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elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:31 PM Jun 2013

Torture, drones, spying on us...


Time to regift that Peace Prize, imo. If you win it for being NOTGEORGEBUSH, and then you continue much of his work/legacy, you should send that NPP back.

Also, flame the hell away. I'm on the final countdown for paying attention to national politics (a lifelong hobby/habit/obsession) anyway.
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Torture, drones, spying on us... (Original Post) elehhhhna Jun 2013 OP
My view is these years are surely not what I expected they would upaloopa Jun 2013 #1
I hear you. Demit Jun 2013 #2
Who did Obama torture? baldguy Jun 2013 #3
When was Gitmo closed? I missed the date. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #4
And the reason that matters is......? baldguy Jun 2013 #7
+ AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #39
Okey-doke. Let me know, then, when Obama mentions this at every opportunity. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #49
Ask your Congress. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #32
When the Illinois Prison was Opened eaglesclaw Jun 2013 #38
Donchaknow? EVERYTHING is Obama's fault! baldguy Jun 2013 #44
google the forced feedings going on now a Gitmo and lemme know whatcha think elehhhhna Jun 2013 #9
What's fucked up is having supposed progressives take the Tea Bagger route baldguy Jun 2013 #11
I understand the challenges he's facing with Congress. elehhhhna Jun 2013 #15
What mandate did he have besides being NOTGEORGEBUSH? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16
So you paint Obama as a fascist monster ready to murder his political opponents? baldguy Jun 2013 #18
reading comprehension not your strong suit? elehhhhna Jun 2013 #22
What is torture for? What do drones do? baldguy Jun 2013 #26
didn't look up the forced feedings then, did you? elehhhhna Jun 2013 #17
I bet he has some control on how the prisoners are treated. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #34
What? You mean like *KEEPING THEM ALIVE*? baldguy Jun 2013 #36
I want them treated humanely. Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #37
Foce feeding is treating them Humanly eaglesclaw Jun 2013 #42
okay elehhhhna Jun 2013 #45
And you can lay the responsability for that at the feet of the House GOP. baldguy Jun 2013 #43
He is Commander in Chief of the military Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #48
Oh please Aerows Jun 2013 #19
The only accusations that Obama is engaging in torture come from the Alex Jones wing of the GOP. baldguy Jun 2013 #20
I don't know Aerows Jun 2013 #25
My post was questioning the idea of accusing Obama of totrure, and you seemed to take exception. baldguy Jun 2013 #28
Perhaps you should refrain from Aerows Jun 2013 #30
Money seems to have won the election Hydra Jun 2013 #5
Death of DOMA, immigration reform, major climate change action geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6
Yes, but it never hurts to keep pressing forward Aerows Jun 2013 #21
My comment isn't directed at you, but rather the person declaring the geek tragedy Jun 2013 #23
Obama's is taking the fight to the states next Tx4obama Jun 2013 #40
scotus ain't he president, anyway. no credit for that. elehhhhna Jun 2013 #46
Judging by your post.. gcomeau Jun 2013 #8
bag it elehhhhna Jun 2013 #10
More likely DU will go down in history as the Internet's biggest Echo Chamber emulatorloo Jun 2013 #12
Bait and Switch Presidency LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #29
You should first do some reseach on WHY Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #13
Thank you TX4. From your post; elehhhhna Jun 2013 #24
So no correction of your statement after reading that? great white snark Jun 2013 #31
Who are you? TX4's lawyer? elehhhhna Jun 2013 #35
Obama was awarded the Nobel for being NOTGEORGEBUSH? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #14
Difficult to see what he had done at the point he was awarded it for the cause of peace. sibelian Jun 2013 #52
It's not at all "difficult to see" ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #53
Close the door to keep more of you pests out on the way...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #27
The final countdown you say? Scurrilous Jun 2013 #33
Considering you obviously don't know why he was awarded the NPP, I'm not sure your absence will..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #41
The paranoia is getting comical at this point MirrorAshes Jun 2013 #47
K+R sibelian Jun 2013 #50
Don't go anywhere. tblue Jun 2013 #51

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. My view is these years are surely not what I expected they would
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jun 2013

be on election night 2008.
Or in other words if I had a crystal ball to see into the future back then I would not have been so happy.

I surely am no Obama hater but my guess is history will not record his 8 years as those of a great President.
I understand what he is up against but that doesn't change how history will be written.
I'm not looking forward to any good things coming from this administration in the next 3 years.
I stopped contributing to the DNC yesterday.


 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
2. I hear you.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jun 2013

I paid attention because I thought there was always a counterpoint, a balance, to the nefarious ones, and I thought things would eventually right themselves. Probably not going to happen. Not in my lifetime.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
7. And the reason that matters is......?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

This is just perpetuating the standard loony libertarian Obama hate on DU. You know full well that it's the GOP House that's blocking Gitmo from being closed.

QUIT WITH THE FUCKING LIES!!!!!!

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
39. +
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:44 PM
Jun 2013

Thank you for knocking the narrative back onto the reality track ... on edit I'd like to mention that some Democrats joined the GOP in legislation making it impossible to close Guantanamo. WTF is that all about?

 

eaglesclaw

(15 posts)
38. When the Illinois Prison was Opened
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jun 2013

"Obama sought not to close Guantánamo but simply to re-locate it to Illinois" Greenwald

And who refused to allow the prison in Illinois?? Oh, republicans!!! Well how is that Obama's fault?

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
9. google the forced feedings going on now a Gitmo and lemme know whatcha think
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:50 PM
Jun 2013

imo it's fucked up

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
11. What's fucked up is having supposed progressives take the Tea Bagger route
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jun 2013

and lay all the blame for everything wrong with the world at Obama's feet. Especially stuff which was created by Republicans, and the corrections for which are also being blocked by Republicans.

FUCKED UP!

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
15. I understand the challenges he's facing with Congress.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jun 2013

But he had a MANDATE and he's not pushing. He's been playing this bipartisan bullshit EXCEPT when he's campaigning. FACT.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. So you paint Obama as a fascist monster ready to murder his political opponents?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jun 2013

That's your OP.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
17. didn't look up the forced feedings then, did you?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jun 2013

way to change the subject


try to say something factual and substantive next time.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
36. What? You mean like *KEEPING THEM ALIVE*?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

As if our image in the Muslim world isn't bad enough? You'd want to have a few more detainees - INNOCENT DETAINEES - die in our prison?

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
37. I want them treated humanely.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jun 2013

Please don't be disingenuous.
The stories out of Gitmo on the treatment of the prisoners is appalling.
Peace, Mojo

 

eaglesclaw

(15 posts)
42. Foce feeding is treating them Humanly
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jun 2013

Surely anyone trying to commit suicide is not in their right mind, and must be fed to keep them alive. That is not torture.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
45. okay
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:31 PM
Jun 2013

now that you've weighed in with this subtle, nuanced, well-thought-out argument, my mind is changed!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
43. And you can lay the responsability for that at the feet of the House GOP.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jun 2013

Blaming Obama borders of freeperish.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
48. He is Commander in Chief of the military
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jun 2013

All he has to do is say the word and the prisoner's living conditions would be improved. I am not talking about force feeding either. There are a multitude of stories that have
come out about the inhumane treatment of the prisoners. Your statement makes no sense at all.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. Oh please
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jun 2013

if you feign surprise that there is corruption in government - ANY government - you are likely shocked to discover peanut butter contains peanuts.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. The only accusations that Obama is engaging in torture come from the Alex Jones wing of the GOP.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

Do you believe Obama is directing the Black Helicopters & alien abductions too?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. I don't know
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

You were the one that said all of that. I just stated that corruption is a problem in any government. Helicopters, aliens and Alex Jones was all you.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
28. My post was questioning the idea of accusing Obama of totrure, and you seemed to take exception.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jun 2013

Perhaps you should read the OP.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. Perhaps you should refrain from
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

knee-jerk reactions of shouting "Aliens, Helicopters and Alex Jones". Good lord. Hyperbole overload.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. Money seems to have won the election
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jun 2013

And the war, for that matter. The echo chamber in Washington is embarrassing. Sweeping bipartisanship on the issues you brought up, dead silence on the issues we need dealt with. Facts replaced by appeals to our fears or our naivety.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Death of DOMA, immigration reform, major climate change action
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jun 2013

You chose an odd week to whine and put on the purity pout pose.

P.S. The complaining about the Nobel is so 2010

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. Yes, but it never hurts to keep pressing forward
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

instead of resting on one's laurels. My apologies if I fail the rah-rah committee test and while I was delighted by the fall of section 3 of DOMA, I also recognize that we must keep pressing the agenda to the left, not merely sighing in delight that it didn't veer to the right again.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. My comment isn't directed at you, but rather the person declaring the
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

Obama presidency the biggest disappointment and failure evah.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
40. Obama's is taking the fight to the states next
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jun 2013




Published on Jun 26, 2013

The fight doesn't end here, it only gets stronger: https://my.barackobama.com/page/signup/love-is-love

OFA will be taking this fight to the states. Join in—stand up for marriage equality.
 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
46. scotus ain't he president, anyway. no credit for that.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jun 2013

someone should do a civics course 'round here.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
8. Judging by your post..
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

...your countdown to stop paying attention expired some time ago and you failed to notice.

Probably because you weren't paying attention.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
10. bag it
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jun 2013

I have been a huge contributor (of content - not $!) to DU and mark my words well: this will go downin history as the Bait and Switch presidency

emulatorloo

(43,922 posts)
12. More likely DU will go down in history as the Internet's biggest Echo Chamber
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jun 2013

I do hope Freeperville can hang onto its edge though.

Been around here a long time too, DU did not used to be such a bubble.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
13. You should first do some reseach on WHY Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jun 2013

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize partly for his efforts on nuclear disarmament/non-proliferation (some of which he did while he was still a U.S. Senator)


The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

Oslo, October 9, 2009

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/...



Also, President Obama DONATED all of the prize money to various charities.


Obama Announces Charities Where He'll Donate Nobel Peace Prize Money

The White House announced the 10 charities where President Obama will donate the winnings from his Nobel Peace Prize. Among them is the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund to help with recovery from the massive earthquake earlier this year.

"These organizations do extraordinary work in the United States and abroad helping students, veterans and countless others in need. I'm proud to support their work." Obama said in a statement.

$250,000 to Fisher House

Fisher House is a national non-profit organization that provides housing for families of patients receiving medical care at major military and VA medical centers.

$200,000 to the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund

In the wake of the devastating earthquake in Haiti, President Obama asked former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton to create the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund to raise funds for long-term relief efforts in Haiti.

$125,000 to College Summit

College Summit is a national non-profit organization that partners with elementary and middle schools and school districts to strengthen college-going culture and increase college enrollment rates, so that all students graduate from high school career and college-ready.

$125,000 to the Posse Foundation

The Posse Foundation is a national non-profit organization that identifies public high school students with extraordinary academic and leadership potential who may be overlooked by traditional college selection processes. Posse's college and university partners award Posse Scholars four-year, full-tuition leadership scholarships. The scholars graduate at a rate of 90 percent.

$125,000 to the United Negro College Fund

The United Negro College Fund plays a critical role in enabling more than 60,000 students each year to attend college through scholarship and internship programs.

$125,000 to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund

The Hispanic Scholarship Fund (HSF) is the nation's leading Hispanic scholarship organization, providing the Hispanic community more college scholarships and educational outreach support than any other organization in the country. In its 34 year history, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund has awarded close to $280M in scholarships to more than 90,000 students in need.

$125,000 to the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation

A non-profit organization funded by foundations and companies, ALEF supports and enables young men and women from Appalachia to pursue higher education though scholarship and leadership curriculum.

$125,000 to the American Indian College Fund

The American Indian College Fund transforms Indian higher education by funding and creating awareness of the unique, community-based accredited Tribal Colleges and Universities, offering students access to knowledge, skills, and cultural values which enhance their communities and the country as a whole. The Fund disburses approximately 6,000 scholarships annually for American Indian students seeking to better their lives through higher education. The Fund also provides support for tribal college needs, ranging from capital support to cultural preservation curricula.

$100,000 to AfriCare


AfriCare was founded in 1970 and has more projects in Africa than any other U.S. based charity, reaching communities in 25 countries, primarily in Sub-Saharan Africa. Its programs address needs in three principal areas: health and HIV/AIDS; food security and agriculture; and water resource development.

$100,000 to the Central Asia Institute

The Central Asia Institute promotes and supports community-based education and literacy, especially for girls, in remote regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Institute's co-founder, Greg Mortenson, was also a Nobel Peace Prize nominee this year, whose book, Three Cups of Tea: One Man's Mission to Promote Peace, One School at a Time, recounts his attempt to successfully establish dozens of schools and promote girls' education in rural Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/obama-announces-charities-where-hell-donate-nobel-peace-prize-money.php?ref=fpa


 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
24. Thank you TX4. From your post;
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

"Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics"

I suspect that's changed since the spying leak/s.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
14. Obama was awarded the Nobel for being NOTGEORGEBUSH?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jun 2013

Who knew that was one of the categories for consideration?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
52. Difficult to see what he had done at the point he was awarded it for the cause of peace.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:32 AM
Jun 2013

Oh, it was a lot of fun, don't get me wrong...

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
53. It's not at all "difficult to see" ...
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:41 AM
Jun 2013

The reasons for Obama being chosen as a recipient are readily available.

Try Google (it can actually BE your friend, if you care to educate yourself). And being NOTGEORGEBUSH was not a category.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
41. Considering you obviously don't know why he was awarded the NPP, I'm not sure your absence will.....
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jun 2013

be noticed. What a blow to the body politick!

tblue

(16,350 posts)
51. Don't go anywhere.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:29 AM
Jun 2013

I need you. Go take a break. It will help you refuel. We all need to. I need to too.

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