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Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:57 PM

 

The bastards got income verification in

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/16/senate-leaders-announce-agreement-end-shutdown/

Can you believe that?

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Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 OP
Kber Oct 2013 #1
MnAttorney Oct 2013 #2
okaawhatever Oct 2013 #19
Berlum Oct 2013 #24
FSogol Oct 2013 #3
oldhippie Oct 2013 #4
srican69 Oct 2013 #5
Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #6
displacedtexan Oct 2013 #13
okaawhatever Oct 2013 #22
displacedtexan Oct 2013 #27
okaawhatever Oct 2013 #29
SamYeager Oct 2013 #7
Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #8
bluestate10 Oct 2013 #9
LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #10
pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #11
Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #12
BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #14
JoePhilly Oct 2013 #15
PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #16
Kaleva Oct 2013 #17
AlinPA Oct 2013 #18
Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #21
WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #20
question everything Oct 2013 #23
Chan790 Oct 2013 #25
doc03 Oct 2013 #26
Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #28
djnicadress Oct 2013 #30
PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #31

Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:59 PM

1. It was there already. Just tightened the language up a bit.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:00 PM

2. To be fair

It was already in, just delayed.

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Response to MnAttorney (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:36 PM

19. I believe it went from a sampling of verification to 100% verification. Similar to what many lenders

do. They will audit say 20% of the files for income verification. If there is a high number of fraud/omission/error they will review the policy or make adjustments. Now it's 100% verification, forcing the need for more IRS staff to review, meaning bigger government. i wonder if they are trying to clog up the system to get people frustrated.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:40 PM

24. Basically the RepubliBaggers (R) are making BIG GOVERNMENT BIGGER

Thanks a diaper load, RepubliBaggers. We can always DEPEND on you for hypocrisy.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:00 PM

3. I can't believe someone on DU would post crap from the Washington Times.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:00 PM

4. I dunno, being that was in the ACA already , ...

 

... I don't see that as a big deal. Nothing changed.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:01 PM

5. don't see anything wrong with that ...

its not anything like requiring voter ID where the intent is to deny... ...or ...wait a minute ... nevermind ...sorry

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:02 PM

6. Exactly

 

If you know the IRS is going to be scrutinizing your taxes are you more or less likely to attempt to use an exchange subsidy? Was the goal of the ACA to get people covered or not?

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:11 PM

13. This is great! More IRS jobs, increasing spending & the size of gov't. Thanks, republicans!

Actually, the IRS was going to verify everyone's true income in April, anyway. This just speeds up the process and keeps freepers from trying to get a better deal than their shitty employer-based coverage by lying about their incomes.

Plus, republicans are now voting to increase the size of government! I love it! You can't make this shit up!

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:38 PM

22. You're assuming they will hire additional workers to meet the add'l requirements. I think they're

just trying to clog the system and/or make the experience worse for the consumer. Many who are eligible to receive other aide are unable to provide the paperwork necessary.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:44 PM

27. "They" who?

There's a slight problem with your logic: if you're already eligible for other aid, your paperwork is already available.

Clogging the system? That just makes the program seem more popular. No one is going to believe wingnuts complaining about the ACA for any reason now. To quote Stephen King: "They're all going to laugh at you."

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:46 PM

29. The Republicans who supported increasing the income verification from sampling to 100%. nt

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:04 PM

7. Moonie Times???

 

Do you have a better source. I saw income verification was in but it doesn't really change anything and won't hold up signing up like the last income verification proposal would.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:06 PM

8. Jesus christ people

 

Forest...trees...

A friend sent me the link. Are some of you really worried if it's Mother Jones or the WA Times tells you something accurate?

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:07 PM

9. Income verification was already in the ACA. Republicans got NOTHING, as Michael Corleone

would say.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:07 PM

10. On CBS News the other night, they said that Obama had been planning to

have some kind of income verification added to the ACA anyway, so he would be okay with it being added to the agreement that reopened the government. I don't know how the ACA provided for income verification, but it seems that at least some people thought it wasn't enough. Hopefully it won't be too much of a burden for those signing up for insurance.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:08 PM

11. "To say that it is miniscule is probably giving it too much credit"

--Dana Bash, CNN

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:09 PM

12. Oh noeesssss!!11

 

Instead of repeal, defunding, or delaying....they got income verification wording. Despite the fact that income verification is already taking place.

The Horror! The Horror!

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:13 PM

14. I already submit tax returns for college grants and pay stubs for food stamps.

 

What is a little bit more paperwork?

We should be spinning this as:

The GOP shut down the government for 3 weeks and almost defaulted us to make poor Americans fill out more paperwork to get health insurance.

Not as some major concession.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:15 PM

15. Bwahahahaha!!!

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:30 PM

16. Jay Carney on the income verification - "we're fine with it". n/t

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:32 PM

17. I had to provide income verification to the VA

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:35 PM

18. Fig leaf for the GOP?

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:37 PM

21. You could well be correct

 

I was never for the income verification though and was hoping it would get slashed.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:37 PM

20. It was already in the law, just not implemented yet.

 

Basically, the one demand they won on was for Obama to start that car five minutes early.

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:39 PM

23. For what? Government job? Food Stamps? Assistance to women with dependant children?

I really do not feel like reading the whole story.

Thanks.

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Response to question everything (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:43 PM

25. Insurance subsidies under the ACA. n/t

 

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:43 PM

26. The Republicans complained about the IRS getting between you and

your doctor, so they give them more power to get between you and your doctor.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:44 PM

28. I figure they think it will scare some folks away from seeking subsidies

 

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Response to Bunnahabhain (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:37 PM

30. sounds like they really got nothing

 

Speaking on background, the official said the House bill would have put "at risk" the basic structure of the law's tax credits and subsidies for individuals "by making them contingent on an IG prospectively certifying that the system was sound. This would have caused unnecessary uncertainty" and delayed health care coverage for millions. In contrast, the version agreed to in the Senate would have the Health and Human Services secretary certify to Congress that eligibility is being verified. The official said that the compromise has the Inspector General "perform a retrospective analysis, which is consistent with the traditional role of an IG, and will not impede or affect the provision of benefits to individuals through the ACA."


http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/white-house-debt-ceiling-deal-s-obamacare-change-not-ransom-20131016?mrefid=HomepageRiver

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Response to djnicadress (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:43 PM

31. What they apparently got was to kick the debt limit issue a few months down the road,

something the President likely wouldn't have agreed to earlier.

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