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Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:45 AM

Okay, this is creepy: Scientist controls colleague's hand in first human brain-to-brain interface

Scientist controls colleague's hand in first human brain-to-brain interface
University of Washington researcher Rajesh Rao sends a brain signal to Andrea Stocco via the Internet, causing Stocco's right hand to move on a keyboard.
by Dan Farber
August 27, 2013 12:09 PM PDT


University of Washington researcher Rajesh Rao, left, plays a computer game with his mind, while across campus, researcher Andrea Stocco wears a magnetic stimulation coil over the left motor cortex region of his brain.
(Credit: University of Washington)


The telepathic cyborg lives, sort of. University of Washington scientists Rajesh Rao and Andrea Stocco claim that they are the first to demonstrate human brain-to-brain communication. Rao sent a signal into a Stocco's brain via the Internet that caused him to move his right hand. Brain-to-brain communication has previously been demonstrated between rats and from humans to rats.

"The experiment is a proof in concept. We have tech to reverse engineer the brain signal and transmit it from one brain to another via computer," said Chantel Prat, an assistant professor of psychology who worked on the project.



In a press release, the experiment was described as follows:

The team had a Skype connection set up so the two labs could coordinate, though neither Rao nor Stocco could see the Skype screens. Rao looked at a computer screen and played a simple video game with his mind. When he was supposed to fire a cannon at a target, he imagined moving his right hand (being careful not to actually move his hand), causing a cursor to hit the "fire" button. Almost instantaneously, Stocco, who wore noise-canceling earbuds and wasn't looking at a computer screen, involuntarily moved his right index finger to push the space bar on the keyboard in front of him, as if firing the cannon. Stocco compared the feeling of his hand moving involuntarily to that of a nervous tic.


The mind-meld between the researchers wasn't seamless. Rao spent time training his mind, with feedback from the computer, to emit the brainwave for moving the right hand so that it could be detected by the computer. "The intention can be as detectable as the movement itself," Prat said. "Brain-computer interfaces have been capturing this with increasing accuracy over the last decade."

When the software sees the right signal it is sent via the Internet to a computer connected to a transcranial magnetic stimulation device, which is positioned on the exact spot of the brain that controls the right hand. "It uses simple physics," Prat said. "When the magnetic field changes, it induces an electrical current, so a signal is sent through the cortex of the brain and excites the neurons, simulating what happens naturally."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57600284-76/scientist-controls-colleagues-hand-in-first-human-brain-to-brain-interface/

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Reply Okay, this is creepy: Scientist controls colleague's hand in first human brain-to-brain interface (Original post)
FourScore Aug 2013 OP
eShirl Aug 2013 #1
NuclearDem Aug 2013 #2
randome Aug 2013 #6
NuclearDem Aug 2013 #3
Name removed Aug 2013 #4
nebenaube Aug 2013 #5
TroglodyteScholar Aug 2013 #8
nebenaube Aug 2013 #12
TroglodyteScholar Aug 2013 #17
nebenaube Aug 2013 #20
TroglodyteScholar Aug 2013 #23
BanzaiBonnie Aug 2013 #7
MineralMan Aug 2013 #10
nebenaube Aug 2013 #13
MineralMan Aug 2013 #14
MisterP Aug 2013 #21
Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #9
woo me with science Aug 2013 #11
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #16
Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #15
randome Aug 2013 #18
The Straight Story Aug 2013 #19
Zorra Aug 2013 #22

Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:47 AM

1. pffft.

My big brother used to do that to me all the time...
"Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"

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Response to eShirl (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:48 AM

2. Duh, WINNING.

 

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Response to eShirl (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:18 AM

6. DUzy!

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:49 AM

3. Oh, dammit, mind control.

 

The Legion of Madfellows had it right.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:11 AM

5. illusion...

 

The stimulator fired, his hand moved... big deal. Nobody positioned that stimulator with their thoughts alone. This is hyping an incident of pure chance that the one participant can fire the stimulator.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:47 AM

8. Did you even read beyound the title?

"Proof of concept." This is NOT nothing.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:16 AM

12. pfft...

 

Transcranial magnetic stimulation has been around for a while. This 'demonstration' is no different from facilitated communication. It's wishful woo.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:08 AM

17. Alright bud

I guess you've probably seen a million computers that translate one person's thought into another person's action.

Please reserve the non-word "woo" for describing pseudoscience. Science that fails to impress your superior intellect does not fit the definition.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:00 PM

20. WOO, WOO!

 

Any digital representation of EEG taken from surface electrodes is mostly, if not entirely, highly aliased artifact. Then you are trying to tell me that this artifact was encoded and transmitted in a fashion that exactly reproduced the 'imagined' movement from the source subject in the target subject? Don't let the old brain mapping caps fool you, this is not a proof of concept in the slightest.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:04 PM

23. Nobody is claiming that the exaxt brain signal was transferred

You're calling this bunk because it isn't what you wish it was, not because anything is actually being misrepresented.

Failure of reading comprehension on your part does not equal "woo" on the part of the researcher.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:33 AM

7. How long

before someone will be able to hack the brain of another person.

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Response to BanzaiBonnie (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:55 AM

10. How long before we can create tools that can

restore function to paraplegics and quadriplegics? That's the actual question here. Most things have positive and negative uses. Focusing only on the negative is a great way to minimize the positive.

I hope you don't ever need this technology in your life, but you might. Encourage the research instead of disparaging it, just in case, OK?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:19 AM

13. Well, first they need to restore spinal nerve conduction...

 

Stimulating the cortex is never going to do that.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:20 AM

14. It's all research. It's all aimed at understanding.

It all leads to the same conclusion. It's not for spying on people. This is motor function stuff.

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Response to BanzaiBonnie (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:41 PM

21. only the Major and Togusa can help us now!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:49 AM

9. "I find your lack of faith...... disturbing" (nt)

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:01 AM

11. Oh, the MIC will be salivating at this.

Can't you just see it now?

"Attention, Ohio. You are being deployed."

And you are in horror as your robotically controlled body moves involuntarily out of your front door, joining your neighbors streaming helplessly into the streets, headed for the transport jet.


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Response to woo me with science (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:23 AM

16. this is exactly what I was thinking. n/t

 

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:22 AM

15. I think this is really awesome, but I can understand why some are concerned that this can

 

be used for nefarious purposes.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:13 AM

18. I think in 50 years or so, when this area has progressed, we'll have different concerns.

 

So I think it's a little early to be worried about 'nefarious purposes'.
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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:16 AM

19. Can't wait for the applications tying this in with cybersex

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:51 PM

22. Telepaths and telekinetics are working on a coordinated action to try to save the planet.

The problem is knowing exactly what to wish for, and then knowing exactly how to wish for it.

The dilemma has been unsolvable so far because no one has the clarity of omniscience. Trying to stop "evil" telepathically and telekinetically may result in something opposite the desired effect because of unknown/unseen factors.

How do we bring coordinated collective focused "thought" and "will" that is conceptually close to identical into alignment with universal patterns in order to manifest completely positive results? How do we "above all, do no harm"? It's something like the idea of not altering future reality by changing the past when considering what would happen if someone figured out how to travel back in time.

Any manifestation of significant power is potentially deadly if it is not tempered by extreme caution, and with exhaustive forethought and great wisdom.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, most especially in the manifestation of power. We, almost all of us, as individuals play god by making decisions that affect others every day. Leaders of government generally do this to a much greater extent and effect. All too often disingenuously, with deliberate malice, resulting in disastrous, catastrophic, deadly effect. Almost always for the sake of greed and power.

So the question here is:

Do we have the right to play god and neutralize the power of world leaders, corporate greeders, and other destructive entities, and manipulate events for our vision of what is good for human beings and the planet itself, when we figure out how to focus/align telekinetic/telepathic power in order to do so with minimal chance of unforeseen negative and destructive consequences?

Would this be generally preferable to most people to the extinction of all or most life on the planet, which is now the inevitable result of the current, unalterable trajectory of patterns of human endeavor?

Or would it be better to let the insane fuckers just eventually destroy it all?



When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will they realize that they cannot eat money.
~ Paraphrased from the words of Alanis Obomsawin

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