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Tue Dec 31, 2013, 06:55 PM

"Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.”

Idolization of the rich.

From the pharaohs of ancient Egypt to the self-regarding thugs of ancient Rome to the glorified warlords of medieval and absolutist Europe, in nearly every urbanized society throughout human history, there have been people who have tried to constitute themselves as an aristocracy. These people and their allies are the conservatives.

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“It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them. Of course this notion sounds bizarre to modern ears, but it is perfectly overt in the writings of leading conservative theorists such as Burke. Democracy, for them, is not about the mechanisms of voting and office-holding. In fact conservatives hold a wide variety of opinions about such secondary formal matters. For conservatives, rather, democracy is a psychological condition. People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are conservatives; democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth. Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.”


http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html

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kpete Dec 2013 OP
Laelth Dec 2013 #1
Laelth Dec 2013 #2
loudsue Dec 2013 #3
Narkos Dec 2013 #4
MisterP Jan 2014 #5

Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:01 PM

1. Excellent essay. Thanks for posting. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

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Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:25 PM

2. Key quote:

Conservatism is almost gone. People no longer worship the pharaohs. If the gentry were among us today we would have no notion of what they were talking about. For thousands of years, countless people have worked for the values of democracy in ways large and small. The industrialized vituperations of conservative propaganda measure their success. To defeat conservatism today, the main thing we have to do is to explain what it is and what is wrong with it. This is easy enough.

* Rebut conservative arguments

This is my most important prescription. Liberals win political victories through rational debate. But after a victory is won, liberals tend to drop the issue and move along. As a result, whole generations have grown up without ever hearing the arguments in favor of, for example, Social Security. Instead they have heard massive numbers of conservative arguments against liberalism, and these arguments have generally gone unrebutted. In order to save civilization, liberals need a new language, one in which it is easy to express rebuttals to the particular crop of conservative arguments of the last few decades. And the way to invent that language is just to start rebutting the arguments, all of them. This means literally dozens of new arguments each day.

Do not assume that rebutting conservative arguments is easy, or that a few phrases will suffice. Do not even assume that you know what is wrong with the conservative arguments that you hear, or even indeed what those arguments are, since they are often complicated and confusing in their internal structure. Do not just repeat a stock response that worked for some previous generation of liberals, because your audience has already heard that response and already knows what the counterargument is. Conservative rhetors have invested tremendous effort in working around liberals' existing language. In the old days, racists were racists and polluters were polluters. But those old labels do not win arguments any more. Liberals must now provide new answers in plain language to the questions that ordinary citizens, having heard the arguments of conservatism, now have. Do environmental regulations work? Why do we protect the civil liberties of terrorists? Are liberals anti-American? What do we need government for anyway?


-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:43 PM

3. This is key: Liberals win political victories through rational debate. But after a victory is won,

liberals tend to drop the issue and move along. As a result, whole generations have grown up without ever hearing the arguments in favor of, for example, Social Security. "

That is because Liberals love peace. They ARE ready to let it go; not to rub anyone's nose in it. Republicans are the opposite. They hate peace. And they can't wait to get together in GROUPS (their true and natural advantage) and rub everyone's nose in every victory.

Republicans are the masters of MOB violence. They love a mob better than Mary loved Jesus.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 08:03 PM

4. Interesting history of the author

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Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:26 AM

5. psssh--like democracy was that big in the 4th m. BC!

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