Seeing rape thread after rape thread on DU is weird.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

Just my two cents.

[Oakenshield]

1. Well, look at the context.

Would women/feminists really benefit much from trying to discuss rape with right wingers? The political right pretty much represents everything they're fighting against. The so called "traditional values" of Republicans would relegate women to the status of second-class citizens or worse.

Since we typically champion civil rights and egalitarianism, it should come perhaps as little surprise that feminists look chiefly to us to help further their goals.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

3. well....rape awareness achieved.

[snooper2]

64. I did a google image search on ( rape thread )

I think it has meme status-

[DonCoquixote]

2. not really

sadly, some people kept picking at the scab, saying things about rape that really were, at the most charitable estimate, foolish. Women's issues are still very serious,and indeed, if we manage to win elections, it is because women will continue to assert themselves.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

4. understood. but there are a whole host of women's issues actually germane to the Dem side

clearly, the "we have to idea what we're talking about regarding rape" contingent sits squarely on the GOP side--with not one, but TWO senate candidates taken down over the issue.

So....I am just saying it seems to be one of those DU phases like pit bulls, JFK conspiracy theories 24/7, and porn.

Hopefully it dies down and we can focus on actual critical news and issues rather than bashing one another over the head because someone didn't genuflect low enough for another person.

[BainsBane]

7. Rape isn't "germane"?

In what world? Some of us take our lives seriously and don't see them as trivial or a distraction. This is exactly the kind of bullshit that pisses people a lot of people off. Perhaps you should try looking outside of your sense of entitlement for a couple of minutes to imagine what it must be like for so many hundreds of women on this site to be survivors of rape and domestic abuse.

If you can't support something as basic as my right to safety, why would you even consider yourself a Democrat? Women are the majority of voters in the Democratic Party. Your insistence that issues that are of central concern to many of us are somehow not germane is wholly insulting. We take enough shit from the Republicans on this. Why do you feel compelled to dish it out too? You could simply trash the threads rather than making a point of declaring concerns of a number of women on this site to be less than "germane."

I am sick to fucking death of my body being a proxy for political games. Basic human rights matter. So excuse me if I think my life actually has value.

I don't care nearly as much about Social Security as many of the older members of this site because I know I will never be able draw on it. But that doesn't mean I feel compelled to tell people their concerns are not "germane" because they aren't about me. The incredible sense of entitlement that allows some to declare the experiences of others insignificant is truly mind boggling.

[boston bean]

9. Rape likened to conspiracies... and pit bulls.

speaks volumes.

[BainsBane]

10. Doesn't it just

FFS

[redqueen]

31. +1

[xulamaude]

54. Yep, only the nutters have anything to do with

those issues...

Holy cow.

[Capt. Obvious]

19. You're plying your craft with subtlety today

That's not your style

[Sheldon Cooper]

49. Yeah, because rape isn't an "actual critical news and issues" worthy of discussion.

What a disgusting, horrendously bad post.

[CrispyQ]

58. You must be a guy.

"Hopefully it dies down and we can focus on actual critical news and issues..."



Let me help you. Next to every thread there is a little box with an X in it. If you click that, you can make these nuisance threads disappear. Trust me, your input won't be missed.

[riqster]

67. Crimes committed against a group who are the majority of our population

Are critical issues.

[Atman]

5. I find it particularly frustrating/annoying

Because most of the participants have me on ignore anyway, and they've locked me out of HoF, so I couldn't respond to half of them if I wanted to. This, despite my having done work with NOW, NARAL and a bunch of women's advocacy groups. But I was "victim" to the Outrage Brigade when I used a street term in reference to a stripper once. It, too, generated multiple threads and hundreds of posts over days.

I don't think they even begin to realize how difficult they themselves make a dialog. I'm frankly afraid to say anything anymore. And I suppose that is the intended goal.

[Katashi_itto]

12. I think thats the whole point. Frankly, I am looking at women's issues on DU,

less and less seriously. These ongoing threads just trivialize it all.

[SomethingFishy]

47. The self censorship is the worst...

What's the point of joining a discussion if you get attacked for saying something as innocuous as "I think most DU men are good guys".

[Pretzel_Warrior]

50. I hear you. It is something to behold

[FarPoint]

6. I totally agree...

I trashed them.

[morningfog]

8. Meta forum is closed, this OP is meta.

It does not belong in GD as it is about DU posting and nothing more.

[pintobean]

11. Meta is a group now

Invitation only. It's where this stuff originates.

[LisaLynne]

14. Is it? I had no idea.

Interesting.

[pintobean]

21. Sure. Many know about it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125533830

[Capt. Obvious]

23. I saw that thread

And despite several passes through it I keep failing to see the "goodbye until my Admin imposed vacation is up." part of the thread.

[pintobean]

37. Yeah, it doesn't seem like his style

I would expect more of a Walt Star style of gbcw. I suspect he'll be back after the vacation.

That's just my humble opinion.

humble
adjective, hum·bler, hum·blest.
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humble?s=t

[In_The_Wind]

24. Well. That explains a lot.

[LisaLynne]

42. Well, that sadly explains some things. nt

[aikoaiko]

56. Wow.

Shakes head.

[Union Scribe]

61. Lol. Interesting strategy on his part

to post that in a protected group.

[pintobean]

69. Indeed

The mirror tells all.

[Vashta Nerada]

65. He'll be on forced vacation anyways, like Pretzel_Warrior said.

[Rex]

73. PW is going on vacation too.

Imagine that.

[pintobean]

74. That list has been growing

rather than shrinking since Skinner said there were seven. A few have extended their vacation, as well. Maybe it's this damn war



































on Christmas.

[Rex]

76. I've noticed, it shall be interesting to see how quiet this place gets with

so many 'prominent posters' on forced vacation.

Maybe the rest of us can get together and smoke the peace pipe in their absence.

[Vashta Nerada]

78. So is another poster in this thread.

Imagine that.

[Waiting For Everyman]

17. +1

[Iggo]

13. Meta!

[el_bryanto]

15. It's not that weird at all; generally when someone posts something you'll see two or three or four

variations of the theme popping up. What's weird is how much some want this particular subject of conversation to end.

Bryant

[redqueen]

33. I'm glad more people are noticing this. nt

[Squinch]

52. And those who claim to want the subject buried are the same ones who post the second and

third and fourth post on the same subject, usually claiming that they have been wronged in some way by the discussion, and they simply Will Not Buckle Under to the meanies who are saying that All Men Are Rapists!!!!1!!! With a mean tone!!!1!

If they are not the authors of the OP, they have 20 or 30 posts in the thread.

Seems irrational to me.

[Vashta Nerada]

80. Yep.

Why not just post in the current thread? Why start yet another thread?

Oh. It's about the "look at me, look at me".

[JTFrog]

16. Indeed.

Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?

[CTyankee]

18. Then why do you post another one?

I also wonder why those who are chiming in on your side are, um, back again on another rape thread. If "nobody" cares and it's "all settled" anyway (except for those "fringy" Feminists) why bother?

[Starry Messenger]

20. Pretzel has a sad. Oh well.

[Oilwellian]

22. This is the only rape thread I see on the first page

Weird.

[Squinch]

27. And it seems that they all get many, many responses, from the very people complaining about them.

Weird.

[Dash87]

25. What's the point of this thread?

[Jester Messiah]

85. To continue the ruckus.

And potentially drive down user traffic as everyone says "not this shit again" and leaves. You know, the usual.

[etherealtruth]

26. Probably because of this: Rape more common than smoking in the US

http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/1424839/Rape-more-common-than-smoking-in-the-US.html

The United States is experiencing an epidemic of sexual violence. New findings from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), a study launched by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in 2010, report that nearly 1 in 5 women are estimated to have been the victims of rape, defined as unwanted completed or attempted sexual penetration, including victims who did not have the capacity to give consent (owing to intoxication, for example). In almost all cases, the perpetrator was someone the victim knew (91.9%) and more than half of the time was their own partner. Young adulthood was the period of highest risk for first sexual victimization. For 80% of female victims, first rape occurred before age 25; for 42%, before age 18.

[ProfessorGAC]

62. That Is One Interesting Cite

I never would have guessed that. The article says "epidemic". I guess.

[redqueen]

72. No guessing required.

http://www.mommyish.com/2013/10/26/writer-claims-rape-epidemic-doesnt-exist/

[hughee99]

83. The article was very interesting.

I don't think I've ever seen an article go so in-depth on the methodology.

[Egalitarian Thug]

28. So, how many threads gave you started in the last week? n/t

[Atman]

29. The counter re-sets on Monday.

Get ready for a new barrage.

[anti partisan]

30. As long as only a few percent of rapists are successfully prosecuted...

Rape will continue to be a topic requiring a lot of activism. It's ironic how you feel rape threads are weird yet you made a thread showing pictures of Glenn Greenwald speaking at CATO, seemingly with the sole intent to troll.

[seabeyond]

32. i think it is weird, on a progressive board, for so many to have an issue with womens concerns

as they cheer us for our votes, yet want us to take a back seat with issues.

[redqueen]

34. Well sea...

Obviously this isn't an issue that's "germane to the dem side". Just because it's "germane" to humanity in general, well, apparently we better not discuss those kinds of issues! We'd better stick to talking about "actual critical news and issues"!

An epidemic of rape? Well that's simply not a critical issue, sea!

[seabeyond]

35. if we took away all the OPs from men complaining about rape discussion, bet it would be at least

halved, saving them having to see the word rape.

[seabeyond]

36. and ya, another man telling women what we need to discuss with womens issues. then on the other

hand telling us why they make such good feminists and should direct us on our quest, lol.

and there are a lot of mens voice for women i value tons. appreciate, and cheer and thank. do not read anything into this (it is a whole other issue), because each one knows how much i appreciate mans voice.

[redqueen]

39. Those would be the men who don't interpret discussions about rape culture and misogyny

as "attacking DU men", "brow beating", etc.

[seabeyond]

40. yes. it would be those men that can read a womans issue, and not take it personally. nt

[yardwork]

38. Reading about rape after rape in the real world is..... more than weird. /nt

[NuclearDem]

41. Why do you have such a problem with discussing it?

[PasadenaTrudy]

43. I seem to be trashing threads daily....n/t

[mstinamotorcity2]

44. Its a serious issue.

Maybe when we can get people to stop committing sexual assaults we wouldn't have to talk about them. We also need to get stupid repugs to understand that an intra-vaginal probe that is not medically requested by the doctor is a sexual assault with an object. We also need to stop thinking of women as the only ones who are prone to sexual assaults. In other words, the way we look at sexual assaults needs to be more expansive. Narrow mind-ness is for those who troll.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Maybe we should discuss serious issues like recipes and fashion.

[riqster]

46. In a world where rape is far too common, it's not weird at all.

And in a world where all too many people don't want to talk about rape, such threads are essential.

Don't like 'em? Then don't read 'em.

Those of us who understand that it is a foundational issue will continue discussing.

[Sheldon Cooper]

48. Seeing thread after thread about people complaining about rape threads

is actually disgusting.

[PassingFair]

51. +1 nt

[riqster]

66. What you said.

[hrmjustin]

53. I invite you to use the trash function.

[xulamaude]

55. Perhaps he could start with his own. nt

[Texasgal]

57. why?

It's a daily occurrence all over the world. Why would we not talk about it? Why is that weird?

[Gormy Cuss]

60. Seeing DUers haul out old canards about victims deserving it or making it up is even weirder.

Frankly, people who think that way are far to the right of moderate Democrats and I wonder why they are here.

[CrispyQ]

63. It's not weird, it's educational.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024250579

[Vashta Nerada]

68. Not weird.

But there needs to be a forum for those types of threads (I thought there was?). I'm sick of trashing trainwreck threads.

[LanternWaste]

70. Much as seeing many, many threads in regards to surveillance, employment, racism, marijuana...

Much as seeing many, many threads in regards to surveillance, employment, racism, marijuana, politicians, media, and social issues are "weird".

However, I'm quite certain there are those who will rationalize a distinction without a difference.

[Rex]

71. Enjoy your vacation!

nt.

[Capt. Obvious]

75. He's another victim of the alert stalking of feminists

[Rex]

77. Obviously, you are the captain

but where is Tennille?

[Capt. Obvious]

79. She was fed up with the patriarchy

and no longer posts here.

[Rex]

81. Yes but I hear it is a forced leave of absence.

"Taking some time off to be with my family", just doesn't mean what it did.

[pintobean]

82. I like your use of quotes.

[Rex]

84. It is like the Left Behind series of books!

Who will ascend? Who will be Left Be-hinny? ;D