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By Kurt Eichenwald
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The irony of someone purportedly dedicated to privacy and human rights aiding the Chinese government grew even starker while Snowden was in Hong Kong. Last week, Human Rights Watch issued a report condemning a massive surveillance campaign undertaken by the Chinese government in Tibetan villages, which results in political re-education of those who may question the Communist regime and the establishment of partisan security units. These tactics discriminate against those perceived as potentially disloyal, and restrict their freedom of religion and opinion, Human Rights Watch wrote.
But hey, thats just real life, not the Internet privacy that concerns Snowden. And, of course, the level of the Chinese governments surveillance and control of their citizens use of the Internet is almost an art form. Just six months ago, Chinas legislative body, the Standing Committee of the National Peoples Congress, adopted the Decision to Strengthen the Protection of Online Information. The new rules, which Human Rights Watch says threaten security and privacy of internet users, require telecommunications providers to collect reams of personal information about customers who sign up for Internet, landline, or cell-phone service. The law also requires for the providers to insure they have the ability to immediately identify the real names of people who post comments under pseudonyms. Guess why? In the days following the decision, Human Rights Watch reported, several well-known online activists found that their weibo micro-blogging accounts had been shut down.
As for Russia, the crackdown on public activism has intensified in recent months, which, again, has led to Human Rights Watch issuing a report just a few weeks before Snowden landed in Moscow. The crackdown is threatening civil society, said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. The EU has spoken out strongly in recent months, but now is the time to directly call on Russias leadership to revise restrictive laws and stop the harassment of independent groups. Primarily, the Russians are going after hundreds of rights groups and related activist organizations as part of a massive campaign to force them to register as foreign agents. The authorities are seeking to define political so broadly as to make any involvement in public life that is not controlled by the government off-limits, Williamson said. They are also trying to tarnish groups with the foreign agents label, which in Russia can only mean spy.
And what about Ecuador? Why, just two weeks ago, this country that is apparently on Snowdens list of possible future homes passed new rules that impede free expression. The statute, called the Communications Law, prohibits anyone from disseminating information through the media that might undermine the prestige or credibility of a person or institution (you know, like revealing a government-sponsored surveillance program). The law also places burdens on journalists, making them subject to civil or criminal penalties for publishing information that serves to undermine the security of the state (you know, like revealing a government-sponsored surveillance program).
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http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/errors-edward-snowden-global-hypocrisy-tour
Some links from the piece:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/18/china-benefit-masses-campaign-surveilling-tibetans
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/01/04/china-renewed-restrictions-send-online-chill
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/03/russiaeu-focus-rights-summit
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/17/ecuador-end-assault-free-speech
msongs
(67,381 posts)for-profit spying complexes
ProSense
(116,464 posts)dripping irony.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023110603
JI7
(89,244 posts)does Snowden still want to go there ? there sure is a lot of hypocrisy.
emulatorloo
(44,106 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)oppression than one ASSUMES one is undermining. Pretending that what we don't know doesn't matter can be very dangerous. Opposition to the police-state that can't recognize that fact is NOT to be trusted. It assumes tyranny the police-state does, only under a different flag and by means of a more distributed agency.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)That targets essentially everyone and all of their electronic communications?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Have you heard that the NSA is engaged in a massive surveillance program"
...I'm aware of the reports: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3112101
Now, what does that have to do with the point of the OP?
Response to ProSense (Original post)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)"still trying to bury the message by burying the messanger?? Pathetic. How much do you get paid for these posts?"
...still trying to focus on me instead of the rank hypocrisy? I mean, the irony in your post is thick. If anything is "pathetic" is attacking me as "paid" because you can't deal with the facts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023110603
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112999
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)At Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:19 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
still trying to bury the message by burying the messanger?? Pathetic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3113122
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
YOUR COMMENTS:
"How much do you get paid for these posts?"
Over-the-top accusation the OP is paid to post on DU. This accusation is repeatedly hurled at Prosense (and not at others who post just as much and sometimes more). If anyone has proof that this is true I'd like to see. Otherwise it's a baseless, rude lie. Please hide. Thank you.
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:28 PM, and voted 6-0 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, I know it won't be hidden. I'm consistently voting to hide these though.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: ProSense should get paid for these posts. She puts a lot of work into the research so I don't have to. So, Hide the personal attack and pay ProSense.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: This kind of baseless accusation adds nothing to the conversation.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Too strong of a personal attack. Suggesting that the op is being paid to post on DU is very offensive.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: The constant picking on ProSense is what is pathetic. I find the blind adoration of Snowden pathetic. I also find it pathetic when people stifle freedom of speech with ridiculous accusations.
Thank you.
Good job jury!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)flamingdem
(39,312 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)6-0, not bad!
Cha
(297,047 posts)are similar to what I think everytime I see a poster whining with some trumped of charge of "she gets paid"
So many have gotten their posts hidden because of this.. you'd think they'd catch on and stop trying to stifle freedom of speech.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Cha
(297,047 posts)& Juror #6
The constant picking on ProSense is what is pathetic. I find the blind adoration of Snowden pathetic. I also find it pathetic when people stifle freedom of speech with ridiculous accusations
There is nothing (okay, not much) that is profound about this short post. It's pretty simple and straight forward. It's terribly dualistic. But here it is.
There are those people who have as their approach to life - responsible action. They see problems. They see needs. They see what is wrong with the world. And . . . they know what needs to be done about those things. They know why it needs to be done. And they are motivated to get it done. So they do it. These are the people who wind up being called leaders.
Then there are those who see the problems, the needs and what is wrong . . . and they whine. They complain. They criticize. They may even wail and mourn. But they don't take responsible action. They whine.
http://lci.typepad.com/leaders_resourcing_leader/2009/10/responsible-action-or-whine-away-your-choice.html
Snort~
GreatWine, a #1~~~Whiners= Sour Grapes! Bye bye
Cha
(297,047 posts)I've saving that!
Mahalo, she~ To our Great Leaders who definitely are not whiners.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)It won't make a damn bit of difference.
People will still accuse Prosense of being a "paid shill" as if that makes one damn bit of sense. Word to the wise Einsteins, THESE are the people that you need to be worried about. Not a pro-Democrat DEMOCRAT on a DEMOCRATIC web site
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3115076
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)...having an agenda. I see that term tossed at ProSense repeatedly. Like there is something suspect about supporting the President.
Before I ever came to DU I used to frequent the political chatrooms on AOL (go ahead laugh). They had ones for Democrats, ones for Republicans etc. When you went to the one for Democrats, 3/4's of the people there were right-wing nutjobs mucking the place up with nonsense and insulting those there who were actual Dems. Sometimes I feel as if I'm back there now.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)Im gonna tell you fascists
You may be surprised
The people in this world
Are getting organized ...
Race hatred cannot stop us
This one thing we know
Your poll tax and Jim Crow
And greed has got to go ...
Im going into this battle
And take my union gun
Well end this world of slavery
Before this battles won ...
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Fortunately most are focused on the gov illegalities, that concern each and everyone of us a million times more than Mr. Snowden.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Cha
(297,047 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)unconstitutional, THE PEOPLE must collectively assume responsibility to make those decisions and collectively make that happen, not freelancing, fundamentally and vitally un- or mis-informed rogue ideologues who engage in behaviors that can cause others to be killed without even asking those people if they choose to die for whatever the alleged value may or may not be.
Cha
(297,047 posts)Russia gets rid of their Leakers to make room for ours.
thanks ProSense
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We should set the example.
How can you be free when your government knows who you call, when and how long you talk (or text)?
We know that Russia and China and maybe Ecuador are not free. But we thought we were free.
We aren't. And that is the sad truth of it.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)How does the government "know" who I call? Because my phone records - along with MILLIONS of phone records - are being compiled somewhere?
That's like saying the people who publish phone books "know" something about each individual listed therein. Name, address, phone number - there for all to see. And yet the average phone book printer, distributor, owner "knows" NOTHING about the people whose info is right there, in black and white, easily accessed.
I never felt threatened by the phone book that landed with a thud on my porch every twelve months. And I don't feel threatened now.
I'm one needle in a haystack of mammoth proportions, as are you. And if you think anyone, anywhere, is the least bit interested in "knowing" who you called and for how long, you are either paranoid in the extreme, or you have a sense of self-importance to beat the band.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)In many cases I believe it's the latter.
Ya' know..."The government is spying on meeeeeeee..!!" "Meeeeee..!!1!" "ME!"
As if.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Some people need to live in the world of "as if", because they are more important there than in the world of "as is".
ProSense
(116,464 posts)glee that other countries are using this as an opportunity to dig the United States.
It's a one-sided affair because a disgruntled American decided to flee the country and reveal its state secrets.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Wednesday that she had a constructive conversation with President Barack Obama regarding the National Security Agency's surveillance programs.
Speaking through a translator at a joint news conference with Obama in Berlin, Merkel said it's "important, necessary" to debate the issues surrounding the surveillance. She noted "quite a lot of instances" wherein Germany had obtained information from the United States.
"I think today was an important first step in the right direction," Merkel said of her discussions with Obama.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/merkel-important-necessary-to-debate-nsa-surveillance
There was also the report about British spying.
All these countries engage in spying.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)It was an OP from someone stupid enough to say that other countries were MAD at us because of the NSA program. It's hard to take anyone seriously that believes such utter and complete nonsense.
It was a Kos diary that had a list of comments from Germany, Australia, Brussels and some other countries and the source for many of the comments was an Arab newspaper/blog that I'd never heard of. I posted a link to an article from The Real World that showed that the Aussies are not only NOT pissed about the revelation of this program, they ACTUALLY USE THE DATA FROM PRISM in their own spying capabilities. And you know what else? I'm willing to bet everything in my wallet right now that a butt load of those other countries not only have their own spying programs, but utilize information from their allies which would also include info from PRISM.
The Patriot Act sucks and is a blight on this country. But ignorant people pushing moronic agendas are another.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Cha
(297,047 posts)they think is so much better than the USA.