Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:06 PM

RandySF (36,141 posts)

Virginia Gun Owners Not Pleased With ‘No Guns Permitted’ Sign Outside Toby Keith’s New Restaurant

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Country music star Toby Keith is facing some backlash from gun owners after one of his new I Love This Bar And Grill restaurants in Woodbridge, Virginia posted a “No Guns Permitted” sign outside its premises.

“I’ll never eat here. Lawfully armed and spending my money elsewhere,” read one of many disgruntled reviews on the restaurant’s Facebook page.

The furor spurred a response by the restaurant, explaining, “While we understand and respect every person’s right to own and bear arms, we at Toby Keith’s I Love This Bar and Grill, with guidance from the State of Virginia and based on insurance regulations, have adopted a no weapons policy. It is our desire to provided a safe, enjoyable and entertaining experience for our patrons and staff.”

That did little to quell the ire of gun owners, one whom responded to the restaurant’s Facebook message by saying, “Your post regarding your stance on not allowing patrons to defend them selves should the need arise is a total cop out to the bad publicity that your bad policy has initiated.”

But gun owners may actually be legally allowed to carry loaded weapons in Keith’s restaurant under Virginia law, irrespective of what the sign says. Virginia is one of at least six states — the others being Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona — that explicitly allows loaded guns in bars. “No Guns Permitted” signs don’t actually have the force of law in Virginia unless the state specifically lists the facility as one where people cannot carry guns.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/29/3106791/toby-keith-restaurant-guns/

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20 replies	Author	Time	Post
Virginia Gun Owners Not Pleased With ‘No Guns Permitted’ Sign Outside Toby Keith’s New Restaurant (Original post)	RandySF	Dec 2013	OP
Toby Keith??? That's surprising.	calimary	Dec 2013	#1
"...not allowing patrons to defend themselves should the need arise..."	Aristus	Dec 2013	#2
Indeed. A restaurant full of armed chicken-shits, expecting danger at every moment?	arcane1	Dec 2013	#10
His restaurant, his rules.	Ranchemp.	Dec 2013	#3
Why do some gun owners think their lives are in jeopardy wherever they go thus their need for guns?	LonePirate	Dec 2013	#4
In any case, "home of the brave" no longer applies n/t	arcane1	Dec 2013	#11
Fuck them	warrior1	Dec 2013	#5
I use mine to shoot the flies off the salad.	Comrade Grumpy	Dec 2013	#8
And we have our thread winner.	Brigid	Dec 2013	#16
what kind of nutty crackpot restaurant owner wants his customers to be disarmed and vulnerable to	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2013	#6
We need a freedom from gun nuts Amendment. nt	onehandle	Dec 2013	#7
I'm a VA gun owner, and I fucking love the policy!	11 Bravo	Dec 2013	#9
Maybe not, might want to read this first.	Ranchemp.	Dec 2013	#12
I think they ask them to leave if they have a gun.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2013	#17
I believe you're correct.	Ranchemp.	Dec 2013	#19
Toby licenses his name to a restaurant management company	jmowreader	Dec 2013	#13
It's Toby's restaurant	Spirochete	Dec 2013	#14
The objections sound like they come from gun bullies, not "gun owners"	MrScorpio	Dec 2013	#15
If they don't want to eat there, so be it. They can stay	B Calm	Dec 2013	#18
Lock	Sissyk	Dec 2013	#20

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:11 PM

calimary (61,248 posts)

1. Toby Keith??? That's surprising.

Hmmm - I'm surprised. Wouldn't have expected this from him. After the whole Dixie Chicks business a few years back, I'd kinda written him off as hopeless and unsalvage-able. Maybe not... Good to see!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:11 PM

Aristus (53,936 posts)

2. "...not allowing patrons to defend themselves should the need arise..."

Jesus!

Those gun-fuckers are scared of their own shadows...

It's a terrible thing, to live in perpetual fear...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:30 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

10. Indeed. A restaurant full of armed chicken-shits, expecting danger at every moment?

No thanks!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:11 PM

Ranchemp. (1,991 posts)

3. His restaurant, his rules.

Any private business can ban firearms from their premises, as it should be.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:12 PM

LonePirate (11,019 posts)

4. Why do some gun owners think their lives are in jeopardy wherever they go thus their need for guns?

If they are so paranoid, shouldn't they stay at home where they can feel safe? Or maybe they should buy some land in a remote part of the country so they can feel safe in their isolation.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:36 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

11. In any case, "home of the brave" no longer applies n/t

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:13 PM

warrior1 (12,325 posts)

5. Fuck them

What's the goddamn purpose of a gun at a restaurant.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:26 PM

Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)

8. I use mine to shoot the flies off the salad.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:06 PM

Brigid (17,621 posts)

16. And we have our thread winner.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:15 PM

Douglas Carpenter (20,226 posts)

6. what kind of nutty crackpot restaurant owner wants his customers to be disarmed and vulnerable to

attack from terrorist, criminals and wild animals?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:19 PM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

7. We need a freedom from gun nuts Amendment. nt

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:28 PM

11 Bravo (21,136 posts)

9. I'm a VA gun owner, and I fucking love the policy!

I don't go to a restaurant with my family in order to wonder if the sloppy drunk at the next table is going to get pissed off and start blasting away.
(We're not all crazy, you know? Some of us just hunt and put meat on the table, and others enjoy target shooting.)

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:43 PM

Ranchemp. (1,991 posts)

12. Maybe not, might want to read this first.

Additionally, Virginia state law allows bar and restaurant owners to ban weapons from the premises, as long as they prominently display a gun-free sign in the establishment. However, “No Firearm” signs in Virginia do not carry the force of law unless the property is specifically mentioned in state law as off limits to individuals with a permit or license to carry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/27/toby-keith-restaurant-guns_n_4509745.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Seems to be a loophole here, now, what management can do is ask them to leave for another reason and if they refuse, then they can be cited for trespassing.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:13 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (23,705 posts)

17. I think they ask them to leave if they have a gun.

The Can be charged with trespass if they refuse.

They can't be charged with entering with a gun against the posted sign. At worst they can be charged with trespass

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:23 PM

Ranchemp. (1,991 posts)

19. I believe you're correct.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:46 PM

jmowreader (44,344 posts)

13. Toby licenses his name to a restaurant management company

Considerin' Toby is a Democrat, why would those people even considered going in there?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:53 PM

Spirochete (5,264 posts)

14. It's Toby's restaurant

He should get the say on whether guns are allowed in the place -even if they are legal.
Besides, if someone thinks they need defense in a restaurant, they don't really need a gun - a bottle of Pepto-Bismol should suffice...

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:59 PM

MrScorpio (72,857 posts)

15. The objections sound like they come from gun bullies, not "gun owners"

Gun humpers? Gun fetishists? Gun assholes?

All of the above?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:16 PM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

18. If they don't want to eat there, so be it. They can stay

home and watch reruns of Duck Dynasty!

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Mon Dec 30, 2013, 05:07 PM

Sissyk (12,665 posts)

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