost Al Gore the election. Nader took enough votes to give bush and the SCOTUS the opportunity to steal this election

[hrmjustin]

12. K&R!

[liberal_at_heart]

13. thank you DINO dems for today's Supreme Court decision.

[markiv]

15. I blame him for unsafe cars, too

Gore would have advanced auto safety if he'd won

[HiPointDem]

16. what an idiotic post.

[ZRT2209]

22. Welcome to Full Ignore - Good luck advocating from there!!!!

[HappyMe]

23. Aren't you supposed

to holler *PLANK* or some such thing?


edit to add - I'm dumping the irrelevant old fool into my key trash words.

[HangOnKids]

25. I don't think he gives a shit!

Love the responses to your attempt at a hide.

[HiPointDem]

27. check your solipsism. like a toddler who thinks when he covers his eyes other people can't

see him.

i'm really worried a poster with <800 posts has me on 'full ignore'.

[avaistheone1]

18. Ralph Nader did not cause the loss of the 2000 election.

That is completely untrue. That is your ignorance speaking.

[Gothmog]

30. I love the people who are rewriting history

Nader cost Al Gore the White House and is responsible for Roberts being CJ. You can ignore the facts but the facts are the facts.

[deutsey]

35. +1

[Blue_In_AK]

19. Not this shit again...

[LWolf]

24. .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/people-getting-dumber-human-intelligence-victoria-era_n_3293846.html

[Bill USA]

26. what would we do without those people with Messiah complexes?

[Gothmog]

28. Nader is directly responsible for the lost of Section 5 of the VRA

Nader is the reason bush won and the reason why Roberts is the CJ.

[Capt. Obvious]

29. Thank Nader for Marriage Equality?

Okay. Thanks Nader!

[still_one]

33. In all fairness congress can and should vote on the voting rights act. If the house won't bring it

Up the senate can and should, come on Harry. I want to see an up or down vote so people see who stands where, and it is on the record