John Stossel/FOX: Women’s insurance should cost more because ‘maybe they’re hypochondriacs’

[kpete]

During an appearance on Fox & Friends, Stossel asserted to host Steve Doocy that President Barack Obama’s health care reform law “just kills the market” by mandating that women can no longer be charged more than men for insurance.

“The competition of the market is the only thing that makes things better,” he explained. “Yesterday, President Obama stood in front of a bunch of women in Massachusetts and said, ‘No longer will those evil insurance companies be able to charge you women more.’”

“Women go to the doctor much more often than men! Maybe they’re smarter or maybe they’re hypochondriacs,” Stossel continued. “They live longer. Who knows? But if it’s insurance, you ought to be able to charge people who use the services more, more.”

“But, John, you’re not paying attention,” Doocy said sarcastically. “This administration, this president wants to make everything fair. It’s not fair if you pay less than she does… And as a number of Republicans have made the argument, why should I pay for — I’m in my 60s, why should I pay for your maternity coverage?”

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/31/john-stossel-womens-insurance-should-cost-more-because-maybe-theyre-hypochondriacs/

[BootinUp]

1. We need a women to punch him in the face...like when the wrestler did. lol.

[Initech]

7. I'm a male, I'd gladly punch him in the face!

[hatrack]

25. Yeah, where's David Schultz when you need him?

[SaintLouisBlues]

36. Thanks. I clicked this thread just to see Stossel get smacked

[Champion Jack]

38. Thanks for that

[awoke_in_2003]

51. That was refreshing. nt

[CottonBear]

76. Ha!

Not fake. LOL!

Thanks for posting that.

[Frank Cannon]

95. That video never fails to cheer me.

Thanks for helping me get my week started off right.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. I'm male. And I fully admit to being a hypochondriac.

What does gender have to do with anything?

[Z_California]

3. John Stossel is a piece of shit

Have a nice day.

[Blue Owl]

27. with a moustache

n/t

[AAO]

64. I've noticed that for many years now. John Fossil should just lay down and dump dirt on his head.

[silvershadow]

4. Stossel officially comes out as a douche. nt

[LuvNewcastle]

8. He's been 'out' his whole life. He's a flamboyant douche.

[Orrex]

15. I prefer the less gender-loaded term Stoss-hole.

[silvershadow]

39. Yeah, I get that, too. I only used it since

it was women's insurance he was opining about. Maybe one day he will meet his demise in a freak electrical accident on set while helping Norquist try to drown the government in a bathtub.

[Orrex]

41. You're only saying that to make me feel better.

But I appreciate the thought!

[silvershadow]

42. No I'm not, promise. I could have

called him an enema, but I'm not sure it would have had the same effect. How about we both just agree he's an ass? Deal?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

46. in a thread in support of WOMEN, try not to use language

rooted in disgust for women and our bodies.

Thank you.

[Lordquinton]

57. It seems appropriate

Calling him something that is unnecessary and actively harmful to women's bodies.

[gordianot]

5. Besides being wrong and sexist uttering such words could be hazardous to your health.

I for one would expect to get punched in the mouth when I got home even if said it in a joke.

[LuvNewcastle]

6. I can't stand that fucker.

He's probably my least favorite tv 'journalist.' I don't know many hypochondriacs, but the ones I know are all men. Besides, I don't give a shit how many times people want to go to the doctor. It's not for me to judge whether they need it or not. I can't feel what they're feeling, so I just don't know.

[HappyMe]

9. Good grief!

If you don't go to the doctor you're a 'social burden' and a 'slacker'. I don't think that hypochondriacs or 'slackers' are limited to one gender in particular.

Why would anyone care what Stossel says anyway?

[rurallib]

10. he could not have had a mother.

[get the red out]

11. And maybe his costs should be astronomical

since he's an irreparable, gaping asshole.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. He's a gigantic prolapsed anus.

[Oilwellian]

35. Unfortunately...

it can't be repaired.

[lostincalifornia]

13. Actually, they should be boycotted, and the sponsors pressured to stop supporting this kind of

anti-women bashing

[City Lights]

14. Fox Newsites' insurance should cost more 'cause maybe they're brain dead.

What a fucking douchebag.

[NightWatcher]

16. Does one join Fox first then become the asshole, or vice versa?

Do assholes seek out Fox?

It's the Chicken- Egg argument of our time.

[Raven]

17. The same argument has been made for years about paying for public schools...

I don't have kids in the school system so why should my property taxes go to the schools. The simple answer is that your property value goes up if you are in a community with a good school system. You may not benefit directly but you definitely benefit.

[DirkGently]

44. Yes. Likewise, we all benefit from ... women. And the

healthier the better. For everyone.

If this is even true -- if women's health care costs more -- why in the world wouldn't we want to absorb that cost?

Why wouldn't our response be, "Oh, okay, let's make sure women get the additional or specific care they need, and that they don't have to pay more simply because they're female?"

Guy's got a truly ugly turn of mind.

Probably sleeps with a copy of Atlas Shrugged under his pillow.

[KG]

18. he seems to be a guy that doesn't get much trim, and is too dumb to figure out why not.

[bullwinkle428]

19. So you're telling me that Libertarianism & misogyny go hand-in-hand?

Knock me over with a feather!

[beerandjesus]

50. Actually, they don't.

It's just the right-wing "libertarians" the Fox/bagger axis of evil likes to trot out.

I think it's tragic, honestly. There are a lot of well-intentioned Libertarians out there who have valuable contributions to make to our national discourse, even if I disagree with them 80% of the time. Assholes like Stossel give them all a bad name.

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. If the ACA had made even a cursory attempt to intentionally improve men's health...

... assholes like Stossel would get less traction from this argument.

Americans, for better or worse (but mostly for the worse) want answers to the question "what's in it for me?"

For women, the answer to that question is unambiguous. More care, cheaper.

[JoePhilly]

29. For me (a man), it means my wife and 2 daughters get ... more care, cheaper.

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. Yes, there is that.

And the wives and girlfriends of my three sons get more cheaper care too.

A compelling argument? YMMV.

[JoePhilly]

33. "YMMV" ... only to the extent that the man loves the women in his life.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. ... more than his own.

Most of the critics I've read on this point are actually women, for whom the love of the men in their lives are a consideration.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

48. ok...you're right.

Lets just make insurance more expensive for those who burden it.

People with chronic illness.
People with acute illnesses
People likely to sustain physical injuries (construction, sports players, police, heavy equipment operators, taxi drivers......)
People who work in dangerous and stressfull jobs (see above)
People with children (lotta Dr. visits there)
People over 55 (age related illnesses)

After all, your point and stossell's is that those who use it more should pay more.

You would never just target women....

[lumberjack_jeff]

49. Strawman.

I support single payer, so I support eliminating gender as a rating criteria.

I do however, insist that the resulting system provide equal access and care to everyone.

[Brigid]

21. Why does this idiot still have a job?

Even at FOX?

[ohheckyeah]

22. Women probably wouldn't need more

health care visits if their complaints weren't so often chalked up to "it's all in your head."

Piss on John Stossel.

"I’m in my 60s, why should I pay for your maternity coverage?"

In our 20s, 30s, and 40s, why must we pay for your prostate problems and Viagra?

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. One of the ironies of Stossel's argument

Is that one of the main features of the ACA is capping the premiums of old people at 4x the cost of young people. This has the effect of requiring young people to subsidize the care of old people.

In other words, in a diatribe about men having to subsidize women, he argues for the subsidy young people give him.

[earthside]

30. He doesn't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is basically a socialistic gambling racket.

Insurance is totally based on a redistribution of wealth -- the healthy pay for the ill; good drivers pay for bad drivers; people who die young pay for people who die old .... etc.

You and the insurance company are making a bet that first, you won't need to make a claim, and second, that there will be enough money to pay you off if you do have to make a claim.

The disgusting thing also about what Stossel asserts is that a lot of Teabag women will agree with him, you know, the self-loathing type.

[winter is coming]

61. +1000. n/t

[sibelian]

24. Men should go to the doctor more!!111!! And women should go less!!!11!!

menwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenmenwomenINFINITY.

[Lugnut]

87. Good gawd!

My husband would live there if he went any more times than he already does. I go every six months for my check-up and prescription refills and I'm the one who's disabled!

[gopiscrap]

26. Stossel is an embarrassment to journalism as is the rest of that shit ass channel he works for!

[graywarrior]

28. Maybe Stossel is an idiot, or maybe he's a fucking asshole.

[awoke_in_2003]

53. The two are not mutually exclusive. nt

[Quantess]

32. Oh, nice. I see republicans are still doing their best to win the hearts and minds of female voters

We women love being lumped together in one group, having our behavior overgeneralized, and portrayed in a negative angle.

It's not like men ought to see the doctor more often for preventative care, oh no. It's the women who fail to measure up to the typical behavior of men. I'm really sick of that attitude.

Costwise there are pros and cons to going to the doctor more often. Do people who visit the doctor more often for checkups cost more in the long run? Or do they catch problems earlier and thus save money? In any case, women still live longer than men, on average.

BTW, I only go to the doctor if I really need to.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

86. Bingo. It's like these guys who say, "All women are the same"....

It's like saying, "All men are the same."

There's a bit of a range between this:



And this:

[Skittles]

94. let's be honest here

men fear that gloved finger

[Oilwellian]

37. Isn't this entire philosophy self defeating?

Using their circular logic, how is a man with a wife and daughter, paying less for health insurance?

[Quantess]

90. I think it means you need to leave your wife because she was a slut for having sex with you?

Sluts must be punished!
Oh yeah, you were married when she got pregnant. Hmm... well, she's probably a slut anyway because she might have enjoyed it?
Which means your daughter must be a slut, too. Unless you go to daddy-daughter "promise-keepers" dances.

I give up. None of it makes sense to me.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

40. The asshole doesn't look too happy

[DirkGently]

43. Stossel became a monster at some point.

[Uncle Joe]

56. It started when the doctor smacked him in the face at birth, mistaking it for his ass.

[DirkGently]

60. He seemed less vicious in his 20/20 days.

At least that was my impression then. It was so long ago I was very young, and perhaps did not pick up on his hostile, Objectivist worldview.

[datasuspect]

63. it started when dr. death smacked him

"what the hell's wrong with you? that's an open hand slap."

will never get tired of that one.

[Rex]

65. They slap each other around until they are silly!

I've always LOVED that clip! Just an 'open hand slap'...standard fair in a wrestling match! Baby John moved with purpose after that last slap!

[datasuspect]

66. WHOMP!

[Rex]

67. I could watch that a million times over!

Just an open handed slap!

SAY WRESTLING IS FAKE AGAIN!

[Uncle Joe]

69. I would wager that was fake as well, it fits Stossel's support of Republicans.

Stossel wasn't trying to expose professional wrestling for being fake, he was in on the act.

His true goal was to make it seem real because he knew the fraud of Professional Wrestling' is designed to dumb down the people making them easier to divide and conquer.

[Rex]

80. "That was just an open handed slap! What the hell is wrong with you?"

I'm sorry but that will NEVER get old! Fake or not.

[Uncle Joe]

81. Do you believe that Professional Wrestling is fake? If the answer is yes does that help Republicans?

I believe the answer is yes to both questions, that's why I don't view that act by Stossel as being anymore worthy than Powell's actions at the U.N.

They're both propaganda, the former to aid the Republican Party to power and sustaining that power, the latter in having the nation behind those Republicans to wage war based on lies.

[Rex]

82. Believe? I know it is all scripted acting...and bad acting at that.

I don't see how that helps Republicans. Well, they both have one thing in common - both groups are terrible actors.

[Uncle Joe]

83. It helps Republicans in multiple ways.

1. In general it promotes and glorifies violence which in turn affects the psychology of the nation. If you want to have a war like nation and the U.S. is that, then a societal tendency towards violence is a nescessary prerequisite.

2. Specifically it promotes violence with no rule of law, this is especially damaging to the gullible or young but even the people that know better take it in at a subconcious level. The referees in Professional Wrestling might as well be pseudo liberals on FOX "News" putting up weak or no resistance to any set of foul play or commentary. There was and I would wager no doubt still is plenty of foul play in Professional Wrestling with no or extremely little punative measures taken by the WWF.

3. It creates cultural division and stereotypes, the Republicans thrive on divide and conquer. I haven't watched Professional Wrestling in over 40 years but when I did, the heroes or good guys were quite well defined against the bad guys. Here in Nashville, the prime good guy was Jackie Fargo, he was blonde but had an Elvis hair wave and charisma, he would strut after faking out an opponent.

The bad guys were the masked "Mighty Yankees," we never saw their face, they might have been from Alabama, but they were known as Yankees, the evil manager Saul Weingeroff; started off managing a German Tag Team with Nazi undertones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Weingeroff

Often using his signature cane as well as fireballs (one of the earliest managers to do so) to aid in the victories of his wrestlers, he and the Von Brauners were one of the most popular "heels" in the National Wrestling Alliance during the early 1960s both for the Von Brauners Nazi-like in ring personas[3][4][5] as well as his eccentric antics such as his entering the 1964 U.S. presidential election.[6] The cause of rioting in several major cities, the trio often needed to have a police escort before and after wrestling events.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tojo_Yamamoto

Yamamoto had success as a heel as an individual wrestler and part of a tag team, particularly in the southern United States, invoking the natural hatred for World War II enemies (in his case, Prime Minister Tojo and IJN admiral Yamamoto; also successful were The Von Brauners, who wore Iron Crosses and goose-stepped around the ring). He worked in hundreds of different tag-team combinations, and even wrestled Hulk Hogan. According to Hogan, "he hit me in the throat with his cheap shot, I fell through the ropes...(on the floor) he grabbed a cigar out of a guy's mouth and dropped it in my boot".[2] These exemplify the kind of over-the-top heel tactics Yamamoto would use, in addition to the general distrust of the Japanese that many Americans held even after the war.

He was affiliated with Nashville-area wrestling promoter Nick Gulas for most of his career. In Nashville, he was promoted as "the most hated wrestler of all time" and "the epitome of evil".[2] Nick Gulas was notorious for supposedly underpaying his wrestlers, but Yamamoto and his trainee Jackie Fargo were notable exceptions. They were two of Gulas's best draws from the early 60's to the early 70's, but in addition to the money they generated, they were also reliable and loyal. Yamamoto showed his allegiance despite offers from other promoters, including an offer from his close friend and student Jerry Jarrett when he started promoting shows of his own.

Now Stossel most definitely leans towards Republicans and/or right wing, Libertarians he got paid $425,000 for those two smacks, so he came out pretty well and Professional Wrestling which paid him got tens of millions if not over a hundred+ million dollars in free advertising with the implicit/explicit message supporting their fiction that wrestling wasn't fake and David Schultz; the man that slapped Stossel has consistently stated that he was ordered to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel

David Schultz incident[edit]On December 28, 1984, during an interview for 20/20 on professional wrestling, wrestler David Schultz struck Stossel after Stossel stated that he thought professional wrestling was "fake". Stossel stated that he suffered from pain and buzzing in his ears eight weeks after the assault.[80] Stossel sued and obtained a settlement of $425,000 from the World Wrestling Federation (WWF). In his book, Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity, he writes that he has come to regret doing so, having adopted the belief that lawsuits harm many innocent people.[81] Schultz maintains that he attacked Stossel on orders from Vince McMahon, the head of the then-WWF.[82]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Schultz_(professional_wrestler)

Although he has consistently maintained that World Wrestling Federation officials told him to hit Stossel, Schultz was fired. Many industry insiders believe that it was not because of his actions against Stossel, but rather because he challenged Mr. T to a fight backstage at a WWF show at Madison Square Garden.[13]

(snip)

In October 2006, Schultz was honored along with J.J. Dillon and Missy Hyatt at a dinner banquet hosted by the Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame and attended by former WWF wrestlers from the 1970s and 80s.[19] During the event, he would participate on a Q&A panel discussing the PWHOF and taking questions from audience members as well as conducted a "shoot interview" with RF Video. As part of their agreement, RF Video donated $500 in his name to the PWHF Building Fund and later presenting a check to PWHF President Tony Vellano.[20]

[Manifestor_of_Light]

45. He probably thinks women make up obstetric/gynecological problems.

Severe abdominal pain? I'd put my cramps and my ovarian cyst that went kablooey and sent me to the ER against any pain he's been through. Oh, and recovery from the C section.



I've also had a kidney stone, and the ovarian cyst was just as bad or worse than the kidney stone. Including the barfing.......

[DefenseLawyer]

47. How did we become a nation of sociopaths?

I blame fluoridation

[Rex]

52. Aww how cute...baby Stossel was burbling about capitalism.

Competition you simpleton? Have you paid ANY attention to the last 3 decades, John Stupid?

[El Shaman]

54. Looks like Johnnie is

ready for another 'bee itch' slapping!!

[LittleGirl]

55. I've paid more for health insurance than my colleagues for decades

And paid less for the same work as the men in the IT field that it sickens me. All of those lost wages (not 'earned' like the boys) and higher premiums for insurance lowered my standard of living by at least 20% every year I worked.

Sickness has no gender bias and getting rich on someone's bad genes is morally wrong. No matter your station in life, you deserve healthcare. Fair is Fair.

Out of many, one.

[Broken_Hero]

58. I only have two words to say to Stossel,

"Fuck You"

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

59. And maybe, just maybe,

Stossel is a journalist!

[AAO]

62. If I hold him from behind, any women want to kick him hard in the nuts, be my guest!

This "man" (seems more like a boy to me) is a festering wound on the America I grew up knowing.

[Dollface]

68. Moms go to the doctor more often because they don't have time to be sick.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Too stupid to live

And of course he has bred already and I'm sure the mother of his children received excellent pre-natal care.

[NastyRiffraff]

71. Maybe John Stossel

should pay more for his insurance because he's a complete idiot.

[Flatpicker]

75. Not an idiot

But he is a higher risk for prostate cancer seeing as how he is a 6 foot asshole.

His premiums should be higher because a colonoscopy will take all day to finish.

[rickford66]

72. He preaches responsibility

Doesn't he know where babies come from? Aren't men at least half responsible for a pregnancy?

[Quantess]

74. No! The stupid women are SLUTS!

Sluts need to PAY for their sins, I suppose.

It twists your brain in knots tying to figure out how these fucked up people (RW conservatives) think.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. Go smoke a turd, buddy.

Fucking asshat.

[Turbineguy]

77. I never thought about this before,

but it must be difficult for Fox to find people that are THAT FUCKING STUPID to come on their TV station!

[zeos3]

78. Let's take this idea to it's conclusion...

Why should women of child bearing age pay for insurance that covers prostate exams and Viagra...

I don't drink or do drugs, why should I pay for substance abuse and mental health treatment... (By the way, the NRA should LOVE the ACA since it covers mental health for everyone now. They always argue we have a mental health problem, not a gun problem. Where is the NRA support on this???)

My friend has one leg (lost the other to cancer as a child), why should he pay for insurance that covers two legs??

I drive a 2-door car. Why should I pay for insurance that covers 4-doors??

I live in a ranch style home with no garage. Why should I pay for someone else's finished basement and 2-car attached garage??

[yuiyoshida]

79. WHERE IS that wrestling guy when we need him????

[DesertFlower]

84. i can't stand that asshole.

[BillyRibs]

85. John Stossel

You insurance should cost more cause your a complete loon!

[judesedit]

88. Men are the crybabies when they're sick if you want to get down to it. Sorry guys. You know it too

Women have to keep going no matter what. Put your big boy panties on, Stossel, and act like an adult for a change.

Everyone pays for shit they don't need. I, knock on wood, go to the doctor once a year for some minor thing. I'm still paying for all of the diabetics, heart disease patients, viagra-needing impotent, uninsured emergency room visitors and on and on.

Just as I pay taxes for education of our youth, even though mine are in their 40's. You want an educated country....or one that consists of a majority of brainwashed idiots? It's bad enough "The Dumbing Down Of America" was implemented 40 years ago. Check it out if you think I'm full of shit. I dare you.

[judesedit]

89. One more thing..Men impregnate women and then complain they have to pay for the child they created.

Their heads have been up their asses for so long they still can't see the light. How dare they? If they'd keep it in their pants, it wouldn't be an issue. Just like they SAY they don't want abortions, but want to refuse the coverage of birth control pills. Viagra is okay though. What bullshit.

Sorry stable, reasonable, responsible men that don't fit this category. I know there are many out there. You're just quieter. The brainless blowhards are taking all of the attention right now.

[juanrodriguezn248]

91. As always, Stossel proves himself to be a fucking idiot

But what can one expect from a right wing blowhard like him?

[47of74]

92. Stossel should pay more for asshole insurance.

Because he's a big fucking one at that.

[Live and Learn]

93. Apparently, Stossel still has mother issues.

He really should get some treatment for his problem. Thankfully, the ACA will insure that he has coverage.

[Fuddnik]

97. Maybe he thinks this is why his wife always has a headache.

It couldn't be that he's an insufferable asshole.