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kpete

(71,979 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:27 AM Jul 2013

Bernie Sanders Declines Secrecy Offer on Tax Plan Because He Has Nothing to Hide

Double win for Bernie.

First, because he's actually fighting for most of the people in the country with his proposals.

Second, because he has exposed this odious bit of legislative behavior.



Baucus and Hatch previously decided that to design tax reform legislation, they would create a "blank slate" process, in which senators have to argue for the various credits and deductions that they would like to see kept in the tax code. That's not yet a blow to transparency yet although it has been a cash cow for K Street.

Here's the troubling part, from the perspective of transparency:

The Senate’s top tax writers have promised their colleagues 50 years worth of secrecy in exchange for suggestions on what deductions and credits to preserve in tax reform.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and the panel’s top Republican, Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah), assured lawmakers that any submission they receive will be kept under lock and key by the committee and the National Archives until the end of 2064.

Deeming the submissions confidential, the Senate’s top tax writers have said only certain staff members — 10 in all — will get direct access to a senator’s written suggestions. Each submission will also be given its own ID number and be kept on password-protected servers, with printed versions kept in locked safes.
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/313259-senates-tax-writers-offering-50-years-of-secrecy

In other words, Baucus and Hatch believe that you, the voting public, have no right to know what your senators want to see in the tax code. That is an affront to transparency and democratic accountability because we cannot keep our legislators accountable if we do not even know what they are proposing and how they are laying out their priorities. If senators would like to see elements of the tax code changed, then they should be willing to stand up for their beliefs and share them with the public--both in their home state and in the country at large.

The deadline for tax proposals was yesterday. We'll see how many senators are willing to include the public in the discussion. I know we at least have one: Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

In his letter to Baucus and Hatch, Bernie Sanders turned down the offer for secrecy, noting that he had nothing to hide:

[div class="excerpt"]“Given the fact that my suggestions represent the interests of the middle class of this country and not powerful corporate special interests, I have no problem with making them public."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/27/1226928/-Bernie-Sanders-Declines-Secrecy-on-Tax-Plan-Because-He-Has-Nothing-to-Hide
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Bernie Sanders Declines Secrecy Offer on Tax Plan Because He Has Nothing to Hide (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
Kick for Bernie moondust Jul 2013 #1
It takesmore than Bernie though. kentuck Jul 2013 #21
. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #41
k&R think Jul 2013 #2
I'm sure the "most transparent President" will veto any bill with hidden sources. Scuba Jul 2013 #3
LOL good one. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #6
There should be no doubt. bigwillq Jul 2013 #10
if there's one thing I've learned Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #14
But, we'll only find out about the veto if a traitorous whistleblower leaks it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #23
All of this ctsnowman Jul 2013 #4
Baucus and Hatch have to be near the worst elected officials is US history. leveymg Jul 2013 #5
Hatch ...the idiot who wanted to make firewalls illegal. Just trying to help the NSA I guess. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #9
If they viewed themselves as working for the people, LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #7
Silly. Not "those" people. The SCOTUS "persons" ...ya know. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #11
I don't think they suffer from that illusion. hay rick Jul 2013 #37
Obama's (Did I say single payer health care?) buddy ...Baucus? Wow whodathunkit. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #8
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #12
This needs to be kicked and recommended; K&R! Babel_17 Jul 2013 #13
Love Bernie MissDeeds Jul 2013 #15
Transparency is just a big joke zeemike Jul 2013 #16
+1000 for Bernie Sanders.. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #17
When are we going to stop taking this shit they cram down our throats. usaf-vet Jul 2013 #18
wasn't Orrin Hatch in the fringe of the Savings and Loans scandal? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #19
Damn them! kentuck Jul 2013 #20
Take the pledge. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #22
Warren 2016 kpete Jul 2013 #24
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #25
God bless Vermont. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #26
So we're back to taxation without representation? Seriously? matthews Jul 2013 #27
K&R nt abelenkpe Jul 2013 #28
How is them selling votes different from what Rod Blagojevich did? GoneFishin Jul 2013 #29
Bernie said it. I believe it. That's how it is done. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #30
Tell 'em to stick it Bernie!! dicksmc3 Jul 2013 #31
Need 100 Bernies in the Senate... or @ least 60. AzDar Jul 2013 #32
Bernie is a true national treasure. mick063 Jul 2013 #33
kr. the secrecy offer is fascist. in a democracy, people are entitled to know what their HiPointDem Jul 2013 #34
Our government has been bankrupted by too much secrecy. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #35
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #36
corrupt bastards! Good for Sanders! One of only a few good guys. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #38
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #39
Sanders rocks. blackspade Jul 2013 #40
We the people... NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #42
Bernie's no frat boy. We need a lot more like him. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #43
This . . . . . . is . . . . . . HUGE . Faryn Balyncd Jul 2013 #44
Transparency is now a crazy wild eyed liberal concept. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #45

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
4. All of this
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

secret government BS is against the very fabric of democracy. We are not talking nuclear launch codes we are talking taxes and trade.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Baucus and Hatch have to be near the worst elected officials is US history.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jul 2013

When someone sits down and reviews the people most responsible for the fall of the Republic, they will deserve an entire chapter just for themselves.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
9. Hatch ...the idiot who wanted to make firewalls illegal. Just trying to help the NSA I guess. n/t
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jul 2013

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
7. If they viewed themselves as working for the people,
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:03 AM
Jul 2013

they would recognize that the people have a right to know what their Congress is doing.

hay rick

(7,603 posts)
37. I don't think they suffer from that illusion.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013

Twenty years ago you couldn't imagine a story like this. Now it's just another day at the office.

Meanwhile, the pretense of democracy soldiers on.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
13. This needs to be kicked and recommended; K&R!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jul 2013

I'm sick unto death as to the kowtowing and obeisance to big money by the people's elected representatives. Enough, and no more.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
16. Transparency is just a big joke
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jul 2013

Just like Freedom was in 1984.
What they really mean by that is that they will do whatever they want and we will never know about it.
Bernie exposes their game...damn I hope he does not fly in small planes.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
17. +1000 for Bernie Sanders..
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

He makes me want to move to Vermont... a lot of things make me want to move to Vermont.

usaf-vet

(6,178 posts)
18. When are we going to stop taking this shit they cram down our throats.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jul 2013

These are the very "domestic threats" that every service member took and oath to defend against.
..........."to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic"

We did not elect these people their seats were bought by the very people they protect with 50 year secrecy pacts.

Wake up people. Throw these bums out. Vote for ANYONE but the incumbent. Or just give them your bank account numbers and sign over all of your assets that is what they are after. They want all the wealth in the county including your kids piggy banks.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
20. Damn them!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jul 2013

I hope the President doesn't go along with this crap. The thing is, you never know. And that is what is so annoying sometimes.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. Take the pledge.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jul 2013

I will not vote for any senator who does not publish his position on each and every issue including tax issues such as what deductions and credits to preserve in tax reform, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, the environment, etc., but especially tax issues.

We hear so much about how tough choices need to be made. Let's see how tough it is for our senators to tell us the truth about where they stand on the issues.

They are cheats and liars. That's the problem. They don't want us to see their cheating and lying.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
27. So we're back to taxation without representation? Seriously?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jul 2013

Except for Bernie Sanders? (Warren's on our side too.)

Hatch and Baucus want to operate like a couple of sneak thieves in the dark? Figures.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
29. How is them selling votes different from what Rod Blagojevich did?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:06 PM
Jul 2013

We do not elect these bastards so they can personally enrich themselves by auctioning off their votes to the highest bidders. Forking crooks.

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
31. Tell 'em to stick it Bernie!!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

Bernie is America's Senator not only Vermont's and he proves it every day when he goes to the Senate..Keep it going Bernie..We need 99 more like him in the Senate....

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
34. kr. the secrecy offer is fascist. in a democracy, people are entitled to know what their
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jul 2013

representatives are saying about tax policy.

democracy requires informed voters, or at least the capacity for voters to be fully informed.

secrecy over basic policy matters means there is no capacity to become informed.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
35. Our government has been bankrupted by too much secrecy.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jul 2013

The government wants to know our most personal affairs --- yet the government which is responsible to us prefers to itself operate in secrecy without our knowledge...


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