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Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:36 AM

 

Obamacare: Explain it like I'm five

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Reply Obamacare: Explain it like I'm five (Original post)
Scuba Sep 2013 OP
DetlefK Sep 2013 #1
IronLionZion Sep 2013 #6
JHB Sep 2013 #15
bvar22 Sep 2013 #19
HughBeaumont Sep 2013 #2
beerandjesus Sep 2013 #3
think_critically Sep 2013 #4
AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #5
subterranean Sep 2013 #7
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #8
bhikkhu Sep 2013 #11
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12
yurbud Sep 2013 #9
grantcart Sep 2013 #13
merrily Sep 2013 #14
grantcart Sep 2013 #16
merrily Sep 2013 #18
bvar22 Sep 2013 #20
IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #10
hedgehog Sep 2013 #17
LaPera Sep 2013 #21

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:51 AM

1. Ted Cruz: Obamacare is terrible and the people won't want to give it up.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:53 AM

6. Like Social Security and Medicare

Once everybody pays and benefits, too many people will be invested in seeing it succeed and it can become the political third rail that Republicans can't dismantle.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:36 AM

15. Or worse (to them), provide a positive example of active government

That might provide justification to raise taxes, especially at the top, to ensure it's funded and keeps working.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:02 PM

19. But UNLIKE Social Security & Medicare,

..about 15% (really more) of OUR money goes into the pockets of Private For Profit Corporations. That is 15% Off the Top that does NOT go toward Health Care for Americans, but instead goes to an Industry that:

*Manufactures NOTHING

*Provides NO Useful Service

*Creates NO Value Added Wealth

*Keeps no inventory


A Great Scam, if you can get the government to guarantee your "customers".

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:01 AM

2. Gee, wonder what could SOLVE this problem .. . . hmmmmmmm .....

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:02 AM

3. Awesome comic

And that Obama pic couldn't have been better chosen! Hahaha

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:50 AM

4. it bothers the living shit out of me

 


Your point is so well taken. Why the FUCK can he not do this. Baffles the mind. He needs a new communications team NOW.
He managed to bitch slap Mitt Romney during the campaign but can't campaign for his own bills. WTF. People don't like Obamacare b/c they don't understand it. You have to really pay attention to politics to even get it in the first place. There is a lot of good stuff in that bill and nobody would know it unless you really study it. Damnit this pisses me off so much.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 09:51 AM

5. Misses the part where they can charge whatever the hell they want for those pre-exisiting condition

premiums.
Edit: overall though, it captures the scenario pretty well.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:14 AM

7. Not under Obamacare.

They are prohibited from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:15 AM

8. What a load of crap!

Somebody has not even looked at the ACA exchange rates rates! Must be a GOP cartoon!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:38 AM

11. I have

My family will be 100% covered for the next couple of years (while the kids are here), then after that the premiums go to $100-150 a month for my income group. I can afford that, and will be very happy to.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:06 AM

12. I was referring to

the cartoon's inference that people who have no money will still have to pay 5%....... no so
People that poor do not pay anything!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:25 AM

9. this is unintentionally a good argument for taking for profit insurance out of the loop altogether

if the government is going to structure it and pay for a lot of it, they might as well cut out the parasitic middle man.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:11 AM

13. I doubt that the Chief Justice would have voted that was constitutional.


So as a positive first step we limit the medical loss ratio (the insurers margin) to 20% and start lobbying to ad public option.

When public option becomes the overwhelming choice then we switch to single payer.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:26 AM

14. The Chief Justice voted that government can force us to buy from private companies, as long

as government is willing to be seen as imposing a new tax (and, in this case, a rather large tax that is not a progressive tax--meaning progressive in the older sense of hitting high income taxpayers harder than lower income taxpayers) .

It was the most conservative possible decision, yet hailed by many on the alleged left as Roberts being liberal.

That's what comes from seeing everything as blue team vs. red team.

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Response to merrily (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:41 PM

16. 100% incorrect

What was decided was that the Federal Government has a constitutional right to pass legislation that regulates the health care industry.

That you focus on the mandate but are apparently unaware that health care plans are now subject to price and profit regulations reveals a rather significant lack of understanding of the scope of the Affordable Care Act.

As to the draconian new tax you refer to is a whopping $ 95 or 1 %.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-someone-doesnt-have-health-coverage-in-2014/

Those that have lower incomes will be eligible for subsidies. If you want higher subsidies and public options then vote for a more liberal congress.

You are also incorrect as to 'forcing to buy from private companies' as the health care exchanges will have non profit providers as well:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/best-health-care-brands-are-nonprofit_n_1910733.html

As to the question of 'adding a new tax', this right wing meme is also incorrect. Currently hospitals are required to cover indigent care but allowed to ramp up their expenses to cover it. That is in fact a hidden tax. They will no longer be able to do so. As a result the hidden tax in inflated hospital fees will now be offset by more people joining and drastically reducing indigent care.

But back to the initial point. The President crafted legislation that would not only pass Congress and the Senate but pass the Supreme Court. Presidents since Teddy Roosevelt have been talking about this but now for the first time in 80 years it has passed. Except for England where universal care came after the war when their medical system was decimated and needed to be rebuilt, other developed countries, like Canada started on the road to Universal Single Payer Care with small steps. In Canada it started with a hospital only plan in one province. That expanded in scope and then in provinces. It took 14 years to reach universal single payer status. Our first step, by comparison, was a much bolder step. Future steps will be determined by how we control the House of Representatives, not who the President is.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:47 PM

18. You are mistaken. The opinion was not limited to the health care industry.

Besides which, the individual mandate is not a regulation of the health care industry. Or even of the health insurance industry. It is a regulation of what, well, an individual must purchase.

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Response to merrily (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:15 PM

20. THat is the only RIGHT enshrined in the ACA:

The RIGHT of the Health Insurance Industry to make a PROFIT shall not be infringed.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:27 AM

10. Stealing! Thank you!

 

Kick & Rec.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:46 PM

17. I think this captures Obama's state of mind exactly!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:26 PM

21. Fucking republicans ignore the fact that......

Congress passed The Affordable Heath Care Act (Obamacare) the Senate passed Obamacare, the President signed Obamacare into law - The US Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare is Constitutional and is law.

Tens & tens of millions of people want & need Obamacare and will finally have some healthcare, especially self-employed working people, people with per-existing conditions and working people who can not afford the insurance corporations extremely high premiums for minimal coverage.

The compassion-less republicans are spending hundreds of millions of dollars purposely distorting and smearing Obamacare - Tens of million of American citizens, both white and people of color will benefit from Obamacare.

But then the republicans fought 'tooth and nail' against both Social Security and Medicare from the very beginning and still to this day want to get rid of both SS & Medicare - Even though both programs are paid for.....weekly by working people through their paychecks and BOTH Republicans and Democrats alike use SS & Medicare to exist.

Which makes them very successful government programs from our weekly paycheck deductions and our taxes just as Obamacare will become successful.. Republicans despise that thought.

Almost EVERYONE can afford Obamacare premiums, but NOT everyone can afford the over-priced, insurance corporations premiums for the same coverage.....

Better than sending the billions of dollars yearly to the hugely profitable oil corporations from our tax dollars in subsidies (corporate welfare) As well as the billions the insurance corporations receive from our tax dollars..(corporate welfare). - This is FACT!

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