Freepers rely on DU for good information and discussion...

[SeattleVet]

without getting kicked off (yet):


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3037397/posts

To: Perdogg; admin
It appears to me that there is significantly less interest in the Snowden case here on FR than there was early on as evidenced by the weak response to your very important post. The new charts tell us much more than the original set and should be reviewed by interested Freepers, particularly by those who post to your thread.

In contrast, the DU thread on this subject is getting a lot of attention and some surprisingly (for the DU) interesting comments.

I'm assuming it is OK to link to DU but I could be wrong. If so Admin should delete this post. In any case, here is the DU link:

DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014522748

20 posted on June 30, 2013 9:18:52 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint
“In contrast, the DU thread on this subject is getting a lot of attention and some surprisingly (for the DU) interesting comments.”

Great point. Thanks for the link, was very interesting.


25 posted on June 30, 2013 10:46:04 AM PDT by Cedar
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[Flashmann]

1. Freepers rely on DU for good information and discussion

So...Who reads it to them and explains the big words?

[47of74]

3. Not me, I have not been able to...

...find enough one syllable words to do the job.

[In_The_Wind]

2. Gotta love it!

[Ian David]

4. It appears that some of us are doing their work for them. n/t

[Notafraidtoo]

9. Someone else always does their work for them..

They don't fact check or know how, that is the main reason they are Republican. Because they lack these skills they go through life simply repeating and believing what they are told or see in a chain email,face book or a shady website like the Blaze.

If my favorite news source was inaccurate and then did nothing to correct the inaccuracy I would not only be pissed that i was lied to but i would no longer be able to trust the source. I think most rational people feel this way but Republicans have no issue with this,If it fits a world view they want it doesn't matter if its untrue.

[SidDithers]

17. +1...nt

Sid

[flamingdem]

18. ++

[dkf]

27. This surveillance is a Republican operation.

Look which party supports it more. It's not the Democrats.

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. Like someone from a totalitarian state observing how people in a free country are able to disagree

with their leaders - I rejoice that Freepers can see that not all of us are brainwashed robots. I can only think it a positive thing that some right-wingers might notice that very liberal Democrats who had supported President Obama are capable of thinking critically and independently and will if the cause is truly righteous put principle ahead of blind partisanship. Perhaps some of them might even learn from our example.

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. +1 n/t

[YeahSureRight]

13. They are not that bright their hate will consume them they are incapable of prolonged rational thoug

But hey why not put a positive spin on it if it makes ya feel good!
Abandon all hope with dealing with the Freep Crowd.

[LWolf]

15. But can they punctuate? nt

[LWolf]

19. How special.

[Douglas Carpenter]

20. perhaps I have a loftier view of human nature - but sometimes I think many disagreements are one

big misunderstanding. Of course that doesn't mean all disagreements with everyone. Like Thomas Franks argued in his wonderful book, What's the Matter with Kansas a lot - not all - but a lot of working class right-wingers which I suspect accounts for most Freepers are driven by a misguided sense of class struggle. Rather than rebellion against the power of class favoritism and privilege they have been bamboozled to react against the "liberal elite" Just as in earlier times working class anger was channeled and still is into institutions such as Xenophobia, racism and anti-Semitism. I think working class right-wingism is usually to a very large extent a misguided form of class struggle.

[YeahSureRight]

24. Sigh good luck being a peace maker they are dead to me, beyond hope or help.

[Gman]

6. I think they just look at the pictures

[rdharma]

8. The heads are probably exploding over on conservativecave.com!

[yellowcanine]

10. They are just doing "opposition research"

[NoGOPZone]

11. It's only fair, we rely on them for the laughs. nt

[rdharma]

12. They're good for that! nt

[LittleBlue]

14. I hope they continue to read

Converts are welcome

[frylock]

21. perhaps threads on NSA surveillance aren't gaining traction over there because they support it

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. You know this is difficult for them. Because ouside of the real libertarians among them - they

criticize Obama for being too soft - for allowing suspects to "lawyer up" - How can they possibly reverse all of that? I noticed on my own Facebook experience- there are some right-wingers I know from my high school days in a small rural Pennsylvania town - they want to bash Obama on these kind of issues - but when I join in an tell them - YES -I am very upset about this matter too. They all shut up. They want to bash Obama - but they don't want to come out and say that that they want to dismantle the surveillance state or end the drone strikes or whatever. I really don't think this issue is going to work for the advantage of the Republicans - because it would require them to reverse their long standing position of accusing the Democrats of being too ACLU like pro-civil libertarian.

[Skittles]

26. NO SHIT

[Quantess]

35. Exactly. (no text)

[okaawhatever]

22. We've caught the tea partiers/Rand Paul supporters, Republicans and i've noticed alof of freepers

from other countries. They're just wasting my time. I hope DU administration does something. All they're doing is clogging up the post boards. They are adding the same stories every day and they getting each other to recommend. Yawn, but I hate having to go through them.

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. personally I think it is time for DU Admin to make defending authoritarianism a TOS violation

the same way it was a TOS violation to oppose marriage equality even when that was still the position of the Obama Administration and the position of most prominent national Democratic Party leaders. We can all agree to disagree about how much the Obama Administration is to blame for the emergence and expansion of this massive surveillance state. But there is no excuse for defending it now. And as you correctly point out - it is only a small handful of trouble makers who keep posting their authoritarian nonsense. I never in my wildest nightmares imagined that someday I would have to defend the foundations principles of liberal western democracy on a Democratic forum. If someone was posting that nonsense back 2007 - they would almost certainly have been TS's very quickly.

[Summer Hathaway]

28. I definitely think

you should take this up directly with the Admins.

Maybe you should include the names of all the posters who disagree with your opinions, just so they know who to get rid of.

Oh - and be sure to put me on the list.

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. not at all. I had just assumed that commitment to western democracy was an underlining assumption

I am still in a state of shock that some here don't believe in it

[Summer Hathaway]

30. What some here don't believe in

is what a bunch of people on a political discussion board tell them they should believe in.

[Douglas Carpenter]

31. fine, just don't call those of us who do believe in liberal western democracy names when we are only

stating what liberals have always believed and 99.99% here on DU would have been arguing back in 2007

[Summer Hathaway]

32. Oh, did I "call you names"?

I hadn't noticed that.

There's nothing like paranoia to bring out the persecution complex, huh?

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. no you have not. But we are seeing constant comments suggesting those of us who are against the ever

increasing surveillance state are Paulbots, libertarians and freepers and whatever. When they are the one abandoning liberal and democratic principles and we are the ones fighting to keep them.

[Summer Hathaway]

34. Well, then we're back to my original reply

I think you should take it up with the Admins. There should be no place here for people who call other people names.

Of course, were such a rule enforced, there'd be no one left here.

[HiPointDem]

36. +1. but most of the folks defending it are not going anywhere & there will never be such

a rule.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. you are almost certainly right that there is never going to be such a rule. I once assumed all

Americans as a people were opposed to authoritarianism. Then I discovered many Republicans do not share that value. I'm still in a state of shock to learn that not only most Republicans - but a significant number of Democrats also simply don't believe in one of the core constitutional values of liberal western democracy. My mind just cannot wrap around the idea that 9/11 caused such a reactionary backlash that even many self-identified liberals no longer believe in one of the most absolute of all liberal values.

[HiPointDem]

38. i doubt they are liberals. more like libertarians. soft on sex & drugs, hard on crime & money.

[Coyotl]

39. I call BS

So, one of them reads DU. What do you expect when so many troll here?