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Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:36 PM Jul 2013

Sorry if this has been posted already......but some of us called this when the story broke

http://rollingout.com/shame-on-you/white-mother-lied-on-innocent-black-boys-murdered-her-own-son-in-georgia/

sherry west liedBrunswick, Ga. resident Sherry West, 42, mother of baby Antonio Santiago slain on March 14, 2013, told CNN’s Piers Morgan she wants the alleged teen killers to die during an on-camera interview. “A life for a life,” she said.

De’Marquis Elkins, 17, and Dominique Lang, 15, were arrested and charged with murdering the 13-month-old. Their trial was set for this August but their public defender, Jonathan Lockwood, uncovered some shocking evidence.

She lied! The gunshot residue was found on both West and baby Antonio’s father, Louis, who was initially reported no where near the crime scene.

Back in March, West told police that while on her way home from the post office two black boys attempted to rob her. When she told them that she didn’t have any money, they shot baby Antonio in the face, then shot her in the leg before running away.

The state forensic report says, “This supports the possibility that [Louis Santiago] discharged a firearm, was in close proximity to a firearm upon discharge, or came into contact with an item whose surface bears GSR [gunshot residue].”
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Sorry if this has been posted already......but some of us called this when the story broke (Original Post) Mr Dixon Jul 2013 OP
I find it hard to believe that you're actually believing this bullshit. tumtum Jul 2013 #1
SMH Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #3
The stalking is interesting. Nevernose Jul 2013 #4
There is no physical evidence that either parent had anything to do with the shooting. tumtum Jul 2013 #7
I don't know what to think of this case Just Saying Jul 2013 #6
It seems that the dad was angry that his son was killed instead of her. tumtum Jul 2013 #12
exactly. This is such horse shit from people that STILL can't admit they were wrong. alphafemale Jul 2013 #21
Sometimes it's exactly as it seems, tumtum Jul 2013 #22
gun shot residue is to be expected when you and your baby are shot. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #2
IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #5
If they charge the parents with something, then I will Rex Jul 2013 #8
I didn't call it, I said I thought it was possible cali Jul 2013 #9
That is a true statement. randome Jul 2013 #10
agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #11
People place waaay more credence in things like GSR tests than is warranted X_Digger Jul 2013 #13
Really? Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #14
Divorce court? Jerry Springer? X_Digger Jul 2013 #15
That's not what he said. tumtum Jul 2013 #16
where does it say she lied ? JI7 Jul 2013 #17
The only ones saying that she lied tumtum Jul 2013 #19
WOW Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #18
Who in authority is saying she lied? tumtum Jul 2013 #20
IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #23
All these past cases have nothing to do with this case. tumtum Jul 2013 #24
SMH Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #25
Evidence is not an opinion Politicalboi Jul 2013 #27
Oh u get a gold star for calling it. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #26
It seems it is premature to Jenoch Jul 2013 #28
GSR on the mother isn't unusual. On the father, it could be a false positive. Kennah Jul 2013 #29
This website couldn't even get the details of the shooting right. tumtum Jul 2013 #30
 

tumtum

(438 posts)
1. I find it hard to believe that you're actually believing this bullshit.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jul 2013

1. The mother of the slain baby has GSR because she was shot at close range, there will always be GSR on the victim of a close range gunshot.

2. The aunt of the shooter led police to a .22 cal. pistol, the same caliber that killed the 2 year old.

3. A priest has I.D.'d the shooter as the one who shot him with a .22 cal. pistol 2 weeks earlier.

4. The younger teen has confessed and implicated the older teen as the shooter.

5. The police have said that the GSR on Louis Santiago could very well have come from an industrial source not related to a firearm.

6. When the older teen was arrested, he just happened to have 2 .22 cal. bullets in his pocket, the same cal. that wounded the mom and killed the baby, and, coincidently, wounded the priest 2 weeks earlier.
Coincidence? I think not.

And there's this.

"Police have not named Sherry West or Louis Santiago suspects in their son’s murder; however, Santiago is in jail for aggravated stalking of West."


Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
4. The stalking is interesting.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jul 2013

Horrible, obviously, but interesting in the fact that witnesses to the stalking claimed that he accused her of killing the baby, and that was the entire basis for the stalking. Her daughter also implied that her mother killed the baby for the insurance money.

Also, confessions mean very little. The police could get a teenaged kid to confess to the Kennedy assassination without even working up a sweat.

They're probably guilty as hell, but the case certainly seem to be as open-and-shut as it did a few days ago.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
7. There is no physical evidence that either parent had anything to do with the shooting.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jul 2013

The police have completely discounted the daughters statement, but there's plenty of evidence against the 2 teens.

Sometimes it really is what it seems to be, an armed robbery gone horribly wrong.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
6. I don't know what to think of this case
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jul 2013

But I read the dad is in jail because he was going after the mother accusing her of killing the baby! I'll look for the link. Oh I see they mentioned it here.

I guess we'll see what comes of it.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
12. It seems that the dad was angry that his son was killed instead of her.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013
"He was throwing things through the window and terrorizing me, saying that I killed my baby and it should have been me," said West.


http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Sherry-West-says-murdered-babys-father-went-nuts/faabQKMeIkiKfAddU9x7Tg.cspx

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
21. exactly. This is such horse shit from people that STILL can't admit they were wrong.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jul 2013

un fucking believable.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
22. Sometimes it's exactly as it seems,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jul 2013

an armed robbery by an out of control teen.
Even with all the evidence, some just can't bring themselves to admit that just maybe these 2 teens are responsible.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. If they charge the parents with something, then I will
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jul 2013

believe there is more to this case then meet the eye.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. I didn't call it, I said I thought it was possible
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jul 2013

and nothing I've ever said here was met with more venom.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. That is a true statement.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. People place waaay more credence in things like GSR tests than is warranted
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jul 2013

Compounds found in fertilizers (nitrate, potassium, aluminum), or on the hands of welders, mechanics (think brake dust), locksmiths, and those who handle paper can give a false positive.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~cdockery/docs/JUCR%202011.pdf

I blame CSI, NCIS, and the crime procedurals like Law & Order

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
14. Really?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

funny and when your husbands thinks you had something to with it? what TV show would that be?

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
15. Divorce court? Jerry Springer?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jul 2013

Am I missing something? I've not followed this case, but all I can see as 'evidence' in this article is a GSR test.
 

tumtum

(438 posts)
16. That's not what he said.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jul 2013
"He was throwing things through the window and terrorizing me, saying that I killed my baby and it should have been me," said Sherry West, the mother of the slain baby.


He seems to be saying that it should have been her killed instead of their son.

Oh, and that GSR?

West told Action News that she has an answer, "He may have touched my clothes in the hospital if there was GSR."

A conclusion from the state forensic report says, "This supports the possibility that (Santiago) discharged a firearm, was in close proximity to a firearm upon discharge, or came into contact with an item whose surface bears GSR."


And finally,

Neither Santiago nor West is a murder suspect, according to police. The murder trial is scheduled to begin next month.


http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Sherry-West-says-murdered-babys-father-went-nuts/faabQKMeIkiKfAddU9x7Tg.cspx
 

tumtum

(438 posts)
19. The only ones saying that she lied
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jul 2013

are blogs. The police have stated that the parents are not suspects.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
20. Who in authority is saying she lied?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jul 2013

The police? The District Attorney?

Or is it some blogger? Because I haven't seen anyone in any position of authority claim she lied.

Neither Santiago nor West is a murder suspect, according to police. The murder trial is scheduled to begin next month.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
23. IMO
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

This comes down to your own thought process, the media could careless about facts they only want ratings, the police and DA need to prove the case, so too pass judgement before all the facts come out is IMO premature. History is a great teacher, Susan Smith, the run away bride? and Central Park Jogger case? when people jump to conclusions innocent people go to jail see Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
24. All these past cases have nothing to do with this case.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jul 2013

The evidence against these 2 teens is very compelling and I'll bet dollars to donuts their lawyer will either accept a plea deal or the 2 teens will be convicted.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
27. Evidence is not an opinion
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jul 2013

I know you weren't talking to me, but this case has a lot of evidence that says the kids did it. The gun was the same gun used in a crime a few weeks prior, and the suspect was a black male. The kid had bullets that matched the gun in his pockets. His aunts got rid of the gun. Did they get rid of the gun to clear West?

Kennah

(14,234 posts)
29. GSR on the mother isn't unusual. On the father, it could be a false positive.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:52 AM
Jul 2013

There have been a lot of comparisons made between this case and the murder of Michael and Alexander Smith.

If Sherry West, or her estranged husband, had been involved in the murder, then it would seem that the two accused in custody would be singing about that connection.

Is Sherry West in the running for Parent of the Year? Perhaps not, but that does not make her a murderer.

 

tumtum

(438 posts)
30. This website couldn't even get the details of the shooting right.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013

First off, it was Sherry West who was shot first, not the baby, he was shot when Sherry told him she didn't have any money.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/sherry-west-antonio-west-brunswick-georgia-mom-says-two-kids-shot-and-killed-her-baby-over-money


"A boy approached me and told me he wanted my money, and I told him I didn't have any money," she said. "And he said, 'Give me your money or I'm going to kill you and I'm going to shoot your baby and kill your baby,' and I said, "I don't have any money and don't kill my baby."

The boy tried to grab her purse and opened fire when she said tried to tell him she had no money, West said, grazing her head. She said the boy then shot her in the leg.

She continued, "And then, all of a sudden, he walked over and he shot my baby in the face."


And that GSR on Louis Santiago?

In the report investigators noted that the particles found "also may originate from occupational and/or industrial sources."





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