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KarKar

(80 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:21 PM Aug 2013

On the Internet, no one knows you’re a bot. And that’s a problem.



Bots in general aren’t new. Your spam folder is filled to the brim with e-mails from them. But what is new is how difficult it is to identify some social bots and how they are being deployed to influence things outside of our commercial interactions, like political dialogues.

For example, a recent New York Times piece on social bots reported that thousands of Twitter bots started flooding the digital conversation during a dispute over a Russian parliamentary election in 2011, aiming to drown out anti-Kremlin activists. And similar tactics were deployed by the beleaguered Syrian government.

It’s easy to see how tyrants could find such a campaign an attractive way to reduce the radically democratizing power of freedom of speech online. Sure, the general public may be outraged by some government scandal and take to the Internet to voice their complaints. But you can deploy an even greater number of bots to fight with them online, and they may give up hope on a cause: If everyone else talking about an issue supports the government on this policy, what chance is there at reform? Since some researchers estimate that only 35 percent of the average Twitter user’s followers are real people right now and that within two years about 10 percent of the activity on social online networks will bots, it’s a very real possibility that bots could have major influence on these kinds of debates.

Of course, this is a familiar concept. For years, governments and companies have been paying actual people to comment online, creating digital astroturf movements that obscure and influence real public sentiment. But bots are becoming better at imitating real people, fed by news databases and given realistic sleep cycles. There are also persona management systems (like the one ordered by the U.S. Airforce) that make it easier to keep track of these automatic sock puppets while giving them digital footprints that spread across social networks — and making it harder to tell the people from the machines.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/13/on-the-internet-no-one-knows-youre-a-bot-and-thats-a-problem/
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On the Internet, no one knows you’re a bot. And that’s a problem. (Original Post) KarKar Aug 2013 OP
actually the person reading this d_r Aug 2013 #1
Exactly. I know I'M real. I don't know about any other "posters" here CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #12
On the internet Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #16
**jk+as:@err{2-00_) snooper2 Aug 2013 #2
That is one stupid ass video Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #5
Yeah, that wasn't that good.. snooper2 Aug 2013 #7
OH NOES! 90-percent Aug 2013 #3
All of the entire works of literature are just different combinations of 26 letters Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #4
700 monkeys, 700 typewriters, 700 years... Wednesdays Aug 2013 #19
" fed by news databases and given realistic sleep cycles." Progressive dog Aug 2013 #6
Not all of them Fumesucker Aug 2013 #8
Some of us know. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #9
robo-kick Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #10
Bots are bubble-headed boonies. riqster Aug 2013 #27
OPs with a pic, 4 paragraphs, a link, but no commentary ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #11
I post like that Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2013 #21
The thing I notice with that particular style ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #22
The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything. bvar22 Aug 2013 #13
+1 Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #28
I used to program bots in the old days on IRC. tridim Aug 2013 #14
0100100100100000011000010110110100100000011011100110111101110100001000000110000100100000011000100110 Incitatus Aug 2013 #15
Watch your damn mouth, or I'm gonna alert Wednesdays Aug 2013 #20
I'd like to know Grovelbot's opinion on this. Myrina Aug 2013 #17
We all know how to stop a bot... longship Aug 2013 #18
No one? blogslut Aug 2013 #23
I agree. Rex Aug 2013 #24
How do you KNOW for sure? bvar22 Aug 2013 #29
This thread is just asking for it.... Xolodno Aug 2013 #25
cool picture quinnox Aug 2013 #26

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
12. Exactly. I know I'M real. I don't know about any other "posters" here
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:09 PM
Aug 2013


I don't take cyberspace seriously at all. What matters are the people who actually KNOW you and interact with you - in person, or at least voice to voice. Anyone can selectively throw a bunch of words into a post. Or not. Especially on an open forum such as this.
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
5. That is one stupid ass video
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Aug 2013

And no...you aren't as funny as Zach Galifiniakis just because you try to look like him, YouTube douche bag guy.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
3. OH NOES!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:35 PM
Aug 2013

You mean that cute little girl that pops up in the lower right hand corner of porn sites isn't a real person? I've given that bitch some of the best online raps of my life......and all for naught! dammit!

-90% Jimmy

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
19. 700 monkeys, 700 typewriters, 700 years...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:24 PM
Aug 2013

I never spend much time in school but I taught ladies plenty. It's true I hire my body out for pay, hey hey. I've gotten burned over Cheryl Tiegs, blown up for Raquel Welch. But when I end up in the hay it's only hay, hey hey. I might jump an open drawbridge, or Tarzan from a vine. 'Cause I'm the unknown stuntman that makes Eastwood look so fine.

Beer pilsner ibu becher imperial berliner weisse. Bottle conditioning dunkle terminal gravity ester carboy. Wort chiller malt abv wort dry hopping. Barrel bright beer hefe hard cider aerobic adjunct scotch ale adjunct adjunct yeast, "microbrewery." Wort krausen final gravity; fermentation dry hopping brewing.

And by Sarah Palin:
We can't afford to lose who's more apt to be talking about solutions finding a solution and taking action. As Putin rears his head who are hell bent to help shore up our economy. It's very important when you consider even with inalienable rights has to be considered also. And as Ronald Reagan believed that the dealings with Freddie and Fannie of the evil in the world. Senator McCain also showed great appreciation for what America who are hell bent good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
6. " fed by news databases and given realistic sleep cycles."
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:43 PM
Aug 2013

How brilliant, the bot coders figured out that real people sleep.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. OPs with a pic, 4 paragraphs, a link, but no commentary ...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Aug 2013

... by the OP "author" ... are usually bot OPs.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
21. I post like that
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:28 PM
Aug 2013

without commentary most of the time. I want to see the ensuing discussion without tainting it with my own opinion.

plus I got $0.45 for using big words in my reply to you.



I fear the humans behind the socks more than the bots.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
22. The thing I notice with that particular style ...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:36 PM
Aug 2013

Is that rarely does the opinion of the OP author differ from the opinion / position of the author of the article found at the link.

Sure, occasionally an article is written with nothing but facts, but that's rare. Most take a position.

Most of the links folks post on DU include a point of view that is being promoted, even if the form of promotion is just the OP with no commentary.

Having a bot do it is easy. An opinion site could run a simple program each day that does nothing but post canned references to their articles in an attempt to generate eyeballs.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:46 PM
Aug 2013
It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

woo me with science, Sun Jul 28, 2013


I approve the above message.

---bvar22
a mainstream center FDR/LBJ Loyal Working Class Democrat for over 46 years.
I haven't changed.


blogslut

(37,999 posts)
23. No one?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:38 PM
Aug 2013

Conversational bots just aren't that sophisticated. They still haven't gotten past the "I'm just a sexy girl!" stage.

Now, there are programs that can allow a user to automatically sign up for community/social sites and begin auto-posting numerous times, and once banned, re-register and re-post again and again. Just the same, those spammer-bots are pretty freaking recognizable as well.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. I agree.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
Aug 2013

They don't sometimes articulate very good at all their point. Which always stays the same point and never wavers.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
29. How do you KNOW for sure?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:58 PM
Aug 2013

..maybe those are just the bad bots cleverly deployed to make you think you can tell the difference?


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