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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:33 AM Dec 2013

Exclusive Report: Obama Will Take on the NSA's Surveillance State in 2014

Obama’s Defining Fight: How He Will Take On the NSA’s Surveillance State in 2014
Before he left for Hawaii, the president was sending signals that government surveillance programs need an overhaul to restore the public’s faith on issues of national security.

This is a must-read:

Meeting with the review group, Obama had shown a little more leg [than what he showed in his final press conference of the year]. As he walked briskly into the Situation Room last Wednesday, he characteristically wasted little time on small talk. He said he had five points he wanted to make and, without notes, began ticking them off, according to two people who were in the room. Much of what he had to say involved process--now that the recommendations were on the table, he would have to lead an interagency debate to develop a new set of policies. According to one panel member, Obama said he needed to hear whatever objections there were and "probe them." And he wanted to make sure that those who objected to the recommendations fully understood them.

But he also talked about the substance of the proposals and assessed their viability within the administration. He said he believed the bulk of the 46 recommendations would be acceptable to the intelligence community. He also said that many of the recommendations toward the back end of the panel's report could be easily adopted, including new procedures for establishing secure networks without infringing Internet freedom, and improving vetting and security clearances in hiring. He even mentioned a specific number, amounting to roughly 75 percent of the 46 recommendations, that he thought could be adopted without any problem.

A number of panel members, speaking anonymously, said they had the clear impression that Obama was personally inclined to back their proposals on ending the metadata program, as well as many of the other recommendations that would rein in the NSA's surveillance capabilities. "The question is whether he will be able to resist whatever pushback comes from the intelligence community," said one panel member.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/31/obama-s-defining-fight-how-he-will-take-on-the-nsa-s-surveillance-state-in-2014.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/31/1266232/-Exclusive-Report-Obama-Will-Take-on-the-NSA-s-Surveillance-State-in-2014
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Exclusive Report: Obama Will Take on the NSA's Surveillance State in 2014 (Original Post) kpete Dec 2013 OP
Really? I'll believe that when I see it. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #1
First thing that came to my mind was, fool me once Autumn Dec 2013 #2
That's why he fired Clapper and captain star trek...NOT Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #5
The main job of the CIA appears to be "regime change" solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #10
Actually its worse than that. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #11
Election year coming up. woo me with science Dec 2013 #12
Don't think the deep state will like this much AngryAmish Dec 2013 #3
Yeah, the system can't predict crappo but it has lots of value Pholus Dec 2013 #4
The Deep State is well entreched Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #14
I'm originally for Missouri, so he'll have to "show me". Arkansas Granny Dec 2013 #6
K&R. Will be watching this one... nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #7
He is going to fight very hard jsr Dec 2013 #8
He'll talk about it through election year. nt woo me with science Dec 2013 #9
"... ending the metadata program" bobduca Dec 2013 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #15
and how's that NAFTA overhaul coming along? frylock Dec 2013 #16
and the republicans will attack him as weak on national security....mark my words. spanone Dec 2013 #17
Good on the President.. He's getting a much needed rest with his family Cha Dec 2013 #18
President Obama is a man of the people. FactBasedLifeform Dec 2013 #19

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. That's why he fired Clapper and captain star trek...NOT
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:50 AM
Dec 2013

I believe the NSA and the CIA are too powerful and are
part of the so called breakaway civilization..that they are beyond citizen control.

Just like Obama took care of Wall Street and the Banks?

LOL

Yeah, he talks the talk but to walk the walk he crosses
the powers that are in control.. more crumbs for the masses.

Not gonna happen.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
10. The main job of the CIA appears to be "regime change"
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:54 PM
Dec 2013

what used to be called a Coup d'etat. Regime change is more User Friendly.

These days major news media just throw out the phrase "Regime Change" like it's discussing the latest new teen fad.

And the American People, by tolerating this unaccountable out of control rogue agency, are just as much to blame as the CIA. Looking the other way may have worked for awhile....

The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change&quot without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

2 During the Cold War

2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s
2.22 Philippines 1986

3 Since the end of the Cold War

3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions


What goes around...

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. Actually its worse than that.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:57 PM
Dec 2013

Because that is only what was released through FOIA

And we still have no budget from them.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
4. Yeah, the system can't predict crappo but it has lots of value
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:48 AM
Dec 2013

for digging up dirt. Your application is completely consistent with the
system capabilities.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
14. The Deep State is well entreched
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:27 PM
Dec 2013

Obama will throw out bones and crumbs.
that won't even have any DNA in them. to change anything.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
13. "... ending the metadata program"
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:20 PM
Dec 2013

Yeah just like the Total Information Awareness program was "ended"

Here is your double plus good terminology update:

  • ending - when a black program is revealed it is renamed and the old program is "ended".
  • to surveil - when a human agent checks a checkbox labelled "I have seen this" on information that was already collected, transcribed, analyzed and indexed by machines

Response to kpete (Original post)

spanone

(135,816 posts)
17. and the republicans will attack him as weak on national security....mark my words.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:39 PM
Dec 2013

of course they attack him now for the nsa snooping

Cha

(297,117 posts)
18. Good on the President.. He's getting a much needed rest with his family
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

in Hawai'i for the Holiday Season and when he gets back it will be time to handle what he needs to. Including all the bullshit.

Thanks for the link, kpete

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