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gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:23 PM Jul 2013

Updated poll on George Zimmerman trial guessing the verdict

Last edited Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:35 PM - Edit history (1)

At this point of the trail now-what do you think the outcome will be?


14 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Acquittal
6 (43%)
Hung Jury
1 (7%)
Aggravated Battery
0 (0%)
Manslaughter
5 (36%)
Second Degree Murder
2 (14%)
Other
0 (0%)
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Updated poll on George Zimmerman trial guessing the verdict (Original Post) gopiscrap Jul 2013 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #1
Hung jury means that there are some jurors gopiscrap Jul 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #3
It's up to the DA at that point, premium Jul 2013 #5
Any charge that there is acquittal on is not retriable gopiscrap Jul 2013 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #32
It means the jury can't reach a decision (6-0 for conviction or acquittal in this case) PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #4
Hooray for Pepe! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #23
I don't mind being the first (and only) vote for a prediction of second degree murder so far quinnox Jul 2013 #6
There is no way the state has proven 2nd Murder, premium Jul 2013 #8
we shall see, I think the jury may send a strong message quinnox Jul 2013 #9
Possible, premium Jul 2013 #12
I'm also starting to think they have a solid case for 2nd Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #28
I hope you're right. giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #29
If not hung jury (there will likely be at least one bigot/gun lover on jury), . . . . .manslaughter. Hoyt Jul 2013 #10
So predictable, premium Jul 2013 #13
You are consistent too . . . . . . Hoyt Jul 2013 #19
I agree with you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #22
Uh huh. premium Jul 2013 #25
You got it all wrong Hoyt, as usual, premium Jul 2013 #24
I'm going with Second Degree Murder. William769 Jul 2013 #11
Hey, why the hell not? premium Jul 2013 #14
I am retired from the State of Florida. William769 Jul 2013 #16
You're retired from FL Dept of Corrections, if I remember right? premium Jul 2013 #17
Yep thats me. William769 Jul 2013 #39
Well, I'm truly hoping you're right and I'm wrong. premium Jul 2013 #40
yep! libodem Jul 2013 #15
Yeah, I almost voted for that. HappyMe Jul 2013 #18
I didn't vote becaue I'm torn 50/50 between manslaughter and acquittal. Captain Stern Jul 2013 #20
And a very good attempt, premium Jul 2013 #26
Acquittal ermoore Jul 2013 #21
people roll around in fights so what does being on the top at one point prove? Little Star Jul 2013 #27
If you found yourself in a tussle with a hostile person who didn't want to let you get away Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #30
Zimmerman also followed him, and confronted him Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #36
Manslaughter, but I still have hope for 2nd degree Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #31
Second-Degree Murder ellisonz Jul 2013 #33
Getting more confident the state has a good case for 2nd. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #34
I am hoping so also gopiscrap Jul 2013 #35
I just don't see how the Jury can vote avebury Jul 2013 #37
true, it's getting more transparent as time goes on Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #41
Are you a Zimmerman supporter? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #42

Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
2. Hung jury means that there are some jurors
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jul 2013

who will vote acquittal and some will vote guilty and at some point the judge, seeing that there would be no compromise will declare a mistrial and the whole case will have to be tried again.

Response to gopiscrap (Reply #2)

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
5. It's up to the DA at that point,
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

they can either try the defendant again on the original charge, or they can charge the defendant with the lesser included charge in hopes of a conviction, or they can try to strike a deal.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
7. Any charge that there is acquittal on is not retriable
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jul 2013

the charge or charges in which there is a hung jury can be re tried

Response to gopiscrap (Reply #7)

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. It means the jury can't reach a decision (6-0 for conviction or acquittal in this case)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

If a single juror holds out and doesn't vote with the others eventually the judge will declare a mistrial.

The result is usually a retrial, trying the case all over with a different jury.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_jury

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
6. I don't mind being the first (and only) vote for a prediction of second degree murder so far
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

but I think it might happen, and surprise a lot of people.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
8. There is no way the state has proven 2nd Murder,
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

the best they can hope for at this point is Manslaughter, and with my experience in criminal trials, they'll be lucky to get that.
This prosecution has been, IMO, the equivalent of the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
9. we shall see, I think the jury may send a strong message
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

and might have seen things rather differently.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
12. Possible,
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

but, like I said, with my experience with testifying in criminal trials, for the state and defense, I just don't see that happening, I pray I'm wrong, but I usually have a good feel for this.

We will shortly see.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
28. I'm also starting to think they have a solid case for 2nd
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jul 2013

after listening yesterday to John Guy

He totally took me by surprise. Distilled all
of the very best points supporting the charges.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. I hope you're right.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jul 2013

But this case was a train wreck if I have ever seen one & I've seen some pretty crappy cases get tried. However, I do think the elements are there for 2d degree it is just going to come down to the jury's take on it & how they read the evidence.

Cross our fingers & hope for the conviction.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. If not hung jury (there will likely be at least one bigot/gun lover on jury), . . . . .manslaughter.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jul 2013
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. You are consistent too . . . . . .
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jul 2013

by voting you think he will be acquitted, but when pressed say he's guilty manslaughter, or it could be 2nd degree, or some other BS.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you and your gun buddies will celebrate if he gets off. Maybe not on DU, but somewhere.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
22. I agree with you
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jul 2013

that's the problem with fucking gun nuts...it's all about their god damn guns and to hell with everyone else.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
24. You got it all wrong Hoyt, as usual,
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013

I voted acquittal because that's what I believe will happen because of the ineptness of the state's case, however, I believe he's guilty of Manslaughter.
I won't be celebrating anything, which ever way the verdict turns out, nobody wins in this case, a young man is dead, and his family is devastated, another man's life is ruined no matter what the verdict is.

But you just keep on misrepresenting other people's views, you're very good at it.

William769

(55,144 posts)
16. I am retired from the State of Florida.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

Yes I am not always right, but if I was a betting man I would be on the plus side.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
17. You're retired from FL Dept of Corrections, if I remember right?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jul 2013

I salute you for a tough and thankless job, I'm retired FLEO and you couldn't pay me enough money to do what you did.
I just have this nagging feeling that GZ is going to either be acquitted or receive a hung jury, I hope not, but my experience in criminal proceedings, tells me otherwise.
We should know shortly.

William769

(55,144 posts)
39. Yep thats me.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

I have been to more court trials than I care to remember. It's just a feeling I got but like I said, I could be wrong.

Captain Stern

(2,199 posts)
20. I didn't vote becaue I'm torn 50/50 between manslaughter and acquittal.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jul 2013

I really wish there was a recording somewhere of the phone call between Trayvon and Rachel.

Do you think if one of the Attorneys subpoenaed the NSA for a recording of the call, they'd give it up? (That was an attempt at a joke)

ermoore

(486 posts)
21. Acquittal
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jul 2013

Considering that a couple of the state's witnesses testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him . . . I feel like he will probably be acquitted. And I'm not sure it won't be the right call either. Just sayin'.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
30. If you found yourself in a tussle with a hostile person who didn't want to let you get away
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

and he pulls a gun or you see he has his hand on
his gun
in a holster and you have the chance to
be on top, restrain him, and you try like hell to pin
his arms so he can't aim that gun at your heart...
yeah that works for me.

I don't think there was amoment from the time
Zimmerman got out of the car that he took his
hand off his gun. He was ready set to go.

He didn't have two hands to defend himself
once the fight started because he was keeping
one on the gun.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
36. Zimmerman also followed him, and confronted him
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

while carrying a loaded weapon. Trying to cherrypick out one moment and presenting Travyon as the aggressor because of it isn't rational. The "Stand Your Ground" law allows people (even black people) to defend themselves against someone like Zimmerman.

Zimmerman is clearly guilty of something. Manslaughter is a bare minimum.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
34. Getting more confident the state has a good case for 2nd.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jul 2013

I think he will NOT be acquitted.

There must be at least ONE woman on that jury
who would not acquit in a million years.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
35. I am hoping so also
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

and if the state refuses to retry I think there will be a lot of protesting going on

avebury

(10,951 posts)
37. I just don't see how the Jury can vote
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jul 2013

for acquittal. Martin could not conceivably done all of the things Zimmerman accused him of unless Martin was an octopus and a dwarf. I cannot get past Zimmerman's lies and attitude.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
38. true, it's getting more transparent as time goes on
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jul 2013

and the lies etc. are more indicative of depraved mind.

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