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(51,920 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:20 PM Aug 2013

i have my doubts about gravity because newton was a slave-trading heretic

and computers? are you kidding? turing was teh gay!

game theory? oh come ON! have you seen "a beautiful mind"??

i'm going to be researching a lot more about the people who come up with all these wacky ideas, some of which we've been brainwashed with in school and college. if the people behind these ideas and figures and such are not morally right, religiously right, sexually right, clean as an arrow and pure of soul, i'm not really going to believe any of their so-called "physics" or "math" or "facts" or whatever else they're peddling!



ben franklin was a notorious philanderer! what did he get his mitts on?







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i have my doubts about gravity because newton was a slave-trading heretic (Original Post) unblock Aug 2013 OP
We've all known since 2006 that gravity isn't real! n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #1
LOL! LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #18
May 5, 1961 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #29
Well... actually... Scootaloo Aug 2013 #53
There is no gravity... Wounded Bear Aug 2013 #128
About that size-of-the-universe stuff-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #2
Steve Jobs took acid (talked about it in public) and was a Buddhist. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #23
I knew Macs didn't really exist rbrnmw Aug 2013 #38
Those ipads ipods and iphones rbrnmw Aug 2013 #39
If people now-a-days only knew. RC Aug 2013 #3
It helps to have an agenda Hydra Aug 2013 #4
And just forget about Einstein. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #5
i don't trust a man who can't comb his hair. unblock Aug 2013 #6
Well, that rules out Godel too. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #7
well i hear he was an incomplete and inconsistent man, but i can't prove it. unblock Aug 2013 #8
LOL! +1000. nt napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #9
And I'm not too sure about that Heisenberg guy, either!! lastlib Aug 2013 #162
hey, isn't he that meth chemist guy? unblock Aug 2013 #165
Ada Lovelace, the worlds very first computer-programmer, was a woman. Does that count? DetlefK Aug 2013 #10
well i can easily dodge this question as i've already dismissed computers entirely ;) unblock Aug 2013 #11
Of course it matters - how dare she be a woman! demwing Aug 2013 #27
She came up with the concept of computer "bugs" IDemo Aug 2013 #51
Grace Hopper found the first actual "bug". riqster Aug 2013 #84
i just saw the story of her life SwampG8r Aug 2013 #73
Mr. Neville Shunt: riqster Aug 2013 #85
Read this tiny subthread R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #12
lol! unblock Aug 2013 #13
LOL! Aerows Aug 2013 #33
Thumbs up!!!! Heidi Aug 2013 #111
and the Royal Society is a buncha Rosicrucians! and Copernicus cited Hermes Trismegistus! MisterP Aug 2013 #14
The OP is obviously a reaction to something that s/he thinks everybody knows about ... Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #15
questioning my motives! how dare you! unblock Aug 2013 #16
No. I'm questioning your method. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #17
well it's reasonable to dismiss everything i post, anyway. i'm an atheist, after all! unblock Aug 2013 #20
Tesla: Hysterical Attention Whore LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #19
shocking! unblock Aug 2013 #21
heh heh heh demwing Aug 2013 #28
As are Plato Aerows Aug 2013 #56
Wonderful! Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #22
Too bad that DUzys are so much work. Lots of good stuff on this thread n/t eridani Aug 2013 #24
K&R Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #25
Is Someone Questioning a Law of Physics? Skraxx Aug 2013 #26
Einstein wasn't a flawed, hypocritical, proven liar? Aerows Aug 2013 #31
worse, einstein had an *agenda*! there was even some talk about him and the presidency of israel! unblock Aug 2013 #35
I'm still waiting for the questioning of the Laws of Physics claim Aerows Aug 2013 #37
Yes Aerows Aug 2013 #40
So No One Is Questioning a Law of Physics? Skraxx Aug 2013 #42
I'm ready when you are Aerows Aug 2013 #45
About What? Physics? Testable and Falsifiable Hypotheses? Skraxx Aug 2013 #49
i never had a problem with that, but the credibility of its proponents has be called into question. unblock Aug 2013 #59
Cat plays with mouse; mouse befuddled LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #77
So Then You Don't Understand The Concept Of Testable Hypotheses Skraxx Aug 2013 #86
*i* understand the concept. but i'm told to focus on the proponents rather than the data unblock Aug 2013 #90
Who Is Telling You To Ignore Scientific Evidence? Skraxx Aug 2013 #94
why, it's all around us! unblock Aug 2013 #99
Is A Law of Phsyics the Same Thing as Any Old "idea and agenda"? Skraxx Aug 2013 #101
It is to truthers jberryhill Aug 2013 #109
. Iggo Aug 2013 #96
You have to understand. GG's words are as irrefutable as gravity. joshcryer Aug 2013 #83
Is That What This Is About? Comparing A Law of Physics To Glenn Greenwalds Reporting? Skraxx Aug 2013 #87
Seriously, I don't see anyone questioning the Law of Physics Aerows Aug 2013 #32
Then What Is This Post About Newton? Skraxx Aug 2013 #43
Thread derail = successful Aerows Aug 2013 #46
Is This Post About Newton and the Law of Gravity? Is the OP Unclear on the Concept of Testable Skraxx Aug 2013 #47
It is quite an impressive piece of ironic writing Riftaxe Aug 2013 #66
Whoa Aerows Aug 2013 #74
I'm a progressive, and a lesbian Aerows Aug 2013 #75
I read that post as his imagining being a liberal is left of progressive BainsBane Aug 2013 #76
So His Reporting Is Akin To A Law of Physics? His Claims Are Testable and Falsifiable? Skraxx Aug 2013 #88
PLONK. sibelian Aug 2013 #68
no, no, no. PLANK! unblock Aug 2013 #70
No..... PLANCK jberryhill Aug 2013 #103
arrgh! curse that crazy german spelling! unblock Aug 2013 #105
I'm pretty sure all science is now wrong thanks to OP. joshcryer Aug 2013 #82
This isn't a Clapper thread. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #107
I doubt that Democracy stuff Aerows Aug 2013 #30
I once made a scale-model country out of colored clay. riqster Aug 2013 #34
LMAO! n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #36
My work here is done. Tip your servers! riqster Aug 2013 #52
I'm usually sharper than this Aerows Aug 2013 #55
You're Comparing Ideas about Democracy with a Law of Physics? Are They The Same Type of Thing? Skraxx Aug 2013 #44
Derail thread = successful Aerows Aug 2013 #48
This OP is not About Questioning Gravity? Then What is it About? Skraxx Aug 2013 #50
Scientists proved the theory of gravity was flawed LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #78
Indeed! Skraxx Aug 2013 #89
Who? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #91
You Know, The Messiah, Glenn Greenwald Skraxx Aug 2013 #95
As a scientist, I am not familiar with his work LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #98
What Facts? Scientific Facts And Laws of Physics? Or Unfalsifiable Claims Made by Individuals? Skraxx Aug 2013 #102
no no no. It's all about personalities silly LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #112
So Someone is Claiming Laws of Physics are Evaluated on Personality? Skraxx Aug 2013 #113
I've certainly come to that view LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #114
Where is this Evaluation of Physical Laws Based on Personality Happening? Skraxx Aug 2013 #115
Well, I've been reading a lot lately LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #116
What "Empirical Facts"? Where is This Questioning Laws of Physics? Skraxx Aug 2013 #117
Why didn't you complain about this in 2006? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #118
So, No Examples of Someone Questioning A Law of Phyiscs? Got it, thanks! Skraxx Aug 2013 #121
If you don't agree with me you must want Sarah Palin to be President LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #122
Still No Examples of People Questioning Laws of Physics I See, Just Non-Sequitors Skraxx Aug 2013 #123
How Many Boxes Do You Have In Your Garage? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #124
So That's a "No" Then, You Can't Support This Idiotic OP, Got It! Skraxx Aug 2013 #131
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a Pole Dancer? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #132
Are You Asking Me Out? Skraxx Aug 2013 #133
Are You Going to Get A Book Deal Out of This? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #135
What Sort of Pick Up Line Is That? Now I'm Losing Interest, You Better Step It Up Pal! Skraxx Aug 2013 #136
Did You Once Agree with Someone I Disagreed With? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #137
I Guess That Means You Can Fly! Who Knew Physics Was A Popularity Contest! Skraxx Aug 2013 #138
Do You Still Think This Thread is About Physics? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #139
No, But No One Has The Courage To Actually Admit What It's About Because You All Know How Flawed Skraxx Aug 2013 #141
Who? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #142
Still Don't Have The Courage To Actually Engage on the Topic I See Skraxx Aug 2013 #143
What? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #144
Exactly Skraxx Aug 2013 #145
Where? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #146
Wherever You Want, Punkin' Skraxx Aug 2013 #147
Who? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #149
You're Wearing A Sailor Boy Outfit Aren't You? Skraxx Aug 2013 #151
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491461 LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #152
Thong? Skraxx Aug 2013 #154
. LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #155
Pasties? Skraxx Aug 2013 #156
. LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #157
Merkin? Skraxx Aug 2013 #158
. LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #159
Codpiece?? Skraxx Aug 2013 #160
. LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #161
Now You're Singing To Me! I'm So Flattered! You Know You Want To Ask Me Out, Don't Be Shy! Skraxx Aug 2013 #164
This OP is not About Questioning Gravity? Then What is it About? Wounded Bear Aug 2013 #129
And? Skraxx Aug 2013 #130
Counting....nt Wounded Bear Aug 2013 #148
I Had My Doubts About Your Ability To Do So Skraxx Aug 2013 #150
Newton was an untrustworthy jerk because he liked sour green apples. Quantess Aug 2013 #41
And as we all know, God didn't make little green apples. nt riqster Aug 2013 #54
No! I don't trust his motives. Quantess Aug 2013 #58
Granny Smith apples, combined with Vidalia onions Aerows Aug 2013 #79
Hello? Why do you think they call it 'theory' of gravity? moobu2 Aug 2013 #57
what i want to know is, who signed thermodynamics into law, anyway? unblock Aug 2013 #61
You expect Obama to do this with a Republican House? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #80
Newton, Turing, and Einstein provided evidence for their theories Recursion Aug 2013 #60
no, no, no. can't trust evidence if the person pushing it has an agenda. unblock Aug 2013 #62
Well, to take this out of the analogy... Recursion Aug 2013 #63
greenwald? snowden? what *are* you going on about? unblock Aug 2013 #71
Evidence of physical laws can be reproduced by anyone jberryhill Aug 2013 #104
you're right! outside of the lab, we have to base everything on people's reputations and character. unblock Aug 2013 #106
Uh, no you don't jberryhill Aug 2013 #108
lol! sorry if the snark overload in this thread is leading you astray. unblock Aug 2013 #110
And anybody who doesn't agree with you is a goddamned racist! Th1onein Aug 2013 #64
you're goddamned right about that! or a homophobe! or a straight-ally-uh-ist. unblock Aug 2013 #67
Yeah, I'm not so sure it existed before science proved it. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #65
no, no, no. unblock Aug 2013 #69
Damn! My "generational bias" is showing!" Cerridwen Aug 2013 #72
Ones personal inclinations has zero bearing on science. joshcryer Aug 2013 #81
Ben Franklin was the Father of Our Country... literally. ananda Aug 2013 #92
haha! unblock Aug 2013 #100
I'm glad you cleared this up because right here on DU a Random poster told us that sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #93
Kicked, Rec'd, and Bookmarked. Iggo Aug 2013 #97
Good post. TransitJohn Aug 2013 #119
all I can say is WTF gopiscrap Aug 2013 #120
I think gravity should be part of the secret laws of physics KurtNYC Aug 2013 #125
good idea. in the meanwhile ponder this: drop an object at noon and it falls *away* from the sun! unblock Aug 2013 #127
A map might help LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #140
a map? what's that supposed to mean? i'm so lost. <<-- aha! aha!!!! unblock Aug 2013 #153
A map can answer physics questions OR LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #163
ah, a topological pun, well done! unblock Aug 2013 #166
Gravity is an illusion! lol n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #126
IKR?!?! Rex Aug 2013 #134
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. Well... actually...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:50 PM
Aug 2013

I'm not saying gravity isn't real, just that physics raises some very interesting question about whether MATTER is real, and thus we have to wonder just what the fuck gravity actually is. If it is.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. Steve Jobs took acid (talked about it in public) and was a Buddhist.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 06:07 PM
Aug 2013

One of the most meaningful to us at The Fix was what he said in a commencement address at Stanford University in 2005, a year after his cancer diagnosis: "Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma—which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.…Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle."

But equally suggestive, at least to us, is a quote from Steve Jobs to New York Times reporter John Markoff, who interviewed him for his 2005 book What the Doormouse Said: How the Sixties Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer. Speaking about his youthful experiments with psychedelics, Jobs said, "Doing LSD was one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." He was hardly alone among computer scientists in his appreciation of hallucinogenics and their capacity to liberate human thought from the prison of the mind. Jobs even let drop that Microsoft's Bill Gates would "be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." Apple's mantra was"Think different." Jobs did. And he credited his use of LSD as a major reason for his success.

http://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jobs-think-different-and-lsd-9143

Long before Steve Jobs became the CEO of Apple and one of the most recognizable figures on the planet, he took a unconventional route to find himself -- a spiritual journey that influenced every step of an unconventional career.

Jobs, who died Wednesday at the age of 56 of pancreatic cancer, was the biological child of two unmarried academics who only consented to signing the papers if the adoptive parents sent him to college.

His adoptive parents sent a young Jobs off to Reed College, an expensive liberal arts school in Oregon, but he dropped out and went to India in 1973 in search of enlightenment.

Jobs and his college friend Daniel Kottke, who later worked for him at Apple, visited Neem Karoli Baba at his Kainchi Ashram. He returned home to California a Buddhist, complete with a shaved head and traditional Indian clothing and a philosophy that may have shaped much of his corporate values.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/steve-jobs-buddhism-guided-life-mantra-focus-simplicity/story?id=14682458

I think I am right when I say that the surveillance will hamper our nation's most creative.

The internet has set off an explosion of creativity. That is what frightens our "leaders" and the repressive bureaucrats at the NSA about it.

Stopping progress. That is what the surveillance is about.

Return to the Middle Ages where you have to check in and check out when you walk through the gates in and out of your village.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
3. If people now-a-days only knew.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:29 PM
Aug 2013

History filters out the negative from the good guys and the good from the bad guys.
Too many here measure the cultures of the rest of the world and its history, from their own myopic world view. Anything past the fingers is too fuzzy to take notice of.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
4. It helps to have an agenda
Reply to RC (Reply #3)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:36 PM
Aug 2013

Filtering out facts to support a crooked worldview is the stuff history and its associated documentation are made of.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
6. i don't trust a man who can't comb his hair.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:46 PM
Aug 2013

then again, i don't trust a man with too well-combed hair, either.

or combed-over hair.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
7. Well, that rules out Godel too.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:56 PM
Aug 2013

They say he was obsessive about that sort of thing. Another loon to dismiss.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
73. i just saw the story of her life
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:22 PM
Aug 2013

to be honest the second part where she got out of porn is fuzzy
I had no idea she did programming

riqster

(13,986 posts)
85. Mr. Neville Shunt:
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:19 AM
Aug 2013

Art Critic: (John Cleese) Some people have made the mistake of seeing Shunt's work as a load of rubbish about railway timetables, but clever people like me, who talk loudly in restaurants, see this as a deliberate ambiguity, a plea for understanding in a mechanized world. The points are frozen, the beast is dead. What is the difference? What indeed is the point? The point is frozen, the beast is late out of Paddington. The point is taken. If La Fontaine's elk would spurn Tom Jones the engine must be our head, the dining car our esophagus, the guard's van our left lung, the cattle truck our shins, the first-class compartment the piece of skin at the nape of the neck and the level crossing an electric elk called Simon. The clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's over there in a box. Shunt is saying the 8:15 from Gillingham when in reality he means the 8:13 from Gillingham. The train is the same only the time is altered. Ecce homo, ergo elk. La Fontaine knew his sister and knew her bloody well. The point is taken, the beast is moulting, the fluff gets up your nose. The illusion is complete; it is reality, the reality is illusion and the ambiguity is the only truth. But is the truth, as Hitchcock observes, in the box? No there isn't room, the ambiguity has put on weight. The point is taken, the elk is dead, the beast stops at Swindon, Chabrol stops at nothing, I'm having treatment and La Fontaine can get knotted.

http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode24.htm

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
14. and the Royal Society is a buncha Rosicrucians! and Copernicus cited Hermes Trismegistus!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:27 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:32 PM - Edit history (6)

the 1st Amendment was written by the Fifth Monarchists! the steam engine was devised by a phrenologist wizard! the Spanish word for "fact" is the same as for "magic spell"! the u-joint was invented by an astrologer!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
15. The OP is obviously a reaction to something that s/he thinks everybody knows about ...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:40 PM
Aug 2013

... but is too lazy to provide the reference.

Next!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
17. No. I'm questioning your method.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:47 PM
Aug 2013

And now I'm questioning your thinking. Method and motives are very distinct.

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
26. Is Someone Questioning a Law of Physics?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
Aug 2013

Or are they questioning the veracity of a claim made by a flawed, hypocritical, proven liar?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. Einstein wasn't a flawed, hypocritical, proven liar?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:19 PM
Aug 2013

Oh, dear me. Let me recommend some books to you, starting with those that are biographies of Albert Einstein, since you brought up Physics.

Oh, and Thomas Edison, if you REALLY want to get your flaws on. And your hypocrisy. And your lies.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
35. worse, einstein had an *agenda*! there was even some talk about him and the presidency of israel!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:28 PM
Aug 2013

oh, sure, he denied it, but are you going to believe that flawed, hypocritical, proven liar?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. I'm still waiting for the questioning of the Laws of Physics claim
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:30 PM
Aug 2013

That should be fascinating.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. Yes
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:37 PM
Aug 2013

That guy had nothing to say because he liked the wrong person. He didn't do jack shit, nor did Thomas Edison. Or George Washington Carver, for that matter.

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
49. About What? Physics? Testable and Falsifiable Hypotheses?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:45 PM
Aug 2013

The OP seems to have a problem with these concepts. Do you?

unblock

(51,920 posts)
59. i never had a problem with that, but the credibility of its proponents has be called into question.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:26 PM
Aug 2013

so i have to think, should i buy all that stuff given how questionable some of these characters are who advanced "science" and "math" and "computers" and so on???







and just in case you missed it from the o.p.:


unblock

(51,920 posts)
90. *i* understand the concept. but i'm told to focus on the proponents rather than the data
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:58 AM
Aug 2013

my father is a scientist and taught me all that at an early age.

but now i'm starting to doubt his character as well. i mean for him to be involved in all that "science", i just don't know... and education, too! you just can't trust professors, you know. anyone with a beard is hiding something, or so I've heard....

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
94. Who Is Telling You To Ignore Scientific Evidence?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:11 AM
Aug 2013

And why are you listening to them? Are you that much of a pushover?

unblock

(51,920 posts)
99. why, it's all around us!
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:29 AM
Aug 2013

everywhere it seems, we're told that the character of the people pushing ideas and agendas is much more important than the actual documents people say that stole or whatever.

but now you've got me thinking, maybe the people telling me *that* have an agenda themselves!

i'm *so* confused!

wait, is that *your* agenda?

help!

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
87. Is That What This Is About? Comparing A Law of Physics To Glenn Greenwalds Reporting?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:51 AM
Aug 2013

That's pretty funny!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. Seriously, I don't see anyone questioning the Law of Physics
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:22 PM
Aug 2013

But if you would care to do so, I'm more than ready to see what you have in store.

*cracks knuckles*

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
47. Is This Post About Newton and the Law of Gravity? Is the OP Unclear on the Concept of Testable
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:44 PM
Aug 2013

Hypotheses and falsification? Are you unclear on the topic?

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
66. It is quite an impressive piece of ironic writing
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:48 PM
Aug 2013

I quite enjoyed it, but in this case I think it is safe enough to say it refers to Mr Greenwald. The progressive's first defense would be to dehumanize him just for being gay, alas they still need too many of us liberals to get away with that at the moment. So they fall back to attacking the messenger (He has faults, we can discount the message he brings us! We can just ignore what he says since he suffers from the same infirmity that inflicts every single person on the planet).

If you cannot refute the message no matter it's veracity, you try to discredit the messenger. Just look at all the worthy attempts on this board so far attempting to do so.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
74. Whoa
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:36 PM
Aug 2013

"The progressive's first defense would be to dehumanize him just for being gay"

Back up the fucking truck...

EDIT: I read it again to make sure I got that right.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
75. I'm a progressive, and a lesbian
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:47 PM
Aug 2013

for heaven's sake. I think you meant "third way" Democrats. At least that is what I hope you meant by this.

BainsBane

(52,999 posts)
76. I read that post as his imagining being a liberal is left of progressive
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
Aug 2013

or more committed to civil liberties. ( I certainly don't see it that way because I understand the historical origins of liberalism.)

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
82. I'm pretty sure all science is now wrong thanks to OP.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:26 PM
Aug 2013

We must throw out everything that science has discovered because OP says the people behind it are bad people.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. I doubt that Democracy stuff
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:17 PM
Aug 2013

because Plato was gay, and so was that Aristotle guy. They contributed nothing to society, while sitting there, detailing everything in their little .. note-stones.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
34. I once made a scale-model country out of colored clay.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:27 PM
Aug 2013

I called it "Play-Doh's Republic". (rimshot)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
55. I'm usually sharper than this
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:53 PM
Aug 2013

but get physics involved, and my math brain kicks in and won't quit.

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
50. This OP is not About Questioning Gravity? Then What is it About?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:45 PM
Aug 2013
"i have my doubts about gravity because newton was a slave-trading heretic"

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
78. Scientists proved the theory of gravity was flawed
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:03 PM
Aug 2013

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

<snip>

Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.



http://www.theonion.com/articles/evangelical-scientists-refute-gravity-with-new-int,1778/

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
98. As a scientist, I am not familiar with his work
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:25 AM
Aug 2013

I think what is becoming increasingly clear, however, that science--facts, really-- aren't so clear as they once were. Sure, there is emprical data, but how can we be sure these are really facts unless we consider the personal characterists of these so-called scientists?

In fact, it is now obvious that we should discount completely "facts" unless we are satisfied with the moral character of the fact presenter.

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
102. What Facts? Scientific Facts And Laws of Physics? Or Unfalsifiable Claims Made by Individuals?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:45 AM
Aug 2013

Do you think these two things are equitable? And can unfalsifiable claims made by individuals truly be called "facts"?

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
115. Where is this Evaluation of Physical Laws Based on Personality Happening?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:55 PM
Aug 2013

Or are you trying to make some deeper point and are either failing spectaculary, or realizing how inappropriate the analogy was to begin with, and you're just not intellectually honest enough to admit it?

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
116. Well, I've been reading a lot lately
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:12 PM
Aug 2013

and I've become convinced by the overwhelming weight of the argument -- I mean, I've seen this point being made over 104,000 times, and how can that not be convincing I ask you?

But you should realize this is nothing new. We've known that personality is critical to determining the truth of empirical facts for a long time and anyway it is no big deal. It is also legal you should know.

If you don't like that why didn't you complain about it in 2006??!??

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
117. What "Empirical Facts"? Where is This Questioning Laws of Physics?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:28 PM
Aug 2013

If you're reading it a lot lately, should be easy to provide an example.

Please provide an example of all this questioning of empirical scientific fact based on personality. Thanks!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
122. If you don't agree with me you must want Sarah Palin to be President
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:59 AM
Aug 2013

Also, your constant use of capitals in your titles smacks of Libertarianism

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
135. Are You Going to Get A Book Deal Out of This?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:45 PM
Aug 2013

If so we can safely dismiss whatever evidence you have

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
141. No, But No One Has The Courage To Actually Admit What It's About Because You All Know How Flawed
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:09 PM
Aug 2013

the premise is.

Once you admit it's about Greenwalds untestable, unfalsifiable claims, then you have to admit, comparing them to laws of physics is probably the stupidest thing you can do.

But carry on with your little charade!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
161. .
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:26 PM
Aug 2013

Don't Be Angry Lyrics

Don't be angry with me darling
If I fail to understand
All your little whims
And wishes all the time

Just remember that I'm dumb
I guess like any foolish man
And my head stays sorta foggy
'Cause you're mine

Well I recall the first time
That I flirted with you dear
When I jokingly said
Come and be my bride

Now that time has turned the pages
It's the sweetest joke on earth
That I have you here
Forever by my side

Maybe someday you're gonna hurt me
I've been hurt in love before
Only God can know
And time alone will tell

But in the mean time I'll keep loving you
With all my heart and soul
And pray God to let it last
If it's his will

So don't be angry with me darling
If I fail to understand
All your little whims
And wishes all the time

Just remember that I'm dumb
I guess like any foolish man
And my head stays sorta foggy
'Cause you're mine

Skraxx

(2,962 posts)
164. Now You're Singing To Me! I'm So Flattered! You Know You Want To Ask Me Out, Don't Be Shy!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:32 PM
Aug 2013

You never know my little dumpling!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
58. No! I don't trust his motives.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:05 PM
Aug 2013

He was on somebody's payroll and it sure wasn't England's.

I think his foreign "friend" threw the apple on his head on purpose.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
79. Granny Smith apples, combined with Vidalia onions
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:08 PM
Aug 2013

can rock chicken in a pan harder than diamonds. They are green, mean tart caramelized machines.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
57. Hello? Why do you think they call it 'theory' of gravity?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:59 PM
Aug 2013

If gravity was real they wouldn't call it a theory duh people are so dumm

unblock

(51,920 posts)
61. what i want to know is, who signed thermodynamics into law, anyway?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:29 PM
Aug 2013

i think it's high time we repealed it! i can solve the energy crisis and global warming in one fell swoop!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
80. You expect Obama to do this with a Republican House?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:08 PM
Aug 2013

Don't you know they block everything? What a racist!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
60. Newton, Turing, and Einstein provided evidence for their theories
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:28 PM
Aug 2013

When there's evidence, the messenger doesn't matter.

When there's not, it does.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
62. no, no, no. can't trust evidence if the person pushing it has an agenda.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
Aug 2013

that's been made abundantly clear to me.

besides, i think the timing of some of newton's "evidence" was awfully conveeeenient.

and einstein's evidence? he didn't provide any evidence that wasn't already around years ago, but then they suddenly have a media frenzy when he comes out and talks about it. highly suspicious!

and turing! evidence? just a bunch of indecipherable 1's and 0's!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
63. Well, to take this out of the analogy...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:35 PM
Aug 2013

I find it hilarious and ludicrous that people think Greenwald and Snowden have provided "evidence" of their claims, when every document they have released has contradicted them. You read those same documents and think they say the opposite of what I think they say.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
104. Evidence of physical laws can be reproduced by anyone
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013

You are correct that Einstein did not provide evidence, but relied on the reproducible experimental results of others.

I still don't see the analogy.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
106. you're right! outside of the lab, we have to base everything on people's reputations and character.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:47 PM
Aug 2013

there simply are no facts or documents or evidence outside of a carefully controlled environment.

so evidence is useless and the focus on character is all important in understanding what's going on in the world, or in washington, or in a courtroom.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
108. Uh, no you don't
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:03 PM
Aug 2013

You apparently do not know how it is easy to confirm a vast number of physical principles by doing things like "looking at the sky".

Newton's Law of Gravitation is easily reproduced. You can calculate Planck's constant on the basis of a viscosity experiment in you kitchen sink.

These theories also have predictive value. I do not need to trust anyone's reputation or character to know how long it will take for a dropped object to reach the ground.

Furthermore, experimental results are reproduced by independent labs.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
110. lol! sorry if the snark overload in this thread is leading you astray.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 03:05 PM
Aug 2013

o.t., why is your avatar la vache qui rit?

unblock

(51,920 posts)
67. you're goddamned right about that! or a homophobe! or a straight-ally-uh-ist.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:12 PM
Aug 2013

what would someone who hates straight allies be called, anyway?

Cerridwen

(13,251 posts)
65. Yeah, I'm not so sure it existed before science proved it.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
Aug 2013

Nothing exists without scientific proof. Willow bark was just a placebo effect until Baer aspirin proved and documented it just as they were set to make money from it.

Then there's that whole "theory" thing. "Everyone knows" that theory is just what happens around the water cooler and it has no other definitions outside of the water cooler.

Florence Nightingale couldn't be trusted because she had money and Jonas Salk was just a "rich Jew" who gave away his vaccine because he could afford to and "no one does anything without getting money for it." Altruism doesn't exist because it's not scientifically proven.

I also believe everything that's "Peer Reviewed" like that whole "vaccines cause autism" thing that British medical journal published and backed for 10 years before, uh, they didn't back it any more.

Oh, yeah, "Jefferson owned slaves!" so he's not reliable when it comes to slavery no matter what ideals he aspired to; he sucked!

Wait. Oh yeah, "how can something we can't see cause illness," and "If God had meant man to fly..." and so on and so forth.

Two dimensional, unquestioning, thinking gives my brain cells angina; wait, do my brain cells exist because we can't see them? There's a good opening for a snarky reply.

The world is flat; my church tells me so. The moon walk was staged in Hollywood.

I'm so confused.

Or not.




Cerridwen

(13,251 posts)
72. Damn! My "generational bias" is showing!"
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:18 PM
Aug 2013

Wait! Maybe it's my propensity to follow "conspiracy theories" that are heavy on conspiracy and light on theory...or...wait, wut?! Or, as one person told me a long time ago, when it's proved to be fact it's no longer a conspiracy therefore it can't be a conspiracy theory.

Think about it.







joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
81. Ones personal inclinations has zero bearing on science.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:23 PM
Aug 2013

Genetic science has some basis with Nazi experiments.

The Polio vaccine was given away freely.

Both extremes showing the character of people behind scientific discoveries.

Political and social commentary, however, has a lot to do with ones character. A compulsive liar, for example, shouldn't be trusted if you're reasonable.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
93. I'm glad you cleared this up because right here on DU a Random poster told us that
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

because the FFs were slave holders (many were not btw) we should abandon the Constitution.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
119. Good post.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:06 PM
Aug 2013

Great illustrative analogy of the propaganda/psyops conducted to try keep us from talking about issues.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
125. I think gravity should be part of the secret laws of physics
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:52 PM
Aug 2013

over-seen by secret physicists,

but until that happens I will just say that I have seen any evidence that the theory of gravity is true.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
127. good idea. in the meanwhile ponder this: drop an object at noon and it falls *away* from the sun!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:02 PM
Aug 2013

the sun is by far the most massive thing in our solar system and yet, drop an object at noon and it falls, not toward this most massive object, but directly away from it! ha! now tell me about your gravity hypothesis!

12 hours later, a dropped object falls toward the sun at midnight, when the sun is a full earth-length further away. why is gravity time-dependent?

lol

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