25 Revelations From The Final Report On Sandy Hook

[JaneyVee]

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6. There were disturbing items found in the shooter’s room, including three photographs of a dead human covered in blood, and photocopied newspaper articles from 1891 about a school shooting involving children.

10. Before the shooter left for Sandy Hook, he significantly damaged his hard drive. Forensic experts still cannot recover any information from it. Should information be obtained from the hard drive, the case will be reopened.

11. Some digital evidence was seized, however, including images of Lanza holding a gun to his head, videos of him playing Dance Dance Revolution, and video dramatizations of children being shot.

17. He liked building computers, playing video games and the saxophone, writing poetry, and hiking, according to the report. Shooting was considered a family pastime, and Nancy and Adam Lanza both took NRA safety courses.

The rest:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/final-investigative-report-on-newtown-shooting-finds-no-conc

[Blue_Tires]

1. So knowing all of this his mother bought him GUNS?

[HooptieWagon]

4. Uh, no. He stole her guns, by all indications.

And IIRC, he used his brother's ID to buy ammunition.

[Blue_Tires]

6. But he did have regular access to them, right?

Didn't she take him to the shooting range?

[HooptieWagon]

9. I haven't seen that info released.

Yes, she took him to a shooting range. It was reported at the time of shooting that there was a gun safe at the house. What hasn't been reported is whether Lanza had regular access to the gun safe, how he accessed the gun safe if he didn't have regular access, whether "his" gun was kept in the gun safe, or if "his" gun was involved in the shooting.

[Recursion]

7. "A Christmas check from the mother to the shooter to buy a CZ 83"

Unless the reportage is deliberately badly written, it looks like she substantively bought him one, even if she technically was the purchaser.

[HooptieWagon]

8. I don't know what kind of gun that is....

or even if he used it in the shooting. And I don't know how (or if) the mother had the guns secured. It's possible she kept "his" gun locked up with hers....I haven't seen any information regarding that. It was reported at the time there was a gun safe in the house, but not how Lanza accessed it.

[Recursion]

10. It's a handgun modeled after an old Czech military sidearm

They're usually .38 (a fairly "light" pistol), and usually fairly cheap.

Whether that's the handgun he took with him or not, no idea...

[HooptieWagon]

13. Its a 9mm, which is about .380.

Thats not a light handgun, its pretty powerful. Most all PDs have switched from their old .38 Special revolvers to 9mm semi-autos for greater firepower and easier re-loading. .22s and .32s are considered light handguns. .38 is about average, .38 Spl a little more powerful, and 9mm a bit more powerful yet.

[Recursion]

15. I was thinking compared to a 45

But, yeah, it is probably on the heavy side of pistols in general.

[HooptieWagon]

17. Yes, a .45 is a very powerful handgun.

A 9mm is a lot lighter and smaller, but is still pretty powerful.

[HooptieWagon]

12. OK, a quick google search....

shows that a CZ 83 is a 9mm military surplus handgun imported from the Czech Republic.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_82
I don't recall any of the victims being shot with a handgun, I think they were all shot with the .223 semi-automatic rifle. He may have killed himself with the handgun, I don't know. And, IIRC, he shot his mother with a .22, which wouldn't have been the 9mm handgun.

[Recursion]

14. Right, but Blue_Tire's point was that his mom bought him gun(s)

Which as far as I can read from this is a factual statement.

[HooptieWagon]

23. No, its not entirely correct.

Lanza was too young to own a handgun under CT law. The mother registered the gun (singular, not plural) she "bought" him in her name, so technically speaking it was legally her gun.
And regardless of that, the gun wasn't used in the shooting. The gun his mother "bought" him was a CZ 83 handgun. The victims were all shot with a .223 rifle. Lanza killed himself with a Glock handgun. On his person was SIG handgun, which apparently was not fired, and in the trunk of his mother's car was a shotgun. Those 4 guns are the only weapons mentioned in the police report.

[kcr]

16. Uh, yes.

She bought him the guns. It's right there in the report.

[HooptieWagon]

19. No, you're incorrect.

She "bought" him A gun....which apparently wasn't used in the shooting. The gun she bought him (he technically wasn't old enough to own a handgun under CT law) was a CZ 83 9mm handgun. The victims were all shot with a .223 rifle. Lanza killed himself with a 10mm Glock. On his person was also a 9mm SIG handgun, which apparently wasn't fired. In the trunk of his mother's car was a shotgun, also not used.
So, he didn't even have "his" handgun in his possession during the shooting.

[kcr]

21. He lived with his mother. She bought him guns.

You are simply incorrect. I have no idea why you feel the need to give the impression he stole guns from her. It's false.

[HooptieWagon]

26. He didn't have his mothers permission,

therefore he stole them. And her car. The gun (singular, not plural) she" bought" him, he wasn't legally allowed to own in CT, therefore it was registered in her name. We can split hairs over whether it was his gun, but legally she owned it. This gun was not involved in the shooting. All the guns involved in the shooting were the mother's.

[kcr]

27. He didn't have his mother's permission to go shoot up a school? Well, duh.

Your nitpicking semantics doesn't change the fact he had the car and guns with her blessing. It's very clear from the report.

[HooptieWagon]

28. With her blessing?

Did he also shoot her "with her blessing" before stealing her car and guns, "with her blessing"?

How the fuck can you interpret murdering her and stealing her guns and car to mean he had her blessing? Thats just pathetic lying.

[kcr]

30. Right. You're not interested in an honest discussion

you just want to twist words. Because you seem more than intelligent enough to be able to read well enough to comprehend that that is not at all what I said. Please.

[HooptieWagon]

31. Right...so tell me honestly

how murdering his mother and stealing her guns and car equates to "having her blessing"?

[kcr]

34. She gave him the car and guns. n/t

[HooptieWagon]

35. Why did he kill her then?

"Hey mom, I'm taking your car and guns and 400 rounds of ammunition to go on a killing spree"..

"Okay, dear, have a nice day. Please be home by dinner".

REALLY? Thats just idiocy.

[kcr]

36. Why are you asking me? n/t

[HooptieWagon]

37. Because you're making the idiotic claim she gave her guns and car to him.

And he then murdered her anyway. Thats just stupid.

[kcr]

39. I'm not making that "idiotic" claim. It says it in the report.

The report also says it cannot determine why he did it. I don't know why you're asking me.

[kcr]

40. Stupid? That would be putting it mildly.

His acts were horrific. We'll probably never know why he did it.

[HooptieWagon]

33. Well, if she gave him her cars and guns to go shoot up an elementary school....

...with her "blessing", then why did he kill her? What, she didn't give him her ATM card too? It is beyond ludicrous to claim, as you are, that his mother willing gave him her car and guns to go murder 26 people at an elementary school. While she bears some blame for not securing her guns better, and for perhaps not getting her son mental help he needed, to claim she just gave her car and guns to him is seriously sick and twisted.

[kcr]

38. I'm not claiming she gave him guns to commit a shooting. I never made that claim.

That is your twisted wording. I have no idea why you started with that nonsense.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. so the takeaway from this is that "Dance Dance Revolution" is an obvious cause of mass shootings

and that there should be strict regulation of this and all similar dance games.

[arcane1]

5. WTF is up with item 25?

It says:
On the day of the shooting, several Newtown residents received voice messages — all from out of state — saying, “I am Adam Lanza and I am going to kill you.”

Page 43 of the document says:
Numerous citizens in Newtown received calls on their telephones with messages left saying “I am [the shooter’s name] and I am going to kill you.” It was determined that these calls were made from out of state and the investigation is ongoing. Preliminary investigation results establish that the callers were not associated with the shooter.

[LionsTigersRedWings]

11. yeah, that is very strange...

[B2G]

24. So they confirmed the calls took place,

were placed from out of state, but say they weren't associated with Lanza?

I'm assuming they were placed AFTER the shooting, otherwise...

[XemaSab]

18. Was that his bedroom while he was living there?

That is SERIOUSLY creepy.

Like, a complete and total mess would be MUCH less creepy.

[xmas74]

20. And the conspiracy theorists are now posting on Buzzfeed.

I'm glad to see them attacked.

[RiffRandell]

22. Only communicated with his mother by email

when she lived upstairs. WTF?

[B2G]

25. Would love to know what's on that hard drive

I'm assuming we'll never know at this point...

[DrDan]

29. "Officers found numerous violent video games in Lanza’s basement."

[BainsBane]

32. JaneyVee, would you mind crossposting this

in the Gun Control group? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

We'd love to have it there to discuss.