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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:31 PM

 

Torture, drones, spying on us...


Time to regift that Peace Prize, imo. If you win it for being NOTGEORGEBUSH, and then you continue much of his work/legacy, you should send that NPP back.

Also, flame the hell away. I'm on the final countdown for paying attention to national politics (a lifelong hobby/habit/obsession) anyway.

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Reply Torture, drones, spying on us... (Original post)
elehhhhna Jun 2013 OP
upaloopa Jun 2013 #1
Demit Jun 2013 #2
baldguy Jun 2013 #3
WinkyDink Jun 2013 #4
baldguy Jun 2013 #7
LineLineLineLineReply +
AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #39
WinkyDink Jun 2013 #49
kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #32
eaglesclaw Jun 2013 #38
baldguy Jun 2013 #44
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #9
baldguy Jun 2013 #11
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #15
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16
baldguy Jun 2013 #18
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #22
baldguy Jun 2013 #26
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #17
Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #34
baldguy Jun 2013 #36
Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #37
eaglesclaw Jun 2013 #42
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #45
baldguy Jun 2013 #43
Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #48
Aerows Jun 2013 #19
baldguy Jun 2013 #20
Aerows Jun 2013 #25
baldguy Jun 2013 #28
Aerows Jun 2013 #30
Hydra Jun 2013 #5
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6
Aerows Jun 2013 #21
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #23
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #40
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #46
gcomeau Jun 2013 #8
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #10
emulatorloo Jun 2013 #12
LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #29
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #13
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #24
great white snark Jun 2013 #31
elehhhhna Jun 2013 #35
Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #14
sibelian Jun 2013 #52
Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #53
Kolesar Jun 2013 #27
Scurrilous Jun 2013 #33
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #41
MirrorAshes Jun 2013 #47
sibelian Jun 2013 #50
tblue Jun 2013 #51

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:40 PM

1. My view is these years are surely not what I expected they would

be on election night 2008.
Or in other words if I had a crystal ball to see into the future back then I would not have been so happy.

I surely am no Obama hater but my guess is history will not record his 8 years as those of a great President.
I understand what he is up against but that doesn't change how history will be written.
I'm not looking forward to any good things coming from this administration in the next 3 years.
I stopped contributing to the DNC yesterday.


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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:41 PM

2. I hear you.

 

I paid attention because I thought there was always a counterpoint, a balance, to the nefarious ones, and I thought things would eventually right themselves. Probably not going to happen. Not in my lifetime.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:43 PM

3. Who did Obama torture?

 

The only thing being tortured is Glenn Greenwald's imagination.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:46 PM

4. When was Gitmo closed? I missed the date.

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:49 PM

7. And the reason that matters is......?

 

This is just perpetuating the standard loony libertarian Obama hate on DU. You know full well that it's the GOP House that's blocking Gitmo from being closed.

QUIT WITH THE FUCKING LIES!!!!!!

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Response to baldguy (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:44 PM

39. +

 

Thank you for knocking the narrative back onto the reality track ... on edit I'd like to mention that some Democrats joined the GOP in legislation making it impossible to close Guantanamo. WTF is that all about?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:46 PM

49. Okey-doke. Let me know, then, when Obama mentions this at every opportunity.

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:27 PM

32. Ask your Congress. nt

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:43 PM

38. When the Illinois Prison was Opened

 

"Obama sought not to close Guantánamo but simply to re-locate it to Illinois" Greenwald

And who refused to allow the prison in Illinois?? Oh, republicans!!! Well how is that Obama's fault?

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Response to eaglesclaw (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:53 PM

44. Donchaknow? EVERYTHING is Obama's fault!

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:50 PM

9. google the forced feedings going on now a Gitmo and lemme know whatcha think

 

imo it's fucked up

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:55 PM

11. What's fucked up is having supposed progressives take the Tea Bagger route

 

and lay all the blame for everything wrong with the world at Obama's feet. Especially stuff which was created by Republicans, and the corrections for which are also being blocked by Republicans.

FUCKED UP!

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Response to baldguy (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:00 PM

15. I understand the challenges he's facing with Congress.

 

But he had a MANDATE and he's not pushing. He's been playing this bipartisan bullshit EXCEPT when he's campaigning. FACT.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:02 PM

16. What mandate did he have besides being NOTGEORGEBUSH? nt

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:03 PM

18. So you paint Obama as a fascist monster ready to murder his political opponents?

 

That's your OP.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:10 PM

22. reading comprehension not your strong suit?

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM

26. What is torture for? What do drones do?

 

Do you have any clue what you're talking about?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:02 PM

17. didn't look up the forced feedings then, did you?

 

way to change the subject


try to say something factual and substantive next time.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:35 PM

34. I bet he has some control on how the prisoners are treated. nt

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:38 PM

36. What? You mean like *KEEPING THEM ALIVE*?

 

As if our image in the Muslim world isn't bad enough? You'd want to have a few more detainees - INNOCENT DETAINEES - die in our prison?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:41 PM

37. I want them treated humanely.

Please don't be disingenuous.
The stories out of Gitmo on the treatment of the prisoners is appalling.
Peace, Mojo

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM

42. Foce feeding is treating them Humanly

 

Surely anyone trying to commit suicide is not in their right mind, and must be fed to keep them alive. That is not torture.

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Response to eaglesclaw (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:31 PM

45. okay

 

now that you've weighed in with this subtle, nuanced, well-thought-out argument, my mind is changed!

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM

43. And you can lay the responsability for that at the feet of the House GOP.

 

Blaming Obama borders of freeperish.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:16 AM

48. He is Commander in Chief of the military

All he has to do is say the word and the prisoner's living conditions would be improved. I am not talking about force feeding either. There are a multitude of stories that have
come out about the inhumane treatment of the prisoners. Your statement makes no sense at all.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:07 PM

19. Oh please

 

if you feign surprise that there is corruption in government - ANY government - you are likely shocked to discover peanut butter contains peanuts.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:10 PM

20. The only accusations that Obama is engaging in torture come from the Alex Jones wing of the GOP.

 

Do you believe Obama is directing the Black Helicopters & alien abductions too?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM

25. I don't know

 

You were the one that said all of that. I just stated that corruption is a problem in any government. Helicopters, aliens and Alex Jones was all you.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:18 PM

28. My post was questioning the idea of accusing Obama of totrure, and you seemed to take exception.

 

Perhaps you should read the OP.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:24 PM

30. Perhaps you should refrain from

 

knee-jerk reactions of shouting "Aliens, Helicopters and Alex Jones". Good lord. Hyperbole overload.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:46 PM

5. Money seems to have won the election

And the war, for that matter. The echo chamber in Washington is embarrassing. Sweeping bipartisanship on the issues you brought up, dead silence on the issues we need dealt with. Facts replaced by appeals to our fears or our naivety.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:47 PM

6. Death of DOMA, immigration reform, major climate change action

 

You chose an odd week to whine and put on the purity pout pose.

P.S. The complaining about the Nobel is so 2010

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:10 PM

21. Yes, but it never hurts to keep pressing forward

 

instead of resting on one's laurels. My apologies if I fail the rah-rah committee test and while I was delighted by the fall of section 3 of DOMA, I also recognize that we must keep pressing the agenda to the left, not merely sighing in delight that it didn't veer to the right again.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM

23. My comment isn't directed at you, but rather the person declaring the

 

Obama presidency the biggest disappointment and failure evah.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:46 PM

40. Obama's is taking the fight to the states next





Published on Jun 26, 2013

The fight doesn't end here, it only gets stronger: https://my.barackobama.com/page/signup/love-is-love

OFA will be taking this fight to the states. Join in—stand up for marriage equality.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:33 PM

46. scotus ain't he president, anyway. no credit for that.

 

someone should do a civics course 'round here.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:49 PM

8. Judging by your post..

 

...your countdown to stop paying attention expired some time ago and you failed to notice.

Probably because you weren't paying attention.

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Response to gcomeau (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:52 PM

10. bag it

 

I have been a huge contributor (of content - not $!) to DU and mark my words well: this will go downin history as the Bait and Switch presidency

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:58 PM

12. More likely DU will go down in history as the Internet's biggest Echo Chamber

I do hope Freeperville can hang onto its edge though.

Been around here a long time too, DU did not used to be such a bubble.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:24 PM

29. Bait and Switch Presidency

That says it all.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:59 PM

13. You should first do some reseach on WHY Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize.


Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize partly for his efforts on nuclear disarmament/non-proliferation (some of which he did while he was still a U.S. Senator)


The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

Oslo, October 9, 2009

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/...



Also, President Obama DONATED all of the prize money to various charities.


Obama Announces Charities Where He'll Donate Nobel Peace Prize Money

The White House announced the 10 charities where President Obama will donate the winnings from his Nobel Peace Prize. Among them is the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund to help with recovery from the massive earthquake earlier this year.

"These organizations do extraordinary work in the United States and abroad helping students, veterans and countless others in need. I'm proud to support their work." Obama said in a statement.

$250,000 to Fisher House

Fisher House is a national non-profit organization that provides housing for families of patients receiving medical care at major military and VA medical centers.

$200,000 to the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund

In the wake of the devastating earthquake in Haiti, President Obama asked former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton to create the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund to raise funds for long-term relief efforts in Haiti.

$125,000 to College Summit

College Summit is a national non-profit organization that partners with elementary and middle schools and school districts to strengthen college-going culture and increase college enrollment rates, so that all students graduate from high school career and college-ready.

$125,000 to the Posse Foundation

The Posse Foundation is a national non-profit organization that identifies public high school students with extraordinary academic and leadership potential who may be overlooked by traditional college selection processes. Posse's college and university partners award Posse Scholars four-year, full-tuition leadership scholarships. The scholars graduate at a rate of 90 percent.

$125,000 to the United Negro College Fund

The United Negro College Fund plays a critical role in enabling more than 60,000 students each year to attend college through scholarship and internship programs.

$125,000 to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund

The Hispanic Scholarship Fund (HSF) is the nation's leading Hispanic scholarship organization, providing the Hispanic community more college scholarships and educational outreach support than any other organization in the country. In its 34 year history, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund has awarded close to $280M in scholarships to more than 90,000 students in need.

$125,000 to the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation

A non-profit organization funded by foundations and companies, ALEF supports and enables young men and women from Appalachia to pursue higher education though scholarship and leadership curriculum.

$125,000 to the American Indian College Fund

The American Indian College Fund transforms Indian higher education by funding and creating awareness of the unique, community-based accredited Tribal Colleges and Universities, offering students access to knowledge, skills, and cultural values which enhance their communities and the country as a whole. The Fund disburses approximately 6,000 scholarships annually for American Indian students seeking to better their lives through higher education. The Fund also provides support for tribal college needs, ranging from capital support to cultural preservation curricula.

$100,000 to AfriCare


AfriCare was founded in 1970 and has more projects in Africa than any other U.S. based charity, reaching communities in 25 countries, primarily in Sub-Saharan Africa. Its programs address needs in three principal areas: health and HIV/AIDS; food security and agriculture; and water resource development.

$100,000 to the Central Asia Institute

The Central Asia Institute promotes and supports community-based education and literacy, especially for girls, in remote regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Institute's co-founder, Greg Mortenson, was also a Nobel Peace Prize nominee this year, whose book, Three Cups of Tea: One Man's Mission to Promote Peace, One School at a Time, recounts his attempt to successfully establish dozens of schools and promote girls' education in rural Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/obama-announces-charities-where-hell-donate-nobel-peace-prize-money.php?ref=fpa


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM

24. Thank you TX4. From your post;

 

"Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics"

I suspect that's changed since the spying leak/s.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:25 PM

31. So no correction of your statement after reading that?

Just moving goalpoats. Not surprised.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:36 PM

35. Who are you? TX4's lawyer?

 


Got anything to actually contribute?

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:59 PM

14. Obama was awarded the Nobel for being NOTGEORGEBUSH?

Who knew that was one of the categories for consideration?

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:32 AM

52. Difficult to see what he had done at the point he was awarded it for the cause of peace.


Oh, it was a lot of fun, don't get me wrong...

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Response to sibelian (Reply #52)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:41 AM

53. It's not at all "difficult to see" ...

The reasons for Obama being chosen as a recipient are readily available.

Try Google (it can actually BE your friend, if you care to educate yourself). And being NOTGEORGEBUSH was not a category.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:17 PM

27. Close the door to keep more of you pests out on the way...eom

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:30 PM

33. The final countdown you say?






Gobama!!

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:47 PM

41. Considering you obviously don't know why he was awarded the NPP, I'm not sure your absence will.....

be noticed. What a blow to the body politick!

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:49 PM

47. The paranoia is getting comical at this point

What reality are you living in?

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:13 AM

50. K+R

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:29 AM

51. Don't go anywhere.

I need you. Go take a break. It will help you refuel. We all need to. I need to too.

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