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gulliver

(13,179 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:57 PM Jul 2013

Concealed Carry is the root cause, followed by the Drug War.

If Zimmerman had not had a concealed weapon, he wouldn't have dared to confront Martin. On the other hand, if Zimmerman had an unconcealed weapon, the homeowners in his subdivision would have shouted him off of the street (or had the police drag him off). Concealed Carry enables "Stand Your Ground" and turns it into a trap.

What I am wondering is if civil law can be used to put an end to Concealed Carry. We know the Retreat at Twin Lakes paid a large settlement to Martin's family. That means that homeowners or an insurer (or both) were forced to pay for what Zimmerman did. To me, that is the key to getting rid of concealed carry altogether. Someone has to pay for it.

What if every homeowner's association (HOA) simply disallowed Concealed Carry in their by-laws under penalty of expulsion and lawsuit? I believe it would be their right to do so. As a homeowner myself, I know for sure that I don't want my property and retirement savings backing up the actions of a brain dead dirtball like Zimmerman. I also don't feel it is right for residents to have to pay additional liability insurance just because someone else feels they have the right to Concealed Carry. If people want to carry concealed weapons, they apparently have a right to do so, but they don't have the right to make me pay for it. I would love for my HOA to disallow it and quite simply force out (or sue into oblivion) anyone who exercised their Concealed Carry right in my neighborhood.

Then take it a step further. Couldn't/shouldn't businesses refuse to employ people who carry a concealed weapon on- or off-the-clock, on- or off-premises? Maybe every employment application should have a "do you ever carry a concealed firearm?" question. It seems to me that by eliminating these people from employment, a business could both reduce their liability and their exposure to the kinds of people who might carry these weapons. Once again, a citizen would still have the right to carry a concealed weapon. They just wouldn't have the right to be employed while doing so. Indeed, there is no such right.

Behind all of this is the engine of catastrophe known as the Drug War. While all of those burglaries were happening in the Retreat at Twin Lakes, cops were probably out arresting kids for smoking marijuana. Then those kids get a record and can't get jobs. So they commit more burglaries. And the burglaries make idiot dirtballs like Zimmerman want to play cop. People are funny.

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Concealed Carry is the root cause, followed by the Drug War. (Original Post) gulliver Jul 2013 OP
The Grifter never even had any stake in the game. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #1

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
1. The Grifter never even had any stake in the game.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jul 2013

Mr CCW's neighbors paid the price for his actions - as did his landlord. He rented his living quarters - so he even got out of THAT "penalty".

One of many reasons I don't live in a COA/HOA. Almost bought a Condo once, but after reading the 330 page bylaw document, decided I didn't want to have to be legally or financially responsible for some moron doing something moronic.

You may want to bring this up at your next board meeting. If nothing else, it is worth having the liability conversation.

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