Limitation of the NSA in the U.S. House: Roll Call for the Failed Amash Amendment 217-205

[xocet]

6:53:20 P.M. H.R. 2397 On agreeing to the Amash amendment; Failed by recorded vote: 205 - 217 (Roll no. 412).

The Democrats who voted against the Amash Amendment are:

Andrews, Barber, Barrow (GA), Bera (CA), Bishop (GA), Bishop (NY), Brown (FL), Brownley (CA), Butterfield, Carney, Castor (FL), Castro (TX), Cooper, Costa, Cuellar, Davis (CA), Delaney, Duckworth, Engel, Enyart, Esty, Foster, Frankel (FL), Gallego, Garcia, Green, Al., Gutiérrez, Hanabusa, Heck (WA), Higgins, Himes, Hinojosa, Hoyer, Israel, Jackson Lee, Johnson (GA), Johnson, E. B., Kaptur, Kelly (IL), Kennedy, Kilmer, Kind, Kirkpatrick, Kuster, Langevin, Larsen (WA), Levin, Lipinski, Lowey, Maloney, Se., Matheson, McIntyre, McNerney, Meeks, Meng, Murphy (FL), Payne, Pelosi, Peters (CA), Peters (MI), Peterson, Price (NC), Quigley, Ruiz, Ruppersberger, Ryan (OH), Schakowsky, Schneider, Schwartz, Scott, Da., Sewell (AL), Sinema, Sires, Slaughter, Smith (WA), Thompson (CA), Titus, Van Hollen, Vargas, Veasey, Visclosky, Wasserman Schultz, Wilson (FL)

The roll call for this vote is as follows:

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 412

H R 2397 RECORDED VOTE 24-Jul-2013 6:51 PM
AUTHOR(S): Amash of Michigan Amendment No. 100
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Amendment

Party Affiliation----Ayes----Noes----NV
Republican-----------94-----134-----6
Democratic----------111------83-----6
Independent
TOTALS-------------205-----217----12


---- AYES 205 ---

Amash
Amodei

Bachus
Barton
Bass
Becerra
Bentivolio
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Bridenstine
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Burgess

Capps
Capuano
Cárdenas
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coffman
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Courtney
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings

Daines
Davis, Danny
Davis, Rodney
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
DelBene
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)

Edwards
Ellison
Eshoo

Farenthold
Farr
Fattah
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Fudge

Gabbard
Garamendi
Gardner
Garrett
Gibson
Gohmert
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Grayson
Green, Gene
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grijalva

Hahn
Hall
Harris
Hastings (FL)
Holt
Honda
Huelskamp
Huffman
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren

Jeffries
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Jones
Jordan

Keating
Kildee
Kingston

Labrador
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Lewis
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Luján, Ben Ray (NM)
Lummis
Lynch

Maffei
Maloney, Carolyn
Marchant
Massie
Matsui
McClintock
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McHenry
McMorris Rodgers
Meadows
Mica
Michaud
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Mullin
Mulvaney

Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Nolan
Nugent

O'Rourke
Owens

Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Pearce
Perlmutter
Perry
Petri
Pingree (ME)
Pocan
Poe (TX)
Polis
Posey
Price (GA)

Radel
Rahall
Rangel
Ribble
Rice (SC)
Richmond
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Ross
Rothfus
Roybal-Allard
Rush

Salmon
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanford
Sarbanes
Scalise
Schiff
Schrader
Schweikert
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Smith (MO)
Smith (NJ)
Southerland
Speier
Stewart
Stockman
Swalwell (CA)

Takano
Thompson (MS)
Thompson (PA)
Tierney
Tipton
Tonko
Tsongas

Vela
Velázquez

Walz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Weber (TX)
Welch
Williams
Wilson (SC)

Yarmuth
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)

---- NOES 217 ---

Aderholt
Alexander
Andrews

Bachmann
Barber
Barr
Barrow (GA)
Benishek
Bera (CA)
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Boehner
Bonner
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Brown (FL)
Brownley (CA)
Bucshon
Butterfield

Calvert
Camp
Cantor
Capito
Carney
Carter
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Conaway
Cook
Cooper
Costa
Cotton
Crawford
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson

Davis (CA)
Delaney
Denham
Dent
Diaz-Balart
Duckworth

Ellmers
Engel
Enyart
Esty

Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foster
Foxx
Frankel (FL)
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen

Gallego
Garcia
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gingrey (GA)
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves (MO)
Green, Al
Grimm
Guthrie
Gutiérrez

Hanabusa
Hanna
Harper
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Heck (NV)
Heck (WA)
Hensarling
Higgins
Himes
Hinojosa
Holding
Hoyer
Hudson
Hunter
Hurt

Israel
Issa

Jackson Lee
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Joyce

Kaptur
Kelly (IL)
Kelly (PA)
Kennedy
Kilmer
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kinzinger (IL)
Kirkpatrick
Kline
Kuster

Lance
Langevin
Lankford
Larsen (WA)
Latham
Latta
Levin
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Long
Lowey
Lucas
Luetkemeyer

Maloney, Sean
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McNerney
Meehan
Meeks
Meng
Messer
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Murphy (FL)
Murphy (PA)

Neugebauer
Noem
Nunes
Nunnelee

Olson

Palazzo
Paulsen
Payne
Pelosi
Peters (CA)
Peters (MI)
Peterson
Pittenger
Pitts
Pompeo
Price (NC)

Quigley

Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Rigell
Roby
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Royce
Ruiz
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)

Schakowsky
Schneider
Schwartz
Scott, Austin
Scott, David
Sessions
Sewell (AL)
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Sinema
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (NE)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Stivers
Stutzman

Terry
Thompson (CA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Titus
Turner

Upton

Valadao
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Visclosky

Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walorski
Wasserman Schultz
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (FL)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall

Young (FL)
Young (IN)

---- NOT VOTING 12 ---

Barletta
Beatty
Bustos

Campbell
Coble

Herrera Beutler
Horsford

McCarthy (NY)

Negrete McLeod

Pallone

Rokita

Schock

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml

On what grounds would Democrats object to this amendment? Is it necessary for certain Democrats to vote NAY as a procedural matter?

[BlueStreak]

1. This is not the Party you think you know.

It was a simple amendment. All it said was that they had to follow the Constitution and only collect information on specific people where there is probable cause.

And that amendment, if passed into law, would have shut down vast operations -- some of the largest data centers in the world. We aren't allowed to know how much we spend on these unconstitutional activities, but it is surely tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions a year.

It wouldn't have mattered. Obama would have used his 3rd veto in 5 years on that one. And even if it were law, the NSA would simply ignore it. They could bring back Gonzales to write an opinion why the NSA doesn't have to follow any laws.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Shocked, I tell ya...shocked....not

[xocet]

3. How true....

I thought it was important to put up the roll call anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Davis and Pelosi were not surprising since

I talked to them a few times, could predict it. Peters...DLC type.

[randome]

4. OMG, the NSA is blackmailing everyone!

A stupid knee-jerk amendment from Congress critters who don't even have the balls to demand answers to their questions. Nor to attend the national security briefings when they have the opportunity.

No decisions should be made based on political opportunism or on fear. Gather the evidence, show us greater transparency and then we can decide if the NSA needs to be reigned in or not.

Otherwise, it's all just posturing for cameras and sound bites.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[xocet]

7. No one said anything about blackmail except you. n/t

[KittyWampus]

12. I haven't found the actual amendment yet, but as it's described, it sounds reasonable:

Amash's measure, offered as an amendment to the Department of Defense appropriations bill, would have prevented the government from invoking Section 215 of the Patriot Act to scoop up phone call metadata -- information about whom people are calling and when, but not the content of the calls -- unless the government had a reasonable suspicion that a specific target was involved in terrorism.

[randome]

22. Congress needs to learn, and inform us, then...

...whether the metadata copies serve a useful purpose. Then, and only then, can a rational decision be made that the metadata should continue to be copied or stopped.

Anything else, a decision made out of fear or paranoia, will most likely be a bad decision.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Scurrilous]

6. Ros-Lehtinen, Diaz-Balart, Garcia, Wasserman Schultz, Wilson, Frankel.

My local area all noes. Interesting.

[limpyhobbler]

8. Obama put his thumb on the scale to shift the balance. Otherwise this would have passed.

[Catherina]

9. Obama and his loyalists can no longer say they never got the support of Republicans on anything n/t

[limpyhobbler]

10. that's for sure. it cut across party lines

[HardTimes99]

11. Surprised Duckworth (WI) voted 'No'. I remember her as having a much more solid

head on her shoulders than to fall for Alexander & Co.'s clap-trap.

[KharmaTrain]

19. Duckworth Is Illinois...

...and the entire Illinois delegation voted "Nay"...including Jan Schakowsky. I don't agree with their votes as there needs to be an investigation into what is going on regarding the NSA.

[HardTimes99]

24. I am getting senile with old age. Somehow, I confused Tammy Duckworth (IL) with

U.S. Senator Tammy Baldwin (WI), whom I remembered fondly as a state legislator. Each Tammy is a great Dem politician in her own way.

I think I had better shut up or at least double-check myself before clicking that 'Post' button from now on.

Thanks for the correction. Much obliged.

[KharmaTrain]

25. It's OK...

...passions fly on DU and sometimes the fingers move faster than the facts. She just happens to be my Congresscritter and wanted to put her in the right state. I also have my senior moments these days...just can't remember what they were.

Cheers...

[jazzimov]

13. "On what grounds would Democrats object to this amendment?"

Maybe because it SUCKED.

I would like to see a serious conversation, and possibly see the PATRIOT ACT 2 amended or repealed and see the FISA courts return to their powers before the 2008. But simply defunding it is NOT the way to go.

It was a bad amendment, and I'm glad it failed. However, I am glad that it progressed as far as it did and started the conversation.

[xocet]

17. That is not a bad commentary - once you got past the snide part. n/t

[octoberlib]

14. It's not over.

House members pressing to rein in the N.S.A. vowed afterward that the outrage unleashed by Mr. Snowden’s disclosures would eventually put a brake on the agency’s activities. Representative Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York and a longtime critic of post-Sept. 11 counterterrorism efforts, said lawmakers would keep coming back with legislation to curtail the dragnets for “metadata,” whether through phone records or Internet surveillance.

At the very least, the section of the Patriot Act in question will be allowed to expire in 2015, he said. “It’s going to end — now or later,” Mr. Nadler said. “The only question is when and on what terms.”

Representative Jared Polis, Democrat of Colorado and a supporter of the amendment, said that if the Obama administration felt strongly about defending the program, Mr. Obama would have spoken out personally. Instead, the White House released a statement under the name of the press secretary, Jay Carney.

“This is only the beginning,” Mr. Conyers vowed after the vote. The fight will shift to the Senate, where two longtime Democratic critics of N.S.A. surveillance, Mark Udall of Colorado and Ron Wyden of Oregon, immediately took up the cause.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us/politics/house-defeats-effort-to-rein-in-nsa-data-gathering.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. It's very encouraging to see this determination.

I've seen other reps say the same about the certainty of its non-renewal in 2015, if it comes to that, so that seems likely to be true.

Thanks for posting this.

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. Wow, Sensenbrenner voted for it.

(Sensenbrenner, the Repub author of the Patriot Act)

I guess he wasn't kidding about how outraged he said he is, at how the NSA is abusing the law he wrote. I think his vote is a heavy sign that the NSA has gone seriously off the rails with this. Lofgren voted for it too, she was pretty steamed as well during the Judiciary hearing this week, and she helped with the writing of the Act back in 2001.

Those are not lightweight votes, at all.

I see though, that my rep, Van Hollen voted against it -- he will be getting a "sternly worded letter" from me very soon. WTF, Chris. I hope to see better from him when the Rush Holt bill comes up. Otherwise, maybe my district needs a primary next time.

Thanks for this, xocet. Bookmarking, of course.

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. The Convergence of the ‘Glenn Greenwald Left’ and the ‘Alex Jones Right’

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 412

H R 2397 RECORDED VOTE 24-Jul-2013 6:51 PM
AUTHOR(S): Amash of Michigan Amendment No. 100
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Amendment

Party Affiliation----Ayes----Noes----NV
Republican-----------94-----134-----6
Democratic----------111------83-----6
Independent
TOTALS-------------205-----217----12


The paranoia and conspiracy-mongering is truly bizarre coming from the same crowd that loudly blasted President Obama for not including a single-payer system in his healthcare reform legislation. Single-payer, naturally, would be run by the federal government and so a government agency would have access to our medical histories and decide whether we could receive certain forms of medical treatment. Every sexually transmitted disease, every erectile dysfunction prescription and every colon X-ray would be gathered and processed by the government, and since the program would be financed via our tax returns the IRS would provide an investigative and potentially punitive aspect to it. If you don’t pay your taxes, you’re punished for it. In fact, I remember how we laughed at paranoid Republicans who insisted that the IRS would toss people in jail for not abiding the individual mandate.

read more here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023320336

[GlashFordan]

20. What an upside down world

The teabaggers and the progressive wing of the Democratic party are united against the neocons and Obama.

[davidpdx]

21. It could be those four felt the bill didn't go far enough

(Hoyer, Pelosi, Van Hollen, Wasserman Schultz). Even with their votes it would have been 217-209 and it would have failed. Now there were 12 that did not vote. Maybe someone can find out why they didn't vote.

The one on that list that may have a good excuse is Jaime Herrera (Republican) who has had complications with her pregnancy. The list is about half D's and half R's so how they would have voted who knows.