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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:29 PM

"Crazy ass cracker"

Are you offended?

Is this an offensive term?

Just wondering...
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Zimmerman is guilty
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Reply "Crazy ass cracker" (Original post)
Agschmid Jun 2013 OP
hrmjustin Jun 2013 #1
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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:32 PM

1. It is an offensive term but I had to vote that Zimmerman is guilty.

 

I have never heard it here in NYC

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:33 PM

2. Context please

I'm not personally offended but I'd like to know what the fuck you're talking about.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:38 PM

10. Testimony from Zimmerman trial...

Frustrated that Trayvon is on trial rather than Zimmerman.

I get the term is offensive but it is so beneath the point of the trial.

I'm angry.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:38 PM

11. Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker". nt

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Response to Raine (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:42 PM

19. And he was right! n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:43 PM

22. Yup!

Totally accurate description.

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Response to Raine (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:03 AM

91. He'd have been lucky to get something so mild from me. I'm experienced at profanity.

But it wouldn't be anything worse than what regularly came out of Zimmerman's ugly mouth, the little toad.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #91)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:00 AM

98. Me too, I got a real profane streak and I know how to use it. nt.

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Response to Raine (Reply #98)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:06 AM

122. Hell, I skip straight past the racial slurs and move straight to dehumanizing metaphors.

Truly vicious verbal abuse requires skill.

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Response to Raine (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:44 AM

101. Not quite - to his friend, on the cellphone, TM described Zim: "creepy-ass cracker is staring at me"

Not the same as face-to-face calling someone that term. Not quite.

Knock knock loved this phrase so much that he managed to make her repeat it 4 times in 60 seconds.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #101)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:46 PM

115. yup you're right, it's not same even though that's what Zimmerman is, especially creepy. nt

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #101)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:45 AM

132. So, if I used the n-word among fellow white people

with no African-American person able to hear, it's OK?

This isn't going to play well with the jury.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #101)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:29 AM

142. That seems logical to me

Not only that, what does "cracker" actually mean? "White person with bad intentions," "scummy white person" just "white person"?

Even the worst possible interpretations I can come up with don't rival the "N" word with all of it's historical context.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:33 PM

3. I thought it was "cracker ass cracker"

I was listening to Chris Rock again last night and he's dead on.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:34 PM

4. Context: Couple of minutes later, he called him a n*****

So don't get the impression that this is proof of some anti-"white" attitude. Consider what terms you would use if you'd find yourself being stalked... It's not as if he opened a valedictorian speech with those words... context...

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:40 PM

14. Not anti white attitude...

I am angry that instead of us prosecuting this man for murdering a kid we are making sure everyone knows what Trayvon said.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

29. Ditto.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:40 PM

15. Agreed.

 

I don't like either of those terms. They are both pejoratives.

However, I do understand and I can deal with the context Trayvon was using them given he was being stalked by Zimmerman.

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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:37 PM

6. What the fuck?

No, not even close to as offensive.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:38 PM

9. Errr...right?

Hello MIRT!

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Response to EvilAL (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:59 PM

34. MIRT on the job!

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Response to one_voice (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:02 PM

37. Woohoo good job MIRT!

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Response to one_voice (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:03 PM

38. Skinner served him the pizza...

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Response to EvilAL (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:07 AM

92. What brand was it?



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Response to freshwest (Reply #92)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:48 AM

102. Tombstone

Duh!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #92)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:49 AM

108. lol,

love that .gif
hahahahah

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:41 PM

16. Not EVEN close.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:41 PM

17. Really?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:41 PM

18. It is NOT, that's total BULLSHIT

and you fucking know it!!!!!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:43 PM

23. Racial slurs don't have the same sting when used against the dominant bastards.

They're used by dominant bastards to verbally assault minorities.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:51 PM

27. Racial slurs are hurtful, negative, inflammatory and counterproductive regardless of who is casting

 

them.

Is that the path and the kind of dialogue Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandala encouraged?

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:16 PM

44. "cracker" is a class slur IMO

invented by whites to diss poorer rural whites-- I have a link but the links are screwing up again

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

28. For the sake of equal treatment, shouldn't it be...

 

"They're used by dominant bastards to verbally assault minority bastards."

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:57 PM

31. Racial slurs are used by stupid people to show others how stupid they are.

 

It works like a charm.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:59 PM

33. "bastard" is a racial slur"? "dominant bastard"?

 

Who used a slur of any kind????

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:01 PM

36. I was referencing the n word, and the word cracker (not dominant bastard).

 

Both are racial slurs. imo

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:03 PM

39. Sorry. Brain cramp.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:05 PM

40. No problem.

 

Happens to me more than I'd like to admit.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:25 AM

93. No. The bastard is the one in charge of bastardly behavior such as verbal assaults.

The aggressor cannot transfer his state of being illegitimate or acting improperly onto the object of the abuse.

Also, said bastard would presume himself to not equal with the assaulted, or he would not attempt to do so.

The difference in power between the two is the trigger of the abuse. You do not abuse a peer or an equal.

Since they might just whup your ass.

IMHO.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:37 PM

7. Well he is.

 

But that expression should not be used as it is pejorative.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:37 PM

8. I just read the other day on the meaning of 'cracker'

 

It was the sound of the whips that the slaves heard when they got the whip.

Crack!

so I dunno about it being offensive except to the poor people that had to endure the whipping. I can easily see it being a generic term used for the many way to keep beating on black people.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:42 PM

20. Did not know the origin of the term.

Thanks for the knowledge.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:21 PM

47. That is not actually the origin of the term, and the term is very very Florida specific

 

The word goes back to 1500's and meant 'braggart' or 'big talker'. It is used in Shakespeare.
Craic pronounced 'crack' is still the word for lively conversation in Ireland and certain other quarters. Scots Irish settlers in the harsh Southern colonies were called Crackers, an in Florida the term applied eventually and specifically to cowboys, Cracker Cowhunters.
The word does not come from the sound of a whip. It is older than the slave trade and it is still in use in the original meaning.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:56 PM

59. +1. n/t

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:44 PM

64. thanks for posting that

I never knew that and it is interesting at this point in life to learn something new. I was always told that it came from living in a cracker house. they were called cracker houses because they looked like cracker boxes. they were the old wooden houses - metal roofs, front porch, rectangle. When I was growing up the poorer people lived in old cracker houses. So it made sense that people called poor people crackers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker_architecture

http://www.oldhouseweb.com/architecture-and-design/cracker-farmhouses-1840-1920.shtml

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/photos/arts/crackr/crackr.htm

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Response to d_r (Reply #64)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:35 AM

85. My Mom (who is 93) grew up in a "cracker-built" house...

 

The screened-in porch was important (some completely enclosed the house!), providing a cooler place to sleep (family members dragged mattresses out onto the porch to escape the hot kitchen where the wood-burning stove was always in use). The first Crackers arriving in Florida were highly nomadic & usually on foot and traveled with their livestock on pathworks & trails. These destitute people often could not make a living under the slave regime, and fled to Florida where slave culture was not as widespread beyond N. Florida, bookkeeping was bad, and no one wished to track you down for debts, crimes and CSA draft-dodging. Being nomadic, their "housing" didn't rate cracker-builts, but were make-shift lean-tos. If discovered squatting on private land, they had to move on if share-cropping could not be agreed to. Some reached frontier land where they could quit-claim as late as the 1920s.

Their living conditions were very harsh, and they suffered displacement frequently.

Ever heard of a cracker cart? A 2-wheeled cart drawn by a horse or other livestock, with the driver riding the animal. A text (1870) referenced similar vehicles in the St. Augustine area as "go-carts."

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #85)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:37 PM

110. No I've never heard

of a cracker cart! I didn't know so much about the nomadic lifestyle of the crackers. That's really interesting and makes a lot of sense.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:30 PM

73. +1

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:35 PM

51. that makes sense but I always thought it was from Florida cattle drivers

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Response to Kali (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:14 PM

113. Me, too!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:48 PM

58. That's not the origin of the term

 

As was pointed out up thread. It referred to settlers described as always 'cracking their mouths off,' or as we say today, 'talking a bunch of shit.' Same use as 'cracking a joke' or 'cracking wise.'

It's got nothing to do with whips or slavery.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:46 AM

75. There are several origins, but the "slave whip" is questionable:

 

Sound of very long whip cracking as cattle were driven out of thick brush & palmetto, notably in SW Florida. Cow Hunters (often another name for Crackers) had marginal need for rope, a decent saddle or even good boots, but they needed a long whip -- said to be heard for a mile.

(2) Those who cracked corn for moonshine (popular outside of Florida).

(3) One given to bragging & boasting, Scots origin.

(4) Sound of folks cracking pecans against each other.

Some dictionaries also reference Boer ethnicity in S. Africa. Our family's b.g. goes back to antebellum Florida. The term was not considered an insult; "white trash" was.

At a recent 4th of July parade in Micanopy, several "Crackers" on horseback paraded through, loudly cracking whips. One if the cow hunters was African-American.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:54 AM

96. OMG. Thanks for the info.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:39 PM

12. He should be fired from his cooking show

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:39 PM

13. you wonder if someone is offended

 

by a racist slur ? even if it is pretty mild and stupid ?

What's the most severe level of racist mockery that is allowed here, and is everybody fair game or just some, to some degree ?

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:43 PM

24. +10

 

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:42 PM

21. I don't give a rat's ass.

Because as a white person I have never ever been discriminated against, been unable to speak my mind, or been systematically destroyed of the color of my skin. That's what most people don't get. If you're a white person, you cannot charge anyone else with racism against you, because you have no idea what it means.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:45 PM

25. +1

I've experience homophobia but I feel that racism is even worse. So I can't even imagine the difficulty is causes in daily life.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:08 AM

83. Black (minority) LGBT have it bad, too. Skin color is obviously instantly recognizable than

 

orientation, but imagine the mixed feelings: yesterday the SCOTUS ripped the VRA apart. Today, they granted more civil rights to LGBT.

Black and minority LGBTs will still endure voter suppression.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:37 PM

52. You mean, as a white MAN you have never been discriminated against ...

White women have some different experiences.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:43 PM

55. Exactly. Good post.

It's like those yahoos (hope that term is OK) who go crazy because a minority group has their own prom, even though the white folks wouldn't allow blacks to go to "their" prom.

If Martin called that piece of crud Zimmerman a "cracker" and knocked him to the ground, he deserved it. Of course if Martin had prevailed, he would be rotting in jail.

Sometimes, "cracker" is an apt term, and deserved - such as in case of armed bigot.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:05 AM

81. Whoop, there it is!! Nothing more frustrating to a black person than hearing a white person

 

telling him/her that something said or done isn't racist or that racism is on the decline. How do they know? They're not black/minority!

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:51 AM

87. +10

 

You've laid out excellently the thing that gives such slurs their edge: power disparity. That disparity is what makes "honkey" or "cracker" laughable and childish-sounding, but keeps a sharp edge on "ni**er" or "coon." It's dependent on which side of the insult holds power over the other.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:50 PM

26. What kind of crazy-assed cracker put together this incomprehensible poll?

 

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

30. "cracker" seems to be a Floridian version of "redneck"

and since I call myself the latter and don't consider it offensive, were I in Florida I'd probably be unoffended by "cracker"

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:00 PM

35. Florida is the only state where I've heard that word used (regularly) nt

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:45 PM

57. I think it was created for Florida cattlemen...who cracked their whip to drive cattle

consequently a rural working class guy...which makes it similar to redneck sensu USA a rural working class person

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:11 PM

41. I'm white and not really offended

 

Cracker has become mainstream in pop culture like the n word. It's just another way of saying "white guy".

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:14 PM

43. I think that depends on what generation you are from, and it even may be influenced by what area

 

of the country you live in.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:17 PM

45. Agreed

 

When I was going to high school around 2000, the use of cracker between blacks and whites was a friendly jibe. This was in the Pacific Northwest, where (as long as I've lived) racial tensions are basically non-existent.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:02 PM

111. I agree

Calling anyone a "cracker" would have made everyone laugh! And think you meant white as a saltine. LOL.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:20 PM

46. It's not offensive unless you want it to be, and communicate that intent to me. nt

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:24 PM

48. I can't imagine being offended by being called a cracker.

Maybe that's because I'm white, straight and grew up in Mississippi. The N-word is offensive to black people, sure. And the F....t-word, etc, is offensive to LGBTs, for good reason.

Cracker just feels like white people just decided to be offended by a silly word when they still hold an inordinate amount of power.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:26 PM

49. It does...

Feels like we should be offended by something right? Totally ridiculous that this is even a thing.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:10 PM

68. Exactly. Very silly. I just feel like we straight white people sound ridiculous

when we whine. Like fundamentalists sound when they whine about Christians being persecuted in the US. First, it diminishes persecution to nothingness. Second, it's just not true in a real or comparative sense.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:00 PM

63. I've never found the word cracker offensive...

Someone accused me of being a racist one time just because I disagreed with them on something that wasn't even race related. The gist was that they said I disagreed with them because I didn't think a black man should be able to have his own opinion without having the white man's opinion... I find stuff like that more offensive than someone calling me a cracker.

Cracker. Peckerboy. White boy. Whatever. Those, to me, are just words with little meaning. Being a labeled a racist has far deeper meaning though that's probably more on par with a black person being called the N-word.

Current criticisms of people expressing criticism of our president has riled up a lot of people, perhaps because others feel the same way?

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:29 PM

50. Offensive term

 

Doesn't matter what the context is, and it doesn't matter since Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and stalked a teenager against the advice of dispatch.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:38 PM

53. certainly not between friends

what are we going to censor humor too?

cracker has always sounded funny to me, crazy ass makes it funnier

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:41 PM

54. As offensive as an

unarmed child, who had every right to be where he was and what he was doing, being murdered by a gung-ho, vigilante hot-dog? No where close.

I have worse names for the GZ. He scared that poor boy. So that was relatively mild.

But I'm sure my favorite will be his next new one, "my bitch', for Georgie, by some lifer in prison.


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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:43 PM

56. oh, i thought this was another mike huckabee post

nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:58 PM

61. ROFL

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:06 PM

109. DUzy!

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:57 PM

60. Offensive? I seriously had no idea.

Should I refer to the peanut butter and cr*****s my kid was eating earlier as "PB and biscuits" from now on?

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:59 PM

62. Try crumpets... It's British.

That must mean it is safe to use?

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:24 PM

72. unless you are paula dean

then its peanut butter and n*****s

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:51 PM

65. I actually find that racist term to be humorous. nt

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:57 PM

66. Are you a Floridian?

This term is quite common in Florida.

At least, when we lived there 20 years ago, Floridians were divided into crackers (natives) and conches (new comers).

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:02 PM

67. i guess you can only be a bigot on this board

if you are bigoted toward the right groups. fuck this bullshit...

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:15 PM

69. How has the word "cracker" been used in history to oppress, um,

whoever it's supposed to be insulting?

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #69)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:09 AM

105. go look up the term bigot

and see if you can figure out what part of your question needs correcting.

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:52 AM

95. Call me a list of bigoted names for white people. I'll tell you which one hurts.

I'm white and have always been at ease about it. I'd like to know which names said by non-whites or whites feels as if you're being discriminated against, or offends you. I don't feel at all threatened or discriminated against just because I'm white, but I know I have been for other reasons. And please tell me which groups are the subject of bigotry at DU. I don't feel that way at all, but may be missing something.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #95)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:11 AM

106. so cracker isn't good enough for you?

i would suggest looking up the term bigot...

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #106)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:43 AM

136. Let's start again. Your first post I replied to:

67. i guess you can only be a bigot on this board if you are bigoted toward the right groups. fuck this bullshit...

And that your comment, I replied:

95. Call me a list of bigoted names for white people. I'll tell you which one hurts. I'm white and have always been at ease about it. I'd like to know which names said by non-whites or whites feels as if you're being discriminated against, or offends you. I don't feel at all threatened or discriminated against just because I'm white, but I know I have been for other reasons. And please tell me which groups are the subject of bigotry at DU. I don't feel that way at all, but may be missing something.

Your reply didn't answer my questions, nor come up with a name to offend me:

106. so cracker isn't good enough for you? i would suggest looking up the term bigot...

You seem focused on the word cracker, but Z was also called creepy. What has that got to do with DU members?

I don't need to look up the term bigot as I already know, but don't use the term. It doesn't change hearts or minds. But you brought DU into this. So that is all the definition needed. The TOS at DU states:

No bigoted hate speech.

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when ó and only when ó such doubt exists.

This is a thread with a poll based on a trial and the statement of a young man just before being shot dead by a stalker. Why make it about other DUers?

Really, you shot out the gate with that by yourself. I want to know why you are charging DUers with being bigoted.

I don't think bigotry is an attractive quality nor is it a quality or a privilege anyone would want to have, or would complain about not getting to express.

It appears you are saying it is a privilege to be a bigot at DU. Who is being afforded this privilege and who is not?

You appear to be saying that not all DUers are allowed equal rights. Who are the right groups that you speak of here?

As far as your question, you went off topic but, I'll answer you anyway.

Yes, cracker is good enough for me. Sure, call me a cracker. I won't be offended. I wouldn't call you a bigot for saying that or anything else. Will you call yourself a bigot then?

AFAIK, no one has ever called another member a cracker at DU, or anything on the list in the TOS. As I said, call me a cracker or whatever you want, it's like water off a duck's back. Although that would be a quacker, maybe. Feel free to call me that, too.

I'm not oppressed on the basis of my skin color and never have been. Calling me names for being white is laughable to me as I am not losing anything.

I don't call anyone names out the TOS here or any other kind of names, really. Why bother. DU was not the subject of this thread until you choose it to be.

Have a nice weekend.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #136)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:10 AM

138. sorry if i don't stay glued to a trial

there was no context offered for the use of the term cracker... and i am sorry that the term cracker doesn't offend you. in most cases that i have experienced it is being used with the same hatred as that behind the n-word.

i find that no word is offensive... but the intent behind it... usually is.

sP

and yes, bigotry IS allowed on DU as long as it targets certain religious groups (for one instance)... take a look around... and to be honest, as long as members are slamming southern white guys... that bigotry is allowed as well... but some people act like THAT bigotry is almost a virtue.

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #138)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:42 PM

144. Okay, I see your context now. And the TOS is just what it is. I strong disagree with place of origin

and religion or lack of one disrespect that devolves into name calling and division on DU as some people have quit DU over it. To win, the tent has to be tent and not fighting each other inside it.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:18 PM

70. It's a racist term used by racists.

 

Trayvon was a racist. That doesn't mean Zimmerman is not guilty.

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:21 PM

71. lol

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:06 AM

82. "racist" vs. "bigoted"

The difference between a racist and a bigot is that bigots can be prejudiced, but have no power structure that backs up their bigotry. Racists by the current definition, rely on a white majority which backs up their bigotry and prejudice. The often silent /hidden power structure that backs up racism is absent when a black individual calls some white dude a "cracker"

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Response to bobduca (Reply #82)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:50 PM

116. That might be what you think it means...

 

The terms themselves don't have anything to do with "power structures" or majorities.

One person of X ethnicity can be racist towards a million strong population of Y.

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Response to Pelican (Reply #116)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:52 PM

117. No

but thanks for playing. A powerless bigot is a bigot.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #117)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:01 AM

118. No but what?

 

Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


Belief in your race's superiority or another race's lack

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


Less focused on race but an obvious example...

Note the lack of anything regarding historical population percentages or who is historically or currently the most oppresssed. Also not the lack of any qualifier that says that any bigot or racist must currently be in power.


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Response to Pelican (Reply #118)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:03 AM

119. Let me guess

You don't believe in "white privilege" ?

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Response to bobduca (Reply #119)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:04 AM

120. Let me guess...

 

You are going to hope that I don't notice that you are ignoring the point of the conversation.

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Response to Pelican (Reply #120)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:06 AM

121. the point being you deny power has any aspect to the term "racist"

yeah i'm trying to ignore your regressive attempt at false equivalence.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #121)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:10 AM

123. Look...

 

... just because your don't know what the word means, doesn't mean that the rest of us have to accept your incorrect definition.

By the definition of the words, a homeless person with zero money, zero possessions and of an ethnicity that has been historically persecuted can be racist or bigoted towards members of a rich, powerful ethnic majority with no history of persecution.

Stomping your feet and holding your breath won't make the definition change. Call Webster...

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Response to Pelican (Reply #123)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:12 AM

124. how about attend some college in the past 20 years?

"Stomping my feet" oh you mean like claiming that "cracker" is a "racist" term?

The only ones offended by this term are white racists.

Oh and for the record, fuck cracker racists.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #124)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:14 AM

126. Are claiming that calling someone a cracker is not racist?

 

Just keep digging... I'm sure you'll get out of that hole eventually...

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Response to Pelican (Reply #126)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:15 AM

128. Yeah its a bigoted term of no consequence. with no history of lynching

False equivalence in action. Enjoy your websters dictionary, thou lofty pedant.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #128)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:17 AM

129. I see you at least found the website...

 

It's a good start. Now use it...

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Response to bobduca (Reply #128)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:18 AM

130. Plonk

now off to the cracker barrel with you.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:32 PM

74. I thought this was going to be about Paula Deen n/t

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:49 AM

76. No thank, I have some wheat thins


How are they with onion dip?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #76)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:30 AM

94. Damn, what I'd do for a RITZ right now. With that damned canned cheese on it. Sick.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:55 AM

77. Cracker has NONE of the history, hate and contempt as the N-word

 

Not even close

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:56 AM

78. Rush is that you?

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:57 AM

79. Crazy ass cracker??

A cracker who acts in an insane manner?
A cracker who's rear end alone, is insane?
A cracker who owns an insane donkey?
A insane person who fractures rear ends?

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:59 AM

80. what a false dichotomy, hobsons choice bullshit poll

how about: Guilty, and not offended?

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:11 AM

84. It is certainly racist...

 

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Response to Pelican (Reply #84)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:58 AM

88. I'm an American who dates back to the JFK administration

and my only experience with the term is from Margaret Mitchell's description of Scarlett's future brother-in-law in Gone With The Wind. Will Benteen was a "South Georgia Cracker" and the term was meant to describe his social status, not his color.

Apparently there are some places where some African Americans have more recently co-opted this word to describe some or all white people. How exactly is that doing any damage to Caucasians as a race? Sounds like there are people out here who are highly insulted by the term, but as your race has not endured what blacks have in this country, I fail to see how it's any different from my father calling anyone who doesn't use a turn signal in traffic a "shit head".

Itís an insult. Donít let it ruin your day. And beware false equivalency.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:16 AM

89. Hence the reason I typed a response...

 

... and didn't just click on the poll.

It is a racist term, regardless of the origin of the word. I'm not insulted as I rarely care what anyone thinks of me, especially bigots.

All of the qualifiers in the world about who is the most oppressed don't justify or impugn. Racist is racist...

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:45 AM

86. Offensive terms can be relative but..


As a white male if i was to be called a cracker i would first think that's a little rude then probably laugh on the inside a bit with out a second thought about it. Wouldn't really be offended because it has no meaning because i have never been treated poorly by authority,employers or society because of my race.


I Believe it depends on the power one has that uses the slur, A typical White male in America does not have the history of being oppressed that lets say a Typical Black male may have, Every thing is easiest in this country for a White male, when you have such automatic racial and sexual privilege it is difficult to be offended by a term attacking your race or sex.

Its a lot a like yelling at a Millionaire and saying "hey you money hording bastard", or calling someone who is extremely attractive "pretty boy" the privileges that come with good genetics or wealth just don't make insults on those things very cutting.


When your people have been murdered and enslaved and are still not equal that anger and lack of fairness weighs heavily on a man/women's shoulders,your daily life is subject to little things that White males don't have to put up with or even see so a racial or sexual comment can cut like a Knife.


Doesn't make it non offensive it just doesn't have the sting when you have all the advantages.


I know some on DU don't acknowledge that white privilege exists and may take issue with this post, I implore those that deny to please use empathy and actually give the issue thought.

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Response to Notafraidtoo (Reply #86)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:57 AM

97. Well said.

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Response to Notafraidtoo (Reply #86)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:29 AM

107. "probably laugh on the inside a bit"


Yep.

By the same token, it is why some people unthinkingly engage in the use of racial or other slurs, and are surprised to be chastised.

The thinking is, "I don't give a shit if someone calls me 'honky'". And I don't. Why should I care.

Does anyone still say "honky"? I never even knew why it was supposed to be insulting in the first place. I probably would have laughed out loud if anyone ever called me one, because it's such a funny word.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:18 AM

90. I'm WASP. I'm immune to name calling. If you don't understand, that's okay.

Call me any white racial slur you want. I can take it, because it ain't gonna take nothing from me.

And Zimmermann is guilty as sin. BTW, I'm also 'whiter' than he is.


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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:02 AM

99. I'm not offended.

Zimmerman is GUILTY.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:33 AM

100. There's something about the way Chris Rock says it.....

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:07 AM

103. extra funny IMHO

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:25 AM

104. I thought this was about Republican Senators.

Their brand anyway.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:06 PM

112. Calling someone a "crazy ass cracker" doesn't give them license to kill someone.

That's the only thing that matters in this case. Did he murder Martin or did he protect himself.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #112)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:14 AM

140. It was Trayvon who used this term. He didn't kill anyone.

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #140)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:16 AM

141. I guess I should have said, "Being called a crazy ass cracker doesn't give that person the right...

to kill someone.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:05 PM

114. Not offensive.

I've heard the term "cracker" used many times to describe somebody who is behaving crazily or stupidly and have zero doubt that Zimmerman appeared that way to Trayvon the night he was murdered.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:13 AM

125. how would this term absolve Zimmerman of guilt?

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:15 AM

127. some white LA talk radio guys invited black people to call in and try to racially insult them and

see if they felt offended.

The hosts were incredibly honest about it, and weren't offended by anything.

One of them said a lot of white people WANTED to be offended more than they actually were offended.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:06 AM

131. Does it really matter?

I'm not on the jury, so it doesn't matter what I think (I honestly don't know if he's guilty or not).

Oh, and I call white people crackers and honkeys all the time. Mostly because I know a lot of crazy-ass crackers. Takes one to know one, and all that.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:57 AM

133. Some context on 'cracker' being a racial slur:

KING SAMIR SHABAZZ says black people should create militias to exterminate whites, skin them alive, pour acid on them, sic pit bulls on them, bust their heads with rocks and even raid nurseries to "kill everything white in sight."

"I would love nothing more than to come home with a cracker's head in my book bag," Shabazz, a Philly street preacher and national field marshal for the New Black Panther Party, said on a black-power radio show.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-27/news/40208598_1_new-black-panther-party-million-youth-march-north-philly

I agree with responses above that it may have regional connotations, however the word 'cracker' certainly has racial motivations...

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:12 AM

134. I'm sure that we're going to be seeing some Saltine-American group coming to Z's defense over this

The outrage will be epic.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:18 AM

135. A 17 year old didn't deserve to die because he said cracker.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:54 AM

137. Sticks and stones can break my bones......

If I start getting all outraged over words, people who want to upset me will just use those words more. Better to laugh it off.

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:13 AM

139. Not and not. But then, I'm from a line of coal-crackers.

 

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Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:56 AM

143. Of course it's not offensive. It's not bigoted or racist or even hateful.

Words used to defame the dominant majority have zero power to inflict hurt or pain. It's like trying to argue that calling a guy a dick is the equivalent of calling a woman a c*nt. It's laughable and so is anyone else who thinks there is an equivalency.

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