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Aristus

(66,327 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:48 PM Dec 2013

"This country was founded by Christians!"

The age-old right-wing meme used to justify dickbag behavior in the name of God.

I would love to point out to them that it was Plymouth Colony that was founded by Christians, not the whole damn country. And the Puritans thought so little good about Christmas that they actually banned the celebration in 1644! So, there's that.

I would also love to tell the "We-are-a-Christian-nation" types that the Jamestown colony, which predates Plymouth by a decade and a half, was founded by greedy fortune-hunters who were unable to do a lick of work for themselves, so they hired, and later enslaved, people to do the work for them. These are the true ancestors of our money-crazed, incompetent corporate masters.

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"This country was founded by Christians!" (Original Post) Aristus Dec 2013 OP
Also say nowhere in the constitution does it say we are a Christian nation. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1
did you see the Smithsonian article about evidence of cannibalism in Jamestown? CatWoman Dec 2013 #2
That would make a heck of a bumper sticker! progressoid Dec 2013 #16
To me it's more important how YankeyMCC Dec 2013 #3
I thought Georgia was founded by criminals. I'm tsuki Dec 2013 #4
well it's being run by them .. still bench scientist Dec 2013 #5
lol CatWoman Dec 2013 #28
This continent was settled by non-Christians, long before Leif Ericson spotted it. onehandle Dec 2013 #6
Right! Like the Puritans were any better than the religous system they left. L0oniX Dec 2013 #7
Isn't this another way of saying that Christians are responsibe for genocide? Sanity Claws Dec 2013 #8
Well put! hrmjustin Dec 2013 #11
Let's not forget that many of the Founding Fathers were deists chungking34 Dec 2013 #9
This country was founded by people living in bands and tribes who walked over from the Bering Strait Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #10
+1 hrmjustin Dec 2013 #12
The reasons the Puritans banned Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with secularism Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #13
They were like the Taliban, but with belt buckles on their hats. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #14
I often wonder why they put belt buckles on their heads. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #15
They didn't. dawg Dec 2013 #21
You guys (and gals) don't get it, do you? mikehiggins Dec 2013 #17
The USA was founded by fu@#ing genocidalist slavers! Coyotl Dec 2013 #18
I wouldn't say our corporate masters are incompetent indie9197 Dec 2013 #19
Errr...the reality "This country was FUNDED by Christians" Sheepshank Dec 2013 #20
It was 'found' by natives. The 'founded by' Europeans is just a fictional construct. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #22
even if it was. so fucking what? KG Dec 2013 #23
Let's ask these founders what they think we should do. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #24
The 'Religious Right" genuninely do believe that the American Revolution was the creation of "Bible Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #25
Well said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2013 #26
"Founded by Christians?" Brigid Dec 2013 #27
founded by people who FLED christian nations is more like it. unblock Dec 2013 #29
no, but turned christian... Marblehead Dec 2013 #30

YankeyMCC

(8,401 posts)
3. To me it's more important how
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:57 PM
Dec 2013

the country is Formed rather than founded.

And it has been and continues to be formed by a myriad of people with a myriad of different religions and traditions and ideas.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. This continent was settled by non-Christians, long before Leif Ericson spotted it.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:24 PM
Dec 2013

And he may or may not have been a Pagan at the time.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
7. Right! Like the Puritans were any better than the religous system they left.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:26 PM
Dec 2013

Also ...they seem to forget about that nasty asshole slaver ...Columbus.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
8. Isn't this another way of saying that Christians are responsibe for genocide?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:37 PM
Dec 2013

People were already living here before the so-called Christians came. They simply pushed the natives out and committed genocide.
If one wants to extol the merits of Christianity, one shouldn't associate it with the founding of the US.

 

chungking34

(51 posts)
9. Let's not forget that many of the Founding Fathers were deists
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

But why let facts get in the way of their ignorance?

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
10. This country was founded by people living in bands and tribes who walked over from the Bering Strait
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:41 PM
Dec 2013

around 12,000 years ago.

It amazes me how the Right conveniently forgets that Native Americans were here thousand of years before Europeans.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
13. The reasons the Puritans banned Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with secularism
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dec 2013

Christmas was not "religious enough" and the old customs of wassailing for booze and food, parties, etc. were the reasons they abandoned it.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
15. I often wonder why they put belt buckles on their heads.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:12 PM
Dec 2013

It reminds me of

So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

dawg

(10,624 posts)
21. They didn't.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:32 PM
Dec 2013

Buckles were considered "old-fashioned" in the 1800's when people first started commemorating the pilgrims. So artists stuck them everywhere when depicting them - even on their hats.

Neither the Puritans nor the Jamestown settlers wore buckles on their hats. In fact, no one is known to have done that. Only my distant ancestors ...

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
17. You guys (and gals) don't get it, do you?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:00 PM
Dec 2013

The points about the immigrants from ancient Asia are well taken. The points about the Vikings (which historical research suggests had a much larger footprint on aboriginal North America than earlier suspected) and, yeah, even the collection of ne'er do well's from Europe who founded those colonies, they are true as well.
However, as I have posted every year since I came on this board, the people who founded this NATION, or at least those who manipulated things into falling into place the way they did, were those damned Freemasons with their ideas about individuals rights and universal education and so forth and so on.
And you wonder sometimes if the British generals threw some of those battles...

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
18. The USA was founded by fu@#ing genocidalist slavers!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:07 PM
Dec 2013

Ask any Native American or African American.

indie9197

(509 posts)
19. I wouldn't say our corporate masters are incompetent
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:20 PM
Dec 2013

They are doing a damn good job of doing what they do!

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
24. Let's ask these founders what they think we should do.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:43 PM
Dec 2013

Oh, what? They're dead?

Damn it. Maybe we should decide for ourselves, then.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
25. The 'Religious Right" genuninely do believe that the American Revolution was the creation of "Bible
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:54 PM
Dec 2013

believing," born again, fundamentalist Christians. They genuinely do believe that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution were based on fundamentalist born again Christians principles. They genuinely do believe all the founders of the American republic from John Adams to Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson to George Washington were fundamentalist born again Christians led by the Holy Spirit and were the forerunners of the Moral Majority, The Christian Coalition and the Family Research Council. They genuinely do believe that born again fundamentalist Christians are the only legitimate participants in the American tradition that was established by THEIR forefathers when the nation was founded in 1776. Yes that is completely outrageous - But this is exactly what the religious right does believe - pretty much every one of them. Liberals and secularist are a foreign enemy entity trying to hijack something they have no right to and this is the root cause of all of America's problems. This is their worldview and their universally assumed understanding of history and anyone who tries to tell them otherwise is lying or crazy and certainly evil and a traitor against the United States of America.

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