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Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:03 PM

Republican/Libertarian/TeaParty/Conservatives just achieved their wet dream

of putting most of the government workers out of a job and shrinking government to bathtub size. They have left the individual states as the only fully functioning governments. (tenth amendment orgasm) They passed a bill to pay the military, and though it doesn't fund other military enterprises (wargasm) that seems to be one thing they could agree on.

So riddle me this?

What is their incentive to turning the government back on?

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Reply Republican/Libertarian/TeaParty/Conservatives just achieved their wet dream (Original post)
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 OP
Laelth Oct 2013 #1
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #7
Name removed Oct 2013 #11
Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #2
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #8
Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #17
Savannahmann Oct 2013 #22
Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #31
Savannahmann Oct 2013 #32
Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #33
FSogol Oct 2013 #3
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #10
FSogol Oct 2013 #18
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #9
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #12
Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #5
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #13
HappyMe Oct 2013 #6
Hutzpa Oct 2013 #14
Mnemosyne Oct 2013 #15
Name removed Oct 2013 #19
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #30
seabeyond Oct 2013 #16
HappyMe Oct 2013 #21
seabeyond Oct 2013 #23
HappyMe Oct 2013 #26
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #28
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #27
lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #20
Marrah_G Oct 2013 #24
Savannahmann Oct 2013 #25
brooklynite Oct 2013 #29

Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:05 PM

1. 2014. And that's all there is.

Cuz they may not care about the American people, but they do care about their own sorry hides.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:12 PM

7. Many of them live in gerrymandered districts where they will be elected no matter what.

Some of them may feel the pinch, but a good part of their caucus will be there after the ballots are counted.

(I am hoping for a wave election that turns control of the house back to Democrats, but I would not yet bet on it.)

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:06 PM

2. Keeping their jobs? nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:13 PM

8. Gerrymandered districts will keep many of them in their jobs. n/t

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:26 PM

17. Gerrymandering can only get them so far.

And it actually makes them more vulnerable, not less, because it spreads thin majorities over the largest possible number of districts. This magnifies the effect of slight shifts in voter sentiment - turning these slight shifts into landslides.

But we'll see what happens.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:51 PM

22. That was the old way to do Gerrymandering, the Rethugs changed that in 2010.

 

The took a majority of state houses, and instead of giving themselves a 2-5% advantage, they gave Rethugs very safe seats, some with as much as 10 points of advantage. Now, to get them out of office, you have to get past the ideological advantage, nearly impossible to begin with, and then you have to get past the incumbency advantage.

The Rethugs are going to keep the House, they Definitely won't lose much in the Senate, they will possibly pick up a couple seats in the Senate, but we'll maintain a thin control.

The House is next to certain to remain Rethug in 2014, because lets be honest. Unless you have a picture, or better yet video, of Paul Ryan having sex with a boy while fondling a goat there isn't any way he's losing re-election. Most of the Rethugs are similarly safe.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:22 PM

31. That math makes no sense.

Because, if you have a net minority of the electorate, and you want to keep a majority of the seats in a state, with a 10% or greater majority in the "safe" seats for your party, you can only do so by squeezing the Democrats into the fewest possible number of seats, making the Democratic majorities in the those democratic seats not a mere 10%, but 20%, 30% or higher majorities. If that's the case, where are the Republicans going to pick up seats from the Democrats? They are already at high tide with thinner majorities in their own seats than the Democrats have in theirs.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:19 PM

32. They aren't going to pick up seats in the house.

 

Or if they are, it's the ones like the Georgia 12th. Representative John Barrow is a conservative Democrat, and fortunately has held off three challenges by Republicans. To make the task somewhat easier, the Rethug in question that ran two of those three times looked like the cartoon version of a corrupt good old boy. So people didn't buy that he would be better. I don't know what will happen this time, I hope the Incumbency protection continues to work for Rep. Barrow despite the fact that I disapprove of his policies, it might just keep one more seat for us.

The math isn't hard. The Rethugs win certain states, usually with some regularity. Other states they have a chance, regarding the senate anyway. So look at Georgia again, I know I live here. The question isn't if a Republican will win the seat opening up by the retirement of Isakson. The question is which Republican will win. early polls show the Democrats have a fighting chance, I doubt it. The last Democratic Senator was Zell Miller, a man who was to the Right of the Kaiser politically speaking. Zell Miller if you remember was the only Democrat to endorse Bush during the 2004 Presidential. Early polls tend to take place in and around Atlanta, which is where we have our stronghold speaking as a Democrat. But we are far less represented in the remainder of the state. So Republicans will almost certainly win the Senate Seat in Georgia.

Other Senate Seats are also at risk, in states that Pundits call "Purple" which is to say they go Democratic on some, and Republican on others. We face serious threats in several of these states, and while I doubt the Republicans can pick up six seats in the Senate, I don't rule the possibility out. There are plenty of Purple seats up for grabs this next election. Six seats puts the Republicans in control of the Senate, and we are the minority in both houses of Congress.

We aren't going to get the House, just count that one out. The best we can hope is to hold the Senate, and we should shift funds and our brightest and best minds to those campaigns. Instead, we'll throw money at trying to unseat Bonehead and Ryan. We'll throw money at Bachman's district trying to challenge her. They'll all win, coming as they do from some of the safest districts, and that money will be wasted. Money that could have gone to races which were not like to win, but need to wins.

Make no mistake, despite the fact that Congress has an approval rating slightly better than Herpes, that the individual congressmen have pretty high ratings in their districts. Do you think Representative Pelosi cares that Georgia, generally speaking, hates her? Not one damn bit should she care, because she's elected from San Francisco. Do you think that Ryan gives a damn that we hate him in New York? Why should he? New Yorkers don't vote for Ryan anyway. His district does, and his district will re-elect him no sweat.

Think about it, while we hate the Rethugs, they've won re-election even in 2012 when President Obama won handily. So the voters sent a Democrat to the White House, some Democrats to the Senate, and then refilled the House with Rethugs. Do you honestly think that we are going to win that majority back in the House? When South Carolina sent that jackass Sandford to the House after he was caught misappropriating funds, lying his ass off, and having an affair? If things were half as fair as they would need to be to take the House back that man should have been turned down for Dog Catcher by the voters. Instead, he won, because the people in those districts would vote for Jack the Ripper for Congress before they voted Democrat.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:26 PM

33. We seem to be talking past each other

Because I never said we would win back the house. What I said is that the Republicans can't possibly win any more seats.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:06 PM

3. Same thing that happened when Gingrich and the GOP did it in 1995.

The American public likes the government. They like getting paychecks and going to National Parks, and getting tax refunds, and gun permits, and going to museums, and etc, etc...

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:15 PM

10. This is a good answer. We can hpe that some districts are not so gerrymandered

that a majority can be won.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:27 PM

18. While gerrymandering sucks, it is often an excuse not to do anything.

Gerrymandered districts mean we need to work harder to GOTV.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:06 PM

4. fucking dumb asses

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:14 PM

9. They got there beig dumb asses, and elected by dumb assess.

So I am not sure if that will help. Could you elaborate?

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:16 PM

12. Exactly

Part of the problem is that corporate America has been trying to dumb down the masses for 45 years....they now have a substaintial portion of them brain washed.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:09 PM

5. Losing their power. With election a year away people will remember.

 

This whole impasse needs to be the end of the road for Tea Party, Cruz, Rand, etc.

Get back to pragmatic governance and leave fever dreams of "Atlas Shrugged" to the immature college Republicans.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:18 PM

13. I haven't seen a lot of evidence of pragmatic governance since Eye of Newt Gingrich

ran his Contract With America scam. (Surely, that was one of the great cons in history. Made "The Sting" look like a movie about kindergarten amateurs.)

America does seem to be swinging left, though our government is reluctant to move that way. Perhaps we are due for an outbreak of pragmatism.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:11 PM

6. 2014 election

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:21 PM

14. I will be saying this until everyone gets it

[font size="4"]THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE BANKING ON GERRYMANDERING AND RE-DISTRICTING FOR THE 2014 ELECTION.[/font]

REPEAT

[font size="4"]THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE BANKING ON GERRYMANDERING AND RE-DISTRICTING FOR THE 2014 ELECTION.[/font]

REPEAT

[font size="4"]THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE BANKING ON GERRYMANDERING AND RE-DISTRICTING FOR THE 2014 ELECTION.[/font]

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:24 PM

15. This^^^^^^! nt

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:20 PM

30. This is it exactly. They have no incentive, and we can only changing it by getting out and voting.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:25 PM

16. ah and another to tell us in a very clear moment of victory how we should be feeling defeat.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:50 PM

21. Isn't it amazing?



Some just love to be unhappy.

The ACA is not single payer, but it sure as hell does kick the door wide open.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:52 PM

23. i think. not putting my info yet to check it out. thought i would let others play with the

 

system first. but, from what i see, i am excited to see what it will me for me and us as a family

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:56 PM

26. There's plenty of time.

I'm going to wait maybe until November 1 or so. I'm looking forward to it too.

I'm over the moon for my sons. They aren't rolling in dough and this will help them immensely.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:17 PM

28. I said nothing about the ACA, which is making things better

That wasn't the OP.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:16 PM

27. What victory are we celebrating? And I didn't tell you how to feel. I asked why they should change.

Please reread my OP. I thought I was clear.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:46 PM

20. They have no incentive, in fact they actually want to destroy the country. The incentive is for

Those republicans who do not subscribe to the tea bagger movement to take their party back. If they do not do it they will lose control of their party, which they practically have already, and will lose future elections, since they will not get the independent or moderate vote, and without that they cannot win.

2012 demonstrated that the tea baggers have become liability for the republicans

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:54 PM

24. They only hate the parts of government that helps people

The ones that spy on people, kill people and give money to rich people are all wonderful from their point of view.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:54 PM

25. Take another look at it for a moment.

 

If this goes on two weeks, then the Rethugs can point to the nation and say that things are still turning, trucks are moving, trains are going. People are working, and people are having babies born and all of that. All without departments full of staffers who apparently don't do much anyway. So we should take that money we have been paying these people who don't affect real things, and sink it into highways and bridges etc.

Then what happens? Oh sure, a few will say bullshit, but how many people will look around, see cops on the streets, and military planes flying in and out of military bases just like always and agree?

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:19 PM

29. Didn't happen that way the last time...

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