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Click the link. Just go on and click it...You will NOT be sorry, I guarantee it. (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 OP
+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #1
bbbut it's from the Middle Ages! MisterP Aug 2013 #2
Beautiful! Squinch Aug 2013 #3
k&r... spanone Aug 2013 #4
Thank you so much for posting this - it is a beautiful interlude csziggy Aug 2013 #5
You're so very welcome, my dear csziggy.............I needed it too. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #6
Thank You. Nothing more to be said. Lochloosa Aug 2013 #7
So God knows his mathematics. Not surprising since he invented math in the first place. Kablooie Aug 2013 #8
Playing Devil's Advocate in this case might not be quite as devilish (or heretical) as you may think Volaris Aug 2013 #23
Not to put too fine a point on it Breaking Bad overlaps Dexter. A terrible calamity. Kablooie Aug 2013 #28
Well, there's your problem right there... Volaris Aug 2013 #41
Good post. loudsue Aug 2013 #37
I don't see it that way. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #34
Thats just it though...for the Faithful, it sure as hell IS possible Volaris Aug 2013 #42
In no conceivable universe can a false statement be true. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #46
Thank you! Stargazer09 Aug 2013 #9
I'm so glad I could help! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #10
I hope so, too Stargazer09 Aug 2013 #13
Cool-- I almost had a flashback. panader0 Aug 2013 #11
You're one of the few DU'ers who can say that without a blurb about the subject... ms liberty Aug 2013 #12
+1 Matariki Aug 2013 #19
Aw, thank you, my dear ms liberty... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #24
The golden spiral. Rex Aug 2013 #14
Artist have long drawn on the golden mean/spiral/ratio. alfredo Aug 2013 #29
Wonderful examples, thanks for posting them alfredo. Scuba Aug 2013 #50
Thanks. My high school art classes paid off. alfredo Aug 2013 #57
And led right into the golden angle NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #31
Cool Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #15
Thank you CP. love_katz Aug 2013 #16
I know I'm supposed to be learning something, but is it ok Lifelong Protester Aug 2013 #17
Of course it's OK! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #25
As you might guess from my avatar, this one touched me where I live starroute Aug 2013 #18
I am really glad it did that for you...Your avatar is beautiful! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #27
It is such a privilege to experience that. johnnyreb Aug 2013 #20
WE are all the same, my dear Peggy MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #21
Anyone else see the numbers and think of ''LOST'' ? :) Tx4obama Aug 2013 #22
You were right. It's beautiful. Bette Noir Aug 2013 #26
Elegant and beautiful--thanks for posting. Mr_Jefferson_24 Aug 2013 #30
Isn't nature amazingly beautiful? 2naSalit Aug 2013 #32
+0.6180339! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #33
1.618034 mick063 Aug 2013 #35
I have never heard that claim. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #36
Only as the numbers increase to infinity ... (this story was originally told about rabbits, FWIW) eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #54
When I input N[2/(Sqrt[5] + 1), 20] into the program Mathematica, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #39
the ratio mick063 Aug 2013 #45
Bookmarked ... thanks Peg lpbk2713 Aug 2013 #38
My dear lpbk2713! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #40
a very lovely depiction of math, space, geometry, beauty and life... defacto7 Aug 2013 #43
VIDEO from youtube (I always have trouble with other players) so this is how I saw it: freshwest Aug 2013 #44
Thank you SO MUCH, my dear freshwest... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #47
You're welcome. You can download it and loop it and it'll go as long as you want. The music is great freshwest Aug 2013 #49
Brilliant, CP. Thank you. If we had a mathematicians group on DU, SwissTony Aug 2013 #48
k&r Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #51
Elegant and Inspiring! bvar22 Aug 2013 #52
Normally I don't click on links with no explanation... HarveyDarkey Aug 2013 #53
Magnificent malaise Aug 2013 #55
As we said in the 60s,... MarianJack Aug 2013 #56

Kablooie

(18,603 posts)
8. So God knows his mathematics. Not surprising since he invented math in the first place.
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:33 PM
Aug 2013

I'm playing Fundamental Christian devil's advocate here.
They need a good advocate of the devil to get their point across.

Cool film though.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
23. Playing Devil's Advocate in this case might not be quite as devilish (or heretical) as you may think
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:29 PM
Aug 2013

It seems inevitable that a certian contingent among the Human species will always have a need, and see a usefulness for, Faith (as opposed to organised Religion, which is a different animal altogether). Since that is the reality the rest of us face, it may be in our best interest to adapt arguments that embrace the BEST qualities of thier Faith, rather than trying to argue them to a position of faithless-NESS, which I'm not convinced can actually be done.

In that vein, any description of a Godhead that doesn't meet the functional definition of "All-Knowing", isn't REALLY a Godhead, and is therefore incomplete, and the worship of such an incompleteness is considered by many Faith Traditions to be a form of outright Blasphemy.

If your God isn't smart enough to understand that Biology is simply an emergent form of CHEMISTRY, what you're worshiping isn't really God, but rather, an external projection of you OWN lack of understanding.

Just an obsevation, and (I've found) a quite useful one.

Peace, because Dexter is on=)

Kablooie

(18,603 posts)
28. Not to put too fine a point on it Breaking Bad overlaps Dexter. A terrible calamity.
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:33 PM
Aug 2013

And both are going into their last season.
Things like this drive me into piracy.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
41. Well, there's your problem right there...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:07 AM
Aug 2013

we don't call it piracy. we call it "on demand" vewing=).

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
34. I don't see it that way.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:19 AM
Aug 2013

Math would be the same with or without a god. Math can be discovered, but not invented. Even if there were an omnipotent being, he, she, or it could not create a world where 1 + 1 = 3. That's because the truths of mathematics are timeless and universal.

If horses had gods, their gods would look like horses. But horses are sensible animals; they are not afflicted by religion or other superstitions.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
42. Thats just it though...for the Faithful, it sure as hell IS possible
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:21 AM
Aug 2013

for there to be a God-created Universe where 1+1=3. That the Universe is the way it it IS, can only mean that it's the universe as "God" WANTS it to be, evolution and all. This conclusion allows people of honest Faith to function scientifically from the same playbook as all of the worlds Atheists, Agnostics, and non-Christians, which is a pretty decent place to be if you like Science, Tehchology, and the advancement of civilation and culture that comes along with those things.

You're right about Horses and Gods. That Humans are rather limited in our natural understnading of Nature, is why a lot of our Gods seem to be too. Science expands our understanding of nature, and, if you can allow for the possibility, helps us envision better, more accurate, more Enlightened forms of what a Universal Creator-God can be, even if you yourself (and, for the most part, me) don't believe such Fairy Tales.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
46. In no conceivable universe can a false statement be true.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:48 PM
Aug 2013

The most you can reasonably assert is that some otherwise intelligent organisms might believe that 1+1=3.

Such organisms would never develop a civilization.

Stargazer09

(2,131 posts)
9. Thank you!
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:36 PM
Aug 2013

I have a child with a stomach virus tonight, and I really needed something beautiful to help clear my mind.

Stargazer09

(2,131 posts)
13. I hope so, too
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:43 PM
Aug 2013

He's such a sweetheart, and I know he didn't mean to make such a mess (he's 9, but he's not neurotypical). I'm going to show him the video tomorrow, because I think he will enjoy it.

Again, thank you.

ms liberty

(8,544 posts)
12. You're one of the few DU'ers who can say that without a blurb about the subject...
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
Aug 2013

I'm glad it was you, I might have missed it had a different member posted it, and that would have been a shame. So beautiful! Thank you, CP!

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,499 posts)
25. Of course it's OK!
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:32 PM
Aug 2013

I'm not mathematically inclined either, although right now I wish I were...

It is very pretty!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
21. WE are all the same, my dear Peggy
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:20 PM
Aug 2013

That's what it means to me... The message is always beautiful, and humbling...

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
35. 1.618034
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:26 AM
Aug 2013


Someone confirm this for me.

I have heard that if you put two sheep on an island, none died from attrition, and all were born fertile, the population growth would be by the ratio of 1.618034.


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
36. I have never heard that claim.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:34 AM
Aug 2013

I only know that in the seventies, I derived that figure using a calculator.

I know of the golden section diagram, the golden proportion, but not the values involved.

So I set our to solve by trial and error the number that would satisfy "x" in the equation below:

1/x = x+1

.6180339 comes close, and is called "phi"/

1/.6180339 = 1.6180339

The sheep, I don't know about that but let me know if you find out!

eppur_se_muova

(36,246 posts)
54. Only as the numbers increase to infinity ... (this story was originally told about rabbits, FWIW)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:06 PM
Aug 2013

If you take the ratio of two successive Fibos, you get ...

1/1 = 1
2/1 = 2
3/2 = 1.5
5/3 = 1.6666
8/5 = 1.6
13/8 = 1.625
21/13 = 1.6154
...

These form successive approximations to ? from above and below.
Start from any two numbers in place of 1 and 1 and you get the same result !
To calculate the nth Fibo quickly just calculate ?n, divide by √5, and round to the nearest integer (Binet's formula). ?n itself rounds to the nearest Lucas number.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
39. When I input N[2/(Sqrt[5] + 1), 20] into the program Mathematica,
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:48 AM
Aug 2013

the output is 0.618033988749894848, which is accurate to 20 decimal places. The actual golden ratio and its inverse are irrational numbers; their decimal expansions go on forever without falling into repetitive patterns.

On the other hand, when i input 0.6180339!, the output is 0.895673. To a math geek, "!" means factorial (which is generalized via the Gamma function).

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
45. the ratio
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:26 AM
Aug 2013

0+1 =1
1+1=2
2+1=3
3+2=5
5+3=8
8+5=13
13+8=21
21+13=34
34+21=55
55+34=89


89 divided by 55= 1.618181818

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,499 posts)
40. My dear lpbk2713!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:51 AM
Aug 2013

Every time I watch it, I start to cry...

It is that beautiful.

We need truly beautiful things like this.....it's so easy to become brutalized in our daily lives...



defacto7

(13,485 posts)
43. a very lovely depiction of math, space, geometry, beauty and life...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:58 AM
Aug 2013

all connected in a natural web that is reality. Just connect the numbers!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. VIDEO from youtube (I always have trouble with other players) so this is how I saw it:
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:53 AM
Aug 2013


Absolutely beautiful, uplifting and enlightening.

Thanks, CP!!

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,499 posts)
47. Thank you SO MUCH, my dear freshwest...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:27 PM
Aug 2013

Because YouTube allows the big screen view, I saw it that way, and WOW. Overwhelmingly beautiful.

I just never get tired of seeing this; I wish it were 10 minutes long.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
49. You're welcome. You can download it and loop it and it'll go as long as you want. The music is great
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:21 PM
Aug 2013

I wish youtube would allow looping but if they did they'd break their servers. They have wonderful music with many amateur slideshows there. I would have never heard or purchased from iTunes or Amazon without hearing them first at youtube from the community there.

Whenever you want that full screen aspect, put the name of the video into the youtube search bar and most likely, it will already be there.

I spent a lot of time there until they made me switch to a gmail account and it fouled up my regular email and now I can't log in anymore. I miss my friends from around the world there, much more positive than DU most days.

I'm going to check another ISP to save money and see if I'll stay on broadband or not, maybe I can set up a new account, IDK but all the new formats mess with my iMac.


SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
48. Brilliant, CP. Thank you. If we had a mathematicians group on DU,
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:47 PM
Aug 2013

I'd nominate you for entry. You'd have to say "maths" instead of "math" unless pokerfan beats me for the presidency.

 

HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
53. Normally I don't click on links with no explanation...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:00 PM
Aug 2013

But since it's you CP, the nicest person on DU, I did. You're right, I wasn't sorry. Thank you lady.

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