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Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:54 PM

Looks like the Z-trial jury deliberated through lunch.

Good...verdict appears imminent ....say by 4 pm - 5 pm per my guess. Oh...I saw this tidbit on MSNBC. Probably discussing degree of murder. Not guilty would not require detailed discussion ....All in my opinion.

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Reply Looks like the Z-trial jury deliberated through lunch. (Original post)
FarPoint Jul 2013 OP
Just Saying Jul 2013 #1
HockeyMom Jul 2013 #2
Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #4
Tx4obama Jul 2013 #18
Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #5
Bay Boy Jul 2013 #6
FarPoint Jul 2013 #7
HockeyMom Jul 2013 #35
NightWatcher Jul 2013 #10
gollygee Jul 2013 #11
HockeyMom Jul 2013 #49
Tx4obama Jul 2013 #12
Just Saying Jul 2013 #13
madaboutharry Jul 2013 #26
Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #3
Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #8
Hoyt Jul 2013 #36
pintobean Jul 2013 #9
Just Saying Jul 2013 #15
pintobean Jul 2013 #22
Just Saying Jul 2013 #23
pintobean Jul 2013 #30
Just Saying Jul 2013 #31
FarPoint Jul 2013 #16
woolldog Jul 2013 #17
FarPoint Jul 2013 #21
Post removed Jul 2013 #25
d_r Jul 2013 #27
Just Saying Jul 2013 #20
markiv Jul 2013 #40
Tx4obama Jul 2013 #14
Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #19
pnwmom Jul 2013 #24
FarPoint Jul 2013 #28
markiv Jul 2013 #29
Hugabear Jul 2013 #33
markiv Jul 2013 #34
Hugabear Jul 2013 #41
markiv Jul 2013 #45
Hugabear Jul 2013 #46
markiv Jul 2013 #47
Hugabear Jul 2013 #48
markiv Jul 2013 #50
Hoyt Jul 2013 #37
markiv Jul 2013 #38
Hoyt Jul 2013 #39
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #44
davidn3600 Jul 2013 #32
RebelOne Jul 2013 #42
FarPoint Jul 2013 #43
Deep13 Jul 2013 #51
Warpy Jul 2013 #52

Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:55 PM

1. Hope you're right. N/T

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:56 PM

2. Police has asked that the verdict

not be released until a weekday.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:57 PM

4. Do you have a link?

 

If so, that is stupid. If he is guilty, he should be taken straight to prison, if he is innocent, he should be allowed to know that, and go on his way.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:12 PM

18. IF found guilty the next step in Court is the 'penalty phase'


The Defendant will be placed in 'jail' until the penalty phase has been concluded, then after that he would be transferred to a prison.

In the Jodi Arias case she was found guilty by the jury - then during the penalty phase it was a hung jury. The guilty verdict stands but the penalty phase will be redone, the trial resumes July 18th. Arias is being held in a 'jail' not a 'prison'.



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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:57 PM

5. I am no fan of the defendent

but isn't that a bit unfair in the process?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:58 PM

6. They have no right to ask that..

...do you have a source to that request?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:58 PM

7. Screw the Sanford Police

and the dark horse the rode in on...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

35. Miami too

from what I read. Trayvon was from Miami.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:00 PM

10. It's cloudy down there. Why not release it when it starts raining

Then the overturned cop card won't easily be able to be set on fire.

They shouldn't give a tinker's damn about when the cops want them to do something.

Why not ask them to wait till welfare checks go out. Then all the black people will be too drunk off malt liquor to drive their Caddys to the scene of the riot.

The jury shouldn't do shit for the cops.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:02 PM

11. +1

for obvious stereotyping, and because juries don't work for the police department.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:40 PM

49. It's been raining every day for 2 months

Rainy Season now in Florida.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:05 PM

12. The Judge said if the jury reaches a verdict on the weekend it WILL be announced on the same day



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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:05 PM

13. I've heard this was discussed but the judge said she would not hold the verdict.

I'll have to look for more information.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:32 PM

26. Judge Nelson said it will be released within 15 minutes of her receiving notice of a verdict.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:56 PM

3. I like the way you think

although I profess ignorance to the process. Personally, I'm hoping for guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:59 PM

8. It took 9 days to find Robert Blake not guilty.

 

I wouldn't read too much into the wait, its only been about 8 hours.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:54 PM

36. Good point, but they were watching "Our Gang" and "Baretta" reruns the whole time.


He was one of my favorite actors from the time I saw "In Cold Blood." But, he didn't handle old age well. I was really surprised he got off on that one, although the victim did play him pretty well.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:59 PM

9. No they didn't.

 

"Jurors will pause deliberations from 12:00-1:00pm to eat lunch on site."
Michelle Kennedy, Public Information Officer for the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:08 PM

15. According to Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/13/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE96C07420130713

The judge said she will allow the jurors to set their own working hours. The six women worked through lunch on Saturday.

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Response to Just Saying (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:22 PM

22. I'll take the official word of the court

 

over a reporter who didn't give a source.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:24 PM

23. It's being reported all over.

From the word of the court, that statement was issued before lunch and its now well past lunchtime in Florida.

On edit: I personally don't consider an unverified twitter account "official."

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Response to Just Saying (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:12 PM

30. Well

 

Ho Lee Fuk

Reports about the jurors working through lunch were out before that tweet. There has been no correction or update since. You go ahead and verify that account. The reporters who have been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial have been relying on information from that account all along. I would imagine they got the account info directly from the information officer.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:29 PM

31. Believe what you like.

But just for future reference, an account on twitter without a blue verified check could be anybody. Tons of fake accounts on there.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:09 PM

16. Same difference...

I sense we all have sat at our desk and ate our lunch while working in one way or another. Point being..they want to resolve the issues and go home....likely tonight.

If there was a lone wolfe holdout...they would of taken a normal off site lunch for a change of mood stimulation. I personally think they are working out the details of degree of murder....tightening up loose ends.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:11 PM

17. hogwash.

 

Your posts are entirely speculative. Stop with this BS of trying to predict what's happening in the jury room. You have no friggin clue.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:19 PM

21. Chill out...

please review and note that indeed, I identified this as my sense and my opinion.

I enjoy discussion and have no intention of caring about your needs. You can correct that issue by moving into another thread or stay, engage in discussion but do do so without the controlling attitude... Your choice.

Thank you for sharing my friend.

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Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:34 PM

27. wow

that's a little over the top isn't it? I mean internet message boards are pretty much full of people posting their speculation about all sorts of things.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:17 PM

20. I think working thru lunch means they're at least making progress.

We can't know for sure in which direction but if they all had reasonable doubt it seems like they could come to that fairly quickly so it's more likely there's either a hold out or they're deciding exactly what he's guilty of. Just speculation based on what makes the most sense.

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Response to Just Saying (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:08 PM

40. i hate working through lunch

 

i really like lunch

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:07 PM

14. They said on the TV that...


... ever since the OJ trial that nowadays juries do NOT come out real quick with a 'guilty' verdict.

They said that since the jury went into deliberations on Friday that they'd probably wait until at least Monday to announce a verdict - due to 'optics' not because if they've reached a verdict or not.

They talked about one case where the jury said they decided on a guilty verdict on a Friday but waited till Monday to tell everyone.

That's all I know


p.s. Could have been Mark Geragos that said the above.

---------

A DU poll on link below...

Poll: What is your prediction to what the verdict will be?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023228062

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:14 PM

19. Optics? They have been sequestered for weeks.

I would think that they would want to go home to their families.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:26 PM

24. Not guilty could require LOTS of discussion, if there was a holdout for guilt. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:08 PM

28. True enough....

Now let me look into my teacup and say this....by reading the mini-bio of the 6 jurist from the NYT posted here on DU today, I sense only one to hold out for not-guilty...the gal from Iowa is my pick.

I couldn't find the post...so here is a link from the Miami newspaper....

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/13/3498618/a-look-at-the-jurors-for-george.html

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:11 PM

29. I would avoid some areas, until the verdict is out

 

1992 taught us that there can definately be a wrong place and time to be when a verdict is out

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Response to markiv (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:39 PM

33. And what areas should we avoid?

You just said you would avoid 'some areas' - please elaborate. Do you know something the rest of us don't? I live in Central Florida. If there are areas that I should avoid until the verdict is out, I'd appreciate knowing those areas.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

34. you can draw your own conclusion

 

perhaps you should avoid places where conservatives gather?

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Response to markiv (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:14 PM

41. Are you saying your friends might get violent?

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:17 PM

45. none of my friends care about this trial, that i know of

 

to them, it's a murder 1400 miles away, they care more about the murders that occur with 50 miles

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Response to markiv (Reply #45)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:19 PM

46. I like how you don't deny your friends are conservatives

Of course we kinda figured that out already

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #46)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:21 PM

47. how do you know? did you check with the NSA?

 

and how does NOT having an opinion on a case far away make you 'a member of group 'x''

frankly i wouldnt care to part of any group that mandates having an opinion of every single issue, and seeks to 'expose' anyone who doesnt - sounds kinda jackboot, to me

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Response to markiv (Reply #47)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

48. No, it's your not-so-subtle racism in this thread

We know damn well what you mean about staying out of 'some areas'

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:44 PM

50. DU needs a 'Godwins Law' on that accusation

 

because as a thread grows longer, the probablity of that being tossed about approaches 1

Godwin's lawFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Mike Godwin (2010)Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[5]

In 2012, "Godwin's Law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Response to markiv (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:56 PM

37. I would avoid any area where confederate flags and armed tbaggers are common.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:58 PM

38. would that be a change of plans for you?

 

you go there often?

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Response to markiv (Reply #38)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:00 PM

39. Try my best to avoid bigots and gun nuts. What makes you think minorities are ones who might riot?

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Response to markiv (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:14 PM

44. You mean where we knee-grows are? Because, you know, we black folk are scary and violent!!

 



You are being disgusting!

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:35 PM

32. Lawyers would warn not to read to much into anything

 

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:16 PM

42. It is now 5:15 and no verdict.

I don't think it will come until Monday.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:08 PM

43. Ah, Ah, ah,,,,don't touch that dial .........

...........

because I feel a verdict tonight! The jury asked for clarification of instructions for manslaughter....I sense they are pulling it all together right now.....I smell a guilty verdict from Florida. Just my simple opinion.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:46 PM

51. Well, anything less than a day would be a quick verdict. nt

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:08 PM

52. Either they're awfully close or awfully far from a decision

and working through lunch to sort through all the contradictions.

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