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It's not a son or daughter thing, it's a people thing.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)A man asked Rabbi Hillel to teach him the entire Torah, the five books of Moses, while standing on one foot.
And Hillel did.
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That's the whole Torah", he said. "All the rest is commentary. Now go and study."
marshall
(6,665 posts)We have a long way to go, even after we look at how far we have already come. We can appreciate our progress, but always remember the path goes on and on...
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)There's a website that claims there are 63 genders but that's a lot to try to keep up with. I normally think in terms of two and will refer to someone with whichever pronoun they identify with. Haven't encountered a situation where neither were appropriate, maybe I should memorize one of the several different gender-neutral pronoun lists and just use that at all times except for my school papers.
marshall
(6,665 posts)Now the debate has moved to the value of the gender classification system itself. Gender is viewed as a spectrum and it is the boundaries created by classification that are being rejected.
Every rising generation finds ways to push progress in ways older generations would never have thought. What we consider absolutely inclusive and daringly fair today could be considered completely bigoted in one hundred years. Look at Margaret Sanger for instance. Her work with minority communities was considered bold and impetuous in her time. But today many of her views as well as her approach would be considered extremely bigoted.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)did you miss that it too says we have to teach our sons the messages it gives?
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)and is taken from a conservative Christen website? Luminous Animal had a better one talking about not tying a woman's self-worth to a man's opinion but I feel that the message should be gender-neutral from the get go, no offense Luminous.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)and it's silly to freak out because this one image of it comes from a conservative Christian site. Maybe the message isn't gender neutral because the problem of people who grow up to see their worth in terms of others still happen mostly with women, and the problem of people who grow up to feel 'naturally superior' still happen mostly with men.
But the fact remains that the message was aimed at both genders, but you seem to have missed that.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)it's telling a woman what to look for in a man and how a man should treat the woman he loves. More importantly the version that was posted isn't complete, most of the versions on the web talk about how woman is God's gift to man and isn't secular.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)because of their gender are overwhelmingly in heterosexual relationships - and with the man thinking he should dominate the woman.
" most of the versions on the web talk about how woman is God's gift to man and isn't secular" - well, it's good, then, that we've seen a version that doesn't bring God into it.