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JBoy

(8,021 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:38 PM Jan 2014

Harvard-educated lawyer Ted Cruz can't figure out how to renounce Canadian citizenship

U.S. Senator Ted Cruz vowed months ago to renounce his Canadian citizenship by the end of 2013. It's now 2014, and the Calgary-born Republican lawmaker is still a dual citizen.

That's confounding Canadian immigration lawyers. Renouncing Canadian citizenship, they say, is a simple, quick and straightforward process — there's even an online, four-page PDF form on the Government of Canada website to get the ball rolling without the help of lawyers.

"Unless there's a security issue that hasn't been disclosed, unless there's a mental health issue that hasn't been disclosed, there's no reason for anything other than a lickety-split process to occur," Richard Kurland, a Vancouver-based immigration attorney, said in an interview Friday.

Canada's best-known citizenship renouncer, Conrad Black, said in an email Friday that it "doesn't take long" for the revocation process to work.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ted-cruz-still-canadian-as-immigration-lawyers-express-confusion-1.2483367

Whole article is good reading
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Harvard-educated lawyer Ted Cruz can't figure out how to renounce Canadian citizenship (Original Post) JBoy Jan 2014 OP
Ted Cruz couldn't find his ass... louis-t Jan 2014 #1
a flashlight and a seeing eye dog....nt abakan Jan 2014 #30
and very large dil............ davidpdx Jan 2014 #35
I got ya! abakan Jan 2014 #38
I was avoiding what would have been a hidden post for sure davidpdx Jan 2014 #39
Maybe he thinks he has to fill out the form in English and French underpants Jan 2014 #2
That's okay. US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas... KansDem Jan 2014 #3
It could be the "stateless person" issue. Barack_America Jan 2014 #4
That is the obvious problem. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2014 #7
If US immigration grants US citizenship in error... Barack_America Jan 2014 #10
I think Cruz would have to apply for a passport treestar Jan 2014 #12
He just traveled to South Africa for Mandela's funeral. Barack_America Jan 2014 #15
I would think so treestar Jan 2014 #17
Ya know, it's really not a difficult Internet search to rule that out. jeff47 Jan 2014 #13
I don't doubt he's a citizen, but his "proof" certainly doesn't pass the birther test... Barack_America Jan 2014 #19
He doesn't need to prove he is. They have to prove he isn't. jeff47 Jan 2014 #37
You'd think he could pick up the phone and check with some of his elite Ivy study group buddies. tanyev Jan 2014 #5
What in God's name has happened to Harvard that they would give a passing grade to this idiot? Of jwirr Jan 2014 #6
"unless there's a mental health issue"... maybe that's the hangup. panader0 Jan 2014 #8
Sure, but "Batshit crazy" isn't recognized MyNameGoesHere Jan 2014 #26
It's in the DSM-5 - Bat Shit Crazy erronis Jan 2014 #33
You'd think Canada would grant an exception gwheezie Jan 2014 #9
Maybe next time he pulls a phony 'filibuster'... Blanks Jan 2014 #11
Just when I thought I was out... Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #14
Damn, a ten second google search nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #16
And it really doesn't look like they are asking for much. Barack_America Jan 2014 #22
The Canadian lawyer had it right nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #25
Aha! They obviously are denying his request due to mental illness! herding cats Jan 2014 #18
That's my senator for ya Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #20
Once again, we must ask you to please re-submit your application in proper form, Mr. Cruz... pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #21
It was all talk. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #23
He will still have a Canada BIRTH CERTIFICATE, since that is where is was BORN :) Tx4obama Jan 2014 #24
I think I have found the problem. pangaia Jan 2014 #27
I think he wants to let it all sort itself out... dchill Jan 2014 #28
simple reason evilhime Jan 2014 #29
He needs it for his spine reconstruction surgery and brain implant davidpdx Jan 2014 #34
He doesn't want to just fill out the paper MurrayDelph Jan 2014 #31
This may be the most plausible explanation. JBoy Jan 2014 #36
Juanita Jean has a theory as to why Cruz still has his Canadian Citizenship Gothmog Jan 2014 #32

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
39. I was avoiding what would have been a hidden post for sure
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jan 2014

had I finished spelling it.

BTW welcome to DU

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. That's okay. US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

...couldn't figure out how to fill out a simple disclosure form.

Initially, the liberal watchdog group Common Cause estimated that Virginia Thomas had made about $700,000 in the years her husband was claiming she made nothing. But the group has recently come up with new figures showing Virginia Thomas actually earned around $1.6 million—more than twice as much as the original estimate. That's a decent chunk of change the Thomas family was earning from a party with an interest in what could be one of the court's biggest cases in years.

Thomas has amended his disclosure forms to correct the omissions and has claimed that he misunderstood how to fill out the forms. But Common Cause noticed that Thomas had actually filled the forms out properly for many years before he suddenly stopped recording his wife's employers. "There is now more than enough evidence to merit a formal inquiry as to whether Justice Thomas willfully failed to make legally required disclosures, perhaps for as long as 13 years," Common Cause president Bob Edgar said in a statement. "Given that we now know he correctly completed the reports in prior years, it's hardly plausible—indeed it's close to unbelievable—that Justice Thomas did not understand the instructions."


Mother Jones

check out the chart!




Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
4. It could be the "stateless person" issue.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jan 2014

When Cruz was born, there were certain requirements of the US citizen parent to be able to pass on citizenship to a child not born on American soil, if only one of the parents was a US citizen. Perhaps, for one reason or another, his mother has been unable to provide the required documents.

According to Canada's immigration laws, they aren't able to remove Canadian citizenship without first ensuring the person is a legal citizen of another country.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
10. If US immigration grants US citizenship in error...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

...what do they do when the error is revealed?

I mean, if all of Cruz's mothers required documentation had been furnished at the time Cruz applied for a SS card and whatnot, there would be a record of that, right? A record that could be pretty easily presented to Canadian authorities, no? So what's the problem here? Did she never provide that documentation (meaning Cruz was granted citizenship erroneously)? Or did US immigration and the family both lose it?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. I think Cruz would have to apply for a passport
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jan 2014

If he has one, then he and Mom proved it up. If he doesn't, right, he should make sure he can establish that he is a U.S. citizen first.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
15. He just traveled to South Africa for Mandela's funeral.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

I presume this travel required a passport. I've read he received a passport while he was in high school.

That should be sufficient for the Canadian officials, right? So what's the delay in Cruz submitting the paperwork? Baffling.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. I would think so
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe Cruz wants to make it look like it's hard so he can prove how Amurkan he really is.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. Ya know, it's really not a difficult Internet search to rule that out.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jan 2014

You could start with, say, the Ted Cruz wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

It has links to all sorts of information. Such as footnote #10:

^ Jump up to: a b c Ferguson, John Wayne (August 13, 2012). "Texplainer: Could Canadian-Born Ted Cruz Be President?". Texas Tribune. Retrieved August 17, 2013. "Bottom line: Despite being born in Canada, Cruz can be considered a natural-born U.S. citizen because his mother was also a U.S. citizen who lived in the United States long enough for him to qualify, according to constitutional experts."

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
19. I don't doubt he's a citizen, but his "proof" certainly doesn't pass the birther test...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:16 PM
Jan 2014

...Particularly if someone raises it as a primary issue against him? I'm just curious why he's stalling with renouncing, that's all.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
37. He doesn't need to prove he is. They have to prove he isn't.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

And it really doesn't matter just what crazy ideas they have. Courts will throw their suits out, and then fine them. Just like Taitz.

tanyev

(42,360 posts)
5. You'd think he could pick up the phone and check with some of his elite Ivy study group buddies.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jan 2014

They probably won't take his phone calls.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
6. What in God's name has happened to Harvard that they would give a passing grade to this idiot? Of
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jan 2014

course didn't they one time educate the preachers of Salem? And of course they had something to do with educating W.

erronis

(14,952 posts)
33. It's in the DSM-5 - Bat Shit Crazy
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

Along with all the other shit that parodies as real maladies in psych...

Bat Fecal psychoses:
Manifestations of erratic behavior and thought especially when combined with limited intelligence. This has been observed in animals caged under a belfry or in certain primates with low IQ and conservative tendencies.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
9. You'd think Canada would grant an exception
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jan 2014

and quickly allow him to renounce his citizenship by yelling beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
11. Maybe next time he pulls a phony 'filibuster'...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jan 2014

Someone can remind him that he has some paperwork to fill out.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
22. And it really doesn't look like they are asking for much.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jan 2014

For the most part, it seems like all he would have to do is fill out a few pages of forms and send a photocopy of his birth certificate and his passport along with some cash. Why he is dragging his feet on this and allowing it to pop up again and again in the news is beyond me.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. The Canadian lawyer had it right
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jan 2014

his followers will NOT do that simple google search. It confirms that Canada sucks. Like all things Canadian, like oh socialized medicine, they make it IMPOSSIBLE I tell you to give up their damn citizenship. I am sure taxes are somewhere in there.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
18. Aha! They obviously are denying his request due to mental illness!
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jan 2014

It's all right there if you just read between the lines. After seeing his performance as a US Republican Senator they realized there is no way he could be sane. In other news; all Canadian/United States Dual citizens who reside in Texas will now be subject to mental screening before they are allowed to renounce their Canadian citizenship.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. Once again, we must ask you to please re-submit your application in proper form, Mr. Cruz...
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jan 2014

"Refudiate" is not a word we can accept, eh?

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
23. It was all talk.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jan 2014

He doesn't really want to give it up.

Or, maybe he is so damn stupid he can't figure it out. If that's the case, Harvard lets a lot of people pass on "Gentleman's C's".

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. I think I have found the problem.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jan 2014

".....................unless there's a mental health issue that hasn't been disclosed, there's no reason for anything other than a lickety-split process to occur,"

evilhime

(326 posts)
29. simple reason
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jan 2014

He doesn't want to give up single payer healthcare . In case he needs it he doesn't want to rely on US insurance companies...

MurrayDelph

(5,281 posts)
31. He doesn't want to just fill out the paper
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:43 PM
Jan 2014

He wants to find the most melodramatic time and place to do it.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
36. This may be the most plausible explanation.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jan 2014

Why do it simply when there might be a way to get mileage from it.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
32. Juanita Jean has a theory as to why Cruz still has his Canadian Citizenship
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.juanitajean.com/2014/01/03/well-duh-2/

Ted Cruz still has duel citizenship. Someone is wondering why.

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz vowed months ago to renounce his Canadian citizenship by the end of 2013, but the Calgary-born Republican is still a dual citizen.

Cruz, 43, recently said in an interview with the Dallas Morning News that lawyers are preparing the paperwork to renounce citizenship, just as he said in August.

Richard Kurland, a Vancouver-based immigration attorney, wonders what’s taking so long. Kurland said Friday that unless there’s a security or mental health issue that hasn’t been disclosed, renouncing citizenship is a simple, quick process.

Well, there ya go.



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