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Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:19 AM

state by state speak your mind about oregon

beautiful Oregon
beaches forests mountains and deserts
lakes in craters ....wow!
15000 years of people and its still habitable!
first the natives then the Spanish then the French
then the US ala lewis and clark
in 1811 the English sailed the entire Columbia river and claimed it as theirs all the way to the snake river
nice piece of land
they cemented the deal after the war of 1812 but by 1820 we had joint occupancy from the rockies to the pacific
the brits moved settlers in to advance their position and the Oregon trail was opened 2 years later leading to a huge US migration
war was narrowly avoided
Oregon was a "whites only " territory in its first constitution
geographical Oregon is stunning with as said above every type of landscape
Oregon's liberals are the most liberal and its conservatives the most conservative
hazelnuts are from there and wines as the land copies the Alsace and burgundy regions of france
cranberries wheat cattle sheep dairy eggs and poultry are big crops
forests give jobs to timber trades and the long coast and rivers gives work to fisherman
and of course a place with so many kinds of beauty has a lot of tourism
electronics is becoming a large factor coining the name "silicon forest" and many major corporations call Oregon home
Oregon is on my will go to list

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Reply state by state speak your mind about oregon (Original post)
SwampG8r Aug 2013 OP
TlalocW Aug 2013 #1
longship Aug 2013 #2
KamaAina Aug 2013 #11
longship Aug 2013 #19
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #4
TexasTowelie Aug 2013 #5
Gregorian Aug 2013 #6
KamaAina Aug 2013 #12
Gregorian Aug 2013 #15
lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #29
Gregorian Aug 2013 #30
opiate69 Aug 2013 #31
lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #37
Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #17
Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #40
Zorra Aug 2013 #7
dimbear Aug 2013 #8
love_katz Aug 2013 #24
indie9197 Aug 2013 #27
CanonRay Aug 2013 #9
LWolf Aug 2013 #10
HiPointDem Aug 2013 #13
Blue Idaho Aug 2013 #14
SoCalDem Aug 2013 #20
Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #16
Faux pas Aug 2013 #18
Xithras Aug 2013 #21
opiate69 Aug 2013 #22
cascadiance Aug 2013 #28
opiate69 Aug 2013 #35
Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #42
opiate69 Aug 2013 #43
DiverDave Aug 2013 #23
Go Vols Aug 2013 #25
jeffrey_pdx Aug 2013 #38
Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #44
Link Speed Aug 2013 #26
Recursion Aug 2013 #32
jeffrey_pdx Aug 2013 #39
Phentex Aug 2013 #33
loyalsister Aug 2013 #34
Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36
mick063 Aug 2013 #41

Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:20 AM

1. Avoid Lebanon, Oregon, at all costs

Just my opinion.

TlalocW

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:26 AM

2. Bah! No lakes!

Here in Michigan we have LAKES!

Other than that, Oregon has more liberals.

Okay, okay! Maybe we can trade. A bit?

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:28 PM

11. Ahem...

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:50 PM

19. Well, I forgot about that one.

But our lakes are a bit larger.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:37 AM

3. Lived & worked in Oregon for 10 years. Loved it.

 

Then we moved to Washington, just across the river, and love it even more.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:39 AM

4. Interstate 84 out of Portland. The Dalles. Jordan Valley.

 

I don't need to say anything else...

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:46 AM

5. I've never been there,

but I (along with many other men) enjoy yelling "Go Beavers" when Oregon State plays.

I also have sympathy for the team when they play USC since inevitably someone will say, "Trojans pound the Beavers".

If I ever decide to travel extensively, I was hoping to go to the Pacific Coast so I'll refrain from any other remarks.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:57 AM

6. Clearcutting.

I could go on, but I'd rather not since it's negative.

And yes, there were good memories of living in Oregon. There are pockets of beauty. But the deforestation, and lousy conservative communities (despite being a blue state) made me pack up and leave.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:29 PM

12. It is illegal to log within 200 feet of a state highway

 

so you have the illusion of driving through the forest primeval, while there are clear cuts 200 feet on either side of you!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:42 PM

15. Bingo! I've been throughout all of these coastal mountains. It's truly sickening.

I could tell stories. At least 15 years of living and exploring the coastal mountain ranges on my mountain bike. One week I'm riding through a forest, and the next week it looks as if an atomic bomb blast occurred.

And in Oregon it was even worse than Cal. I was forced out of that state by witnessing the forest being cut around my farm. I will never forget seeing the beautiful forests downed, and then bulldozed and burned. Animals fleeing.

And I'm far from stupid. I presently own a timber ranch. And I've had discussions with foresters and state employees on the subject of how to cut trees.

I could write a book, but I'm short of time right now, and have to go. But this is a subject I feel strongly about. Once again, it boils down to population. I've seen the tree spikes in Humboldt county, and I have to laugh. I'm glad they did it, but it's like dealing with population by picketing the maternity ward. We've really got to address the root issues. Oh screw it. I'm wasting my breath.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 02:31 PM

29. Own "a timber ranch" in which state?

 

In coastal Washington the best forest practice is moderate-sized (40 acres or less) clear cuts of mature (50-70 years old) forests. It is best for rivers, it is best for habitat and it is best for trees.

It is also precisely the kind of forestry that so "sickens" passing bicylists.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:07 PM

30. California

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:26 PM

31. yup yup..

 

Just two days ago, my buddy and I were scouting new (hopefully) mushroom grounds.. we ended up on, I think, state forest road 49... runs up into the coastal range from just east of Tokeland up into the hills and comes out by the Ocean Spray plant on the south side of the harbor... there was logging going on in there, but there was far, far more virgin forest land. All about the balance, IMO.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #31)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:20 PM

37. Some of the most destructive logging I've seen has been selective cutting.

 

The erosion was horrible (it was on a slope) the damage to the understory was complete and the leave trees were significantly harmed.

... but it looked pretty good from the road.

Better to log an area, replant it immediately, thin it in 15 years then decommission the road. Check on it 35 years after that.

In our area, immature trees are cut for money and public relations reasons. The biggest logs I see on trucks are 35 years old or so. Consequently, in a chicken and the egg quandary, there are no sawmills which can handle big logs. Forests outside riparian management zones never mature to become the kind of "majestic old growth" (i.e. "older than me" forests that passers-by so object to seeing harvested.

FWIW, the worst logging practices you'll ever see are on the Quinault Indian Nation. Take a drive up to Queets some day (you'll have to detour a bit off the highway) and you'll see what I mean.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:30 PM

17. "Fool 'Em Strips"

 

I've flown over some of the same country I've driven through...and the difference is shocking when you can actually see the effect of all the clearcutting. You can't see this from the highway, by deliberate design.

Still...I have zero interest in living anywhere else.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:39 PM

40. You can always tell, even decades later. Replacing natural forest with patches of homogeneous,

 

fast growing species. It's very sad.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:15 AM

7. I love Oregon and Washington, the Northwest is the best.

Been all over Oregon, Roseburg Rainbow Gathering, lived outside of Eugene for awhile in 1977, hung out on the Rogue, up at Cougar Hot Springs, lived outside Bend for a bit, hit the coast towns, the Cascades, Crater lake, Mt St Helens, the Columbia Gorge, the Blue Mtns. Pendleton Rodeo, the Steens, Warner Lakes, Oregon Country Fair.

Oregon is a great place, but I grew up in rural E. Washington and am more partial to it than Oregon.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:23 AM

8. All Oregonians go to heaven when they die. They are too wet to burn.

Oldest known Oregon joke. (me=Portland native.)


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Response to dimbear (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:04 PM

24. I've lived here all my life, and I've never heard that joke before.

I like that one...even though I don't believe in hell.

Yay for the rainy/cloudy/temperate PNW.

Only place I'd rather live is the southwest coast of B.C. (Climate change is making it too warm here, for my taste, and the population is getting too big.

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Response to dimbear (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:01 PM

27. Most of Oregon is pretty darn dry...

Lots of forest fires every summer. A good reason to live on the coast with its clean air!

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:54 AM

9. Just moved to the Oregon coast this spring

to a wonderful, caring community that I didn't think existed anymore. The ocean right there, lakes and forests every else. Great place IMHO.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:25 PM

10. green and Green.

Trees.
Rocks.
Water, water, water. Ocean, lakes, rivers.
Fish.
Wildlife.
MOUNTAINS.
desert

The physical beauty keeps me grounded. For the rest:

Politically divided by the Cascades, with most of the liberals on the West side and the conservatives on the east. Most, not all. Of course, the population is much larger on the West, so the governor and 2 senators are Democrats.

Speaking of Senators, Wyden and Merkley are 2 of the Senate's best. Some of the House members from the West are standouts, too. De Fazio, for example. Not my rep, but I love him.

No sales tax. Has it's pros and cons.

Costs a hell of a lot less to register a vehicle than it does to the south in CA.

PORTLAND: the best large city in the U.S., in my opinion.

Ducks and Beavers.

The Oregon Health Plan.

The just-signed student loan bill: Pay it forward, pay it back.

BEER.

The Oregon Working Families Party and fusion voting.

VOTING BY MAIL

The Oregon Country Fair.

Hot springs and waterfalls

LONG summer days, short winter days.

Blackberries, MARION BERRIES, hazelnuts, cheese, salmon, christmas trees

Friendly people

Lighthouses

Whale watching from the shore

Covered bridges

I love Oregon.






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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:30 PM

13. being wrecked by transplants busy turning it into teabag central

 

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:32 PM

14. Oregon is a God Awful Place

And should be avoided at all costs. At least until my wife and I finish buying a house there...

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:50 PM

20. We plan to be living there by the end of 2014

We drove through it on our way to Seattle to see our first and only grandchild, and fell in love with Oregon.
It would be half way between two of our sons & close enough for the other one who will be staying in SoCal..and the house prices there are fantastic compared to the Seattle area & here in SoCal.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:27 PM

16. You wouldn't like it here.

 

Dreadful place, Oregon...I suggest staying away.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:37 PM

18. I'd advise against moving here...

unless you like all the stuff you've listed.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:08 PM

21. Too many Californian's

Half of my family lives in Oregon, and I own a home and land in Oregon, but I say that as a California resident. There are waaaay too many people in Oregon who are trying to turn it into California.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:54 PM

22. Oregon is awesome..

 

My wife's mother and sister & BiL live in the Portland area.. my old bands did many, many gigs in Portland Salem, Eugene etc.. the coast is one of my "fantasy retirement" locales.. great fishing, shellfishing, foraging and "food culture"...and, last I heard, Portland has the most strip clubs per capita in the country

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 02:22 PM

28. Oregon also has been one of the least religious states in the country too...

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2013/02/oregon_not_quite_most_unchurch.html

It certainly is the least religious of west coast states in the most recent Gallup survey, and according to this poll is the state with the largest population of residents with no religious identity...



http://www.gallup.com/poll/122075/religious-identity-states-differ-widely.aspx

As was the case in a state-by-state analysis of the percentage of Americans saying religion is important in their daily lives, the states with the highest percentage of adult residents saying they have no religious identity are in the Northeast and the Northwest regions of the country.

Oregon tops the list, with 25% of its residents claiming no particular religious identity, followed closely by Vermont at 24%. Other states with at least 20% "no religion" are Washington, Alaska, New Hampshire, Hawaii, and Maine.


Heard that Portland actually has more strip clubs than churches per capita... So I guess Portland is more of a "sin city" than Vegas?

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:39 PM

35. Lol.. very true.. plus, didn't Dumbya's dad refer to it as

 

"The People's Republic of Portland"? All the more reason to love it!

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

42. Little Beirut. This was after the WTO police riots, IIRC. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #42)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:51 PM

43. Ah. ok.. might just be a Thom Hartmann thing then.

 

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:34 PM

23. I grew up around Springfield

I left 16 years ago to find a family.
I was deluded by someone that has a hard time telling the truth.
I'm going home, soon.
I tell people that I went to a high school with 300 kids, total.
We skipped school and went...fishing.
The McKenzie and Willamette rivers are world class fishery's.
Oh, we drank tokay wine and smoked pot, but we fished.
Hiking into high lakes, watching the persieds at Crescent lake.
Working in sawmills (god I loved the smell of ceder)
Swimming in the creeks and lakes...I miss it.

When I was flying home from Germany after my stint in the Army, we were on the glide path for Sea-Tac.
I looked down and saw a pristine high lake and told myself "Thats for me"
Lost my mill job in 81, they cut out the head rig ( the big saw that cuts up the whole logs)
My buddy said " well thats it boys we aint working there anymore"
I moved to HI. and then Alaska then home to drive a truck.
I really havnt 'been' home since 81.

And I miss the hell out of it.
I'll fish the high lakes again, just wont be running to them like we used to.

Lots of the guys I ran with are gone now, I'll meet up with them at the Erma Bells Lakes.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:28 PM

25. Its been a few years

since I was there.I thought driving I-84 along the Columbia River was beautiful,and I remember having some tasty onion rings at a place called Burgerville USA because of this sign.



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Response to Go Vols (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:28 PM

38. Burgerville is awesome

They're all over Oregon. Make sure to get their Walla Walla onion rings whens they're in season. Mike's Drive-in (Sellwood, Oregon City, and Milwaukee) make great burgers too.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:53 PM

44. One of life's great mysteries.

 

Burgerville burgers are just awful. Tiny, expensive, and tasteless, but the natives sure do love them. We were told later that the shakes and fries are the draw. OTOH, there is an In-N-Out in Redding, so long distance burger runs are possible.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:19 PM

26. I live in Wine Country. Where is Oregon?

 

If you live where I live, there is nowhere else.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

32. I drove from Astoria, OR, to Lincoln City last week

Most beautiful drive I've ever done

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Response to Recursion (Reply #32)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:31 PM

39. Down the coast?

I agree its beautiful, but I prefer the drive from the coast to Corvallis. I forget the name of the highway.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:31 PM

33. I wanna go back!

One of the beaches is my screen saver. I dream about going back.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:35 PM

34. I've heard great things

My grandfather dropped out of school and took a boat\raft from South Dakota to Oregon. He talked a lot bout how beautiful it was.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 07:26 PM

36. I love Oregon, my adopted home and place of healing. She flies with her own wings.

 

So many great features of Oregon mentioned in this thread, I'll add some of the best theater in the country at Oregon Shakespeare Festival, in overly beautiful Ashland, 9 months out of the year they are doing something worth watching.
Also vote by mail and the high turnouts that come with it.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:44 PM

41. The bridge by where I grew up

 

images


There is no better place on earth.

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