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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:56 PM

Libertarians vs. Conservatives: Which is worse?

I can't decide which is more annoying, conservatives or libertarians.

Conservatives are pretty much racist with an intellect rivaled only by garden tools. And libertarians tend to be either paranoid or self-centered and sociopathic. Sociopaths are manipulators. They're shallow and see others around them not as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air.
In 1975, Ronald Reagan stated, "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism". I mention this because it was Reagan who injected libertarian into conservatism which created the modern day conservative ideology that we have today. Trickle down economics is more of a libertarian idea than a conservative one. It relies on fantasy and makes no sense when you actually analyze it. Add that in with Reagan's anti-government rhetoric and you get a fusion of conservative/libertarian or in other words the modern day conservative ideology.

Anyway, what are your thoughts and which do you find more annoying?

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Reply Libertarians vs. Conservatives: Which is worse? (Original post)
Galraedia Jun 2013 OP
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #1
baldguy Jun 2013 #2
Kurovski Jun 2013 #3
OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #6
Marr Jun 2013 #4
OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #5
Tom Ripley Jun 2013 #7
Galraedia Jun 2013 #12
LongTomH Jun 2013 #8
Marie Marie Jun 2013 #9
Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #10
denverbill Jun 2013 #11
LibAsHell Jun 2013 #13
abelenkpe Jun 2013 #14
Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #15
Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #16
Hekate Jun 2013 #17
pnwmom Jun 2013 #18
ErikJ Jun 2013 #19
LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #20

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:00 PM

1. My garden tools take exception to your assertions!

I find libertarians selfish, deluded and utterly, impractically hypocritical.

Republicans, on the other hand, are just as bad in a very different way; they are scared shitless into easy manipulation and live in a weird world of single issue passion, even though anything but that issue is against their best interests.

do I have to really choose a worse, or can I just say all of the above?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:06 PM

2. Same same.

 

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:27 PM

3. There was an old saying: Both conservatives and Libertarians...

will walk over the homeless in the street, but conservatives will take the time to spit on them.

Or is t'other way 'round?

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Response to Kurovski (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:32 PM

6. That's a beaut.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:28 PM

4. People who hate liberals but can't come out and say it. /nt

 

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:30 PM

5. Libertarians are conservatives who like to smoke pot.

Conservatives are Libertarians who like to smoke pot, but don't want to pay for it.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:35 PM

7. Conservatives can be unintentionally funny at times, Libertarians are always a bore

 

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:47 PM

12. A conservative just told me that gay marriage will lead to an increase in the national debt...

Seriously. I'm still trying to figure out how the fuck they even reached that conclusion.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:35 PM

8. Author Kim Stanley Robinson defined Libertarians as.........

..."Anarchists who want police powers to protect them from their slaves!"

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:41 PM

9. One is pathetic - the other pitiful.

I'll let you decide which is which. Conservatives are more dangerous because they have more power in our system. Libertarians are just plain annoying,

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:44 PM

10. Libertarians. If they operated without hypocrisy, they'd be the ACLU.

They are hypocrites, intellectually dishonest, racist, and horrible people.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:44 PM

11. Libertarians, without a doubt.

Conservatism has become crazy in large part to their adoption of libertarian gospel. No real conservative in the 1960's would have espoused blowing massive holes in the budget by cutting taxes without cutting spending. Causing massive budget deficits is not conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

I may agree with libertarians on a number of issues, but their simplistic vision of the world is wrong on almost every level, and is unfortunately, very appealing to many young, inexperienced people. I was a card-carrying, dues-paying Libertarian for several years, until I started realizing not every situation can be solved by making people rely on their own selves. It's a very easy philosophy to adopt for young, talented, selfish people. It excuses their greed by assuming everyone in the world should be as talented as they are.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:58 PM

13. I prefer libertarians

I feel like it is possible to have a reasonable discussion with some of them. Typically they're anti-spying and anti-war/military industrial complex, so at least we have that in common. And I think they're a little more comfortable with the concept of this being a secular country. The younger ones, at least.

Conservatives are just plain dumb. Even the educated ones present the same, archaic arguments; just a well-spoken version.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:02 AM

14. Libertarians scare me

My sister claims to be one. She's really just a dumber meaner version of republican relatives.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:03 AM

15. DINO's

 

They are a cancer and kill from within.

The other two are down the list.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:37 AM

16. Libertarians IMO

Very parochial views on "free market" economics. Before the libertarian dogma pushed the GOP further right, there used to be at least some populist conservatives when it came to economics.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:21 AM

17. Libertarians, for the following reason: They appear to make common cause with Liberals ...

... in some things that are important to us.

Ron Paul enjoyed a surge of popularity at DU when Bush invaded Iraq, because he was against it and so were we. This lulled a lot of people into thinking he must be our friend and ally, when nothing of the sort was true.

Libertarians are not Liberals; there is a fundamental difference in the ethos and cast of thought. It's why when they run for office, they run as Republicans.

You should just try reading Ayn Rand sometime. Ron Paul named his son for her. Paul Ryan makes Atlas Shrugged required reading for his staff and gives the book away as Xmas gifts -- and he is a putative Roman Catholic.

I find Conservatives to be pretty much what they say they are, but Libertarians give the impression that they are all for "freedom" in everything we hold dear. That's why they are more dangerous.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:22 AM

18. It depends. Some conservatives have a libertarian economic philosophy,

in which case they combine the worst of both worlds.

But conservatives who still believe in the social safety net and equal rights, conservatives like Susan Collins of Maine, are better. Unfortunately, these days there are very few of them left.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:29 AM

19. Libertarianism is a lure to get the young into the Conservative fold.

 

Conservatives are old, Libertarians are young. Like the old saying goes, "Libertarians are Republicans who want to get high and get laid."

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:43 AM

20. Conservatives by FAR

RW Libertarians are at least on the right side of SOME issues....and leftwing libertarians are practically indistinguishable from liberals.

Conservatives are wrong on EVERYTHING and if they had their way would turn this country into a totalitarian theonomy. They are pro-war, anti-freedom, theocratic, anti-woman, anti-minority, anti-gay BIGOTS who want to force their religion on everyone while enslaving them through poverty.

There is no comparison.

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