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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:11 AM Jan 2014

Melissa Harris-Perry in tears. Eloquent, heartfelt, humble. This is a human being. Edit w/video.

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:11 PM - Edit history (1)

She just opened with an apology for bringing Mitt Romney's lovely grandchild into what she called (and I think honestly) an off-the-cuff commentary about the funnier moments in politics this past year. But she admitted that she crossed a line that should not be crossed in letting that photo be used. To have the grace to be embarrassed about something SHE believes is wrong and to let yourself be vulnerable is the essence of extending an open hand and trying to right wrongs. People can choose to believe her or not. But what everyone makes of it says more about them than anything else. Can you (in general) lay down the sword or will you simply continue to believe that everything is cynical, that no one makes a mistake and can ask and receive a gracious allowance?



I think she'll be fine. And I admire her tremendously. We need people who can recover, and people who can realize that good people make mistakes.

Edited because I found the video. And I support her even more on rewatch.

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Melissa Harris-Perry in tears. Eloquent, heartfelt, humble. This is a human being. Edit w/video. (Original Post) nolabear Jan 2014 OP
I hope she reads DU. Your words would comfort her. lamp_shade Jan 2014 #1
I agree Gothmog Jan 2014 #2
I agree that the apology should suffice... hlthe2b Jan 2014 #3
It would be the right thing for rommey to do--to forgive. riversedge Jan 2014 #6
He's a sociopath, whatever he does Sunday. pangaia Jan 2014 #16
Think THAT'S bad? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #64
Perhaps, but perhaps not. I think she is a much tougher target than Bashir. nolabear Jan 2014 #10
The Gandhi/King approach--I like it. lastlib Jan 2014 #21
I like her but I'm having a hard time trying to figure out... Little Star Jan 2014 #4
Now this? Alittleliberal Jan 2014 #5
She apologized so there was something wrong, no?... Little Star Jan 2014 #9
She apologized to keep her job. The only reason it's a story is because of Fox News. Dawgs Jan 2014 #22
I'm with you on that one. nt MADem Jan 2014 #32
Sounds as if you believe she actually doesn't care. Is that true? nolabear Jan 2014 #46
I agree, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #47
There you go again, 'unlike many here, she truly has class' Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #86
Awwww, did I hurt you feelings? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #88
No, I will respond to your comments. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #90
Have fun, I just won't respond to yours. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #91
Actually you don't respond now. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #94
No. I think she cares and I think she's dumb for caring. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #52
Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that. nolabear Jan 2014 #54
I tried to respond but couldn't come up Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #56
Agree LukeFL Jan 2014 #65
How did she treat Joan Walsh? senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #18
Joan referred to Melissa as a friend and... Little Star Jan 2014 #29
Her and Ms Walsh are mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #119
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #63
Wow! ceeRoy Jan 2014 #7
Yes, but as I said there's a difference between recognizing a wrong and submitting. nolabear Jan 2014 #11
Going after someone's adopted minor child and commenting IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #51
+1000. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #53
Was this before the Nadir segment? BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #8
Short opener. It'll pop up somewhere soon I'm sure. nolabear Jan 2014 #12
Thanks. I'll look for it. nt BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #15
Well one of the downsides of being a democrat MyNameGoesHere Jan 2014 #13
Apologize only if and when you feel you must, the RW never does, heaven05 Jan 2014 #19
Nurse Ratched warrprayer Jan 2014 #14
I have no doubt that she was sincere, and I also think that Bashir senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #17
CNN: 'We see it on both sides, the left and the right. They are the same.' Dawgs Jan 2014 #20
Which is why there are idiots out there who claim "It's always been this way and always will be.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #59
This was a non-issue. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #23
Melissa Harris Perry liberal from boston Jan 2014 #25
And yet, Phil Robertson insults gays, women, and African Americans, and he doesn't have to apologize Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #26
almighty dollar Hamlette Jan 2014 #33
No apology AND he gets free advertisement for that shit show of his. MADem Jan 2014 #34
Can't even compare yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #36
I'm not comparing the networks. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #39
Yep!! ceeRoy Jan 2014 #71
It does me too yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #83
Did you see it? I don't think anyone made her cry. I think she felt bad about what happened. nolabear Jan 2014 #40
I would never apologize. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #43
I would apologize. I'd keep the little boy in mind. nolabear Jan 2014 #48
Because she has alot more class than Phil. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #49
Was she "forced" to apologize? Shrek Jan 2014 #69
She is the one who made the decision to use the photo. Jenoch Jan 2014 #82
At this point America basically have one sided media (corporate) Iliyah Jan 2014 #24
One sided media is right! asjr Jan 2014 #28
Let's just say skepticscott Jan 2014 #27
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. nolabear Jan 2014 #41
Well, to me "carefully done" skepticscott Jan 2014 #74
The only thing she did wrong was allow the segment with the picture to be used Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #30
Fuck the Romneys and their sycophants. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #31
Why? yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #37
Their silence is letting this snowball. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #62
Ahh, so this is their fault? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #66
How many times do we have to throw people under the bus because some rich asshole took offense? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #67
I'm not a rich asshole and I took offense Redford Jan 2014 #87
You mean the offense of saying something that was never said? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #109
Wait a second.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #92
By "they" I mean the assholes on the Right who look for ANY opportunity to attack. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #108
Defend those republicans. Of course the poor Romneys have Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #76
You're funny. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #89
Why? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #44
They let their attack dogs do their talking for them. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #60
I tuned in late at 2 minutes past the hour to a commercial Lifelong Dem Jan 2014 #35
Thanks. I eventually found it too. And I agree. nolabear Jan 2014 #57
"good people make mistakes" Aerows Jan 2014 #38
As does the ability to graciously accept an apology. nolabear Jan 2014 #42
+1000. eom. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #45
Don't know what to say except Aerows Jan 2014 #61
When the apology is voluntary and sincere, yes skepticscott Jan 2014 #75
So, what would convince you? What could she have done? nolabear Jan 2014 #78
Apologized as soon as it happened skepticscott Jan 2014 #80
Okay, and I'll assume the tweet wasn't adequate. nolabear Jan 2014 #103
Which is basically the point I made originally skepticscott Jan 2014 #107
So if I have a job and do something my boss doesn't approve of I can't be sorry for other reasons? nolabear Jan 2014 #114
OP edited to include the video. nolabear Jan 2014 #50
Thanks nolabear. The addition of the video makes me appreciate the moment more. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #58
THAT WAS AWESOME. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #55
I Guess Our Nightmare is Over Now civillawyer Jan 2014 #68
But given that this IS the climate, it's the high road. nolabear Jan 2014 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #70
I wish she'd stop apologizing. Why wasn't once enough? Baggers are very wrong for catbyte Jan 2014 #73
I am more of a fan than ever now. Squinch Jan 2014 #77
Did Beck apologize when he mimicked one of Obama's daughters? Where was the right wing outrage? RBInMaine Jan 2014 #79
And not being that is a recommendation. nolabear Jan 2014 #106
There should have been an apology here. I'm just pointing out the typical right wing hypocrisy. RBInMaine Jan 2014 #115
I'm sorry, but her apology made me puke radiclib Jan 2014 #81
+1 Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #84
It's apparently personal to her ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #93
+1000. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #95
I'm personally not.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #96
My respect for her went up a notch Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #101
Compassion? For who? radiclib Jan 2014 #117
What's to feel bad about? radiclib Jan 2014 #97
They ginned up outrage is phony, but you can't say that outright.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #98
I'm sorry if I sound dense, but radiclib Jan 2014 #99
Gotten away with avoiding ginned up outrage ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #100
Exactly. That and her own thoughts about who she is. nolabear Jan 2014 #105
Yes, the multiple and overblown apologies were too much. They should have expressed regret for any RBInMaine Jan 2014 #116
+100000000 n/t mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #120
I still have no idea why she is apologizing. She didn't say anything wrong. stevenleser Jan 2014 #85
I think the same. Cleita Jan 2014 #104
+1000. The headlines were very misleading... ecstatic Jan 2014 #122
It's media aristocles Jan 2014 #102
I've done that.. through either a mistake or Cha Jan 2014 #110
Her "guests" should be ashamed marshall Jan 2014 #111
I think it was pretty clear what was expected from the guests goldent Jan 2014 #113
Perhaps naively, I take her at her word marshall Jan 2014 #121
Did Alec Baldwin civillawyer Jan 2014 #112
Well I am glad to see Melissa hasn't lost her job. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #118

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
3. I agree that the apology should suffice...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jan 2014

But, while I don't compare what Bashir said re: Palin, to that of MPH, his, too was a sincere and well delivered apology.

Given Romney is scheduled for an "opportune" Faux interview, the very unfortunate and irritating fact for Dem/Progressives, is that we let the RW decide when or if our own get to continue. If he has even a modicum of decency, he'll acknowledge her sincerity, but if he leaves it open to interpretation, the RW will not stop and she'll be gone.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. He's a sociopath, whatever he does Sunday.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jan 2014

That's the difference between MHP and .....jeez, .who ever names their kid Mitt.?

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
10. Perhaps, but perhaps not. I think she is a much tougher target than Bashir.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

He played on the field of outrage, and he was its victim. She is far more careful, intelligent and balanced. If she continues on her course, and frankly if I were her and they continued to attack I'd lean way in and make it a careful, measured, interested topic for a discussion they can't actually have unless they beat those swords into some kind of plowshares. Enough patience and smarts will do a lot for those who are influenceable.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
21. The Gandhi/King approach--I like it.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

This was none of the "I'm sorry if you were offended.." BS apology. This was a genuine apology for doing something wrong--real contrition. RWers seem never to have experienced it. If they can't put down the blades now, they come off as the losers they are.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
4. I like her but I'm having a hard time trying to figure out...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jan 2014

if she's all that nice of a person or not.

The way she treated Joan Walsh left a bad taste in my mouth and now this. But I will try to keep an open mind because I think she is a great democrat and I do like her show.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
9. She apologized so there was something wrong, no?...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

She admitted that she crossed a line that should not be crossed in letting that Romney family photo be used, etc.

That is the 'this' I was referring to. So what are you talking about?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
22. She apologized to keep her job. The only reason it's a story is because of Fox News.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jan 2014

The left is weaker when we're pressured into apologizing because of fake outrage on the right.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
46. Sounds as if you believe she actually doesn't care. Is that true?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

Neither of us knows her, of course, but I think she felt bad about it. I would have, whether I thought there was faux outrage or not.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
47. I agree,
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jan 2014

after watching her apology, I truly believe that she felt bad about what her guests said and her joining the laughter, and, showing that photo.
Unlike many here, she truly has class and hopefully, this issue will disappear.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
88. Awwww, did I hurt you feelings?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jan 2014

If you have a problem with my comment, there's always the alert button.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
56. I tried to respond but couldn't come up
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jan 2014

with anything to describe the stupidity of that comment and not get hidden.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
29. Joan referred to Melissa as a friend and...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jan 2014

Melissa basically said they are not friends.

Here's what Joan said on Sunday, Sep 25, 2011:
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/26/white_liberals_obama/

Here's Melissa's reply on September 26, 2011:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/163629/epistemology-race-talk

In my opinion Melissa could have handled the 'not my friend' part better. I thought it was very mean spirited and it turned me off.

It just made me think Melissa wasn't very nice and my sympathy went to Joan on that one. But as I've said I still like Melissa even though the whole Romney family photo thing gives me more pause as to just how nice she really is. I'm still trying to be open minded.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
119. Her and Ms Walsh are
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jan 2014

not friends they are co-workers. Just because you are pleasant to someone you work with doesn't make you friends.

Response to Little Star (Reply #4)

 

ceeRoy

(69 posts)
7. Wow!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

i don't understand what the controversy was about. how is it those on the right even on faux news say mocking things towards any public personality on the the left and they are not pressured to apologize....i hear laura ingram and many on the right mock and say some of the most insulting things over their programs and nothing happens to them...??...i don't understand it...and when someone on the left even slips up with a harmless comment..imo..we turn and cower out apologies. i guess the right determine whether we eat or not or hold our jobs....sad!!

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
11. Yes, but as I said there's a difference between recognizing a wrong and submitting.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jan 2014

The Laura Ingram standard is a low, low, low one. I understand the fear that if we are reasonable and they are not they will simply run over us. But there's a huge middle ground between submitting to them and becoming them. She's strong, smart, and maturely shows that a person who has done a lot of good can also do something that is ill considered, can cop to it, and hopefully can recover and go on. If we can't learn from that we are doomed.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
51. Going after someone's adopted minor child and commenting
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jan 2014

"one of these things doesn't belong" (not sure I am paraphrasing) because of skin color was inappropriate.

Apologizing was appropriate. The comment, regardless of party affiliations, was not.

The conversation needs to move on and there are a lot of places it can go: raising awareness about racism and adoption issues would be a good place to start.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
13. Well one of the downsides of being a democrat
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jan 2014

is always having to apologize. It's that enabling the right that some just can't shake. Well some of us. Apologize? Hell no, never, and not even 20 minutes after I die.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. Apologize only if and when you feel you must, the RW never does,
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jan 2014

otherwise, I'm with you, hell no!!!!!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
59. Which is why there are idiots out there who claim "It's always been this way and always will be....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

....so give up."

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
23. This was a non-issue.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

She didn't need to apologize. She didn't say anything negative about Rmoney's grandchild. It was her guests. And they made her cry on national tv? Horrible.

25. Melissa Harris Perry
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jan 2014

Excellent Comment Vashta!! Totally agree- Melissa has nothing to apologize for. The false equivalency promoted by CNN editorial is disgraceful. The whole segment needs to be watched to get a true perspective. 4 photos of President Obama & Michelle shown before the Romney photo & the panelists made joking comments about the POTUS. This is deliberately being exploited by Fox & CNN. MSNBC should ignore this.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
26. And yet, Phil Robertson insults gays, women, and African Americans, and he doesn't have to apologize
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014


Pisses me off.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
33. almighty dollar
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

Phil has good ratings. Bashir did not. We'll know MHP's ratings by whether she gets the can.

Olbermann had good ratings but I'm not sure he got fired for something he said on the air. I thought it had to do with what a jerk he was to work with.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. No apology AND he gets free advertisement for that shit show of his.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jan 2014

Thank you for pointing that out.

This is a right wing tempest in a teapot. "Oooooh, the black women and the comedian made a COMMENT about the rich white guy's family!!!! Why, THIS. SHALL. NOT. STAND!!!!!!"

It's horse shit. And I still feel sorry for that little kid to whom his parents gave the Irish name for "The Dark One." Talk about being singled out! He got it from jump! At HOME....

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
36. Can't even compare
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jan 2014

Phil was on A&E. MSNBC runs their network the way they want. Had Phil been on MSNBC, he may have been fired. You cannot compare different networks.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
39. I'm not comparing the networks.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

I'm comparing the instances. MHP had to apologize for nothing and Phil Robertson gets to keep his job and got free advertisement for insulting most of the population.

When someone on the left "insults" someone on the right, they have to apologize right away for it (or get fired). Yet, when someone on the right insults a huge segment of the population or people on the left, they get a free pass and everyone screams "First Amendment rights!!!11111" if they get fired/suspended.

That's what pisses me off.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
83. It does me too
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jan 2014

I don't know why I went on the different network tangent instead of expressing myself as well as you did. Someday I will be as eloquent as some of you folks.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
40. Did you see it? I don't think anyone made her cry. I think she felt bad about what happened.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jan 2014

She might also have felt bad about the diatribes thrown her way, but my sense - and I'll admit it's my sense - is that she sees herself as a compassionate and progressive person who would not bring an innocent child into the Right-Left wars, and set up a segment that did. Her willingness to apologize for creating a situation where that happened is, imo, kind, compassionate and mature. She commented that we can always learn. And, until we are so cruel to one another that we can no longer bear to be together, we can. And when we can't, we all lose.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
43. I would never apologize.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jan 2014

If assholes like Phil Robertson gets to run around, insult gays, African Americans, and women, and doesn't have to apologize, and keeps his show, why the hell should MHP be forced to apologize over nothing she did?

Yes, it's mature to apologize when you're wrong, but MHP wasn't in the wrong.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
48. I would apologize. I'd keep the little boy in mind.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jan 2014

Either he can be an object for a whole lot of screaming invective or he can be the object of one remark that was acknowledged as insensitive and potentially hurtful. He's going to face a life full of various kinds of objectification, and saying that she did not support that kind of thing is, I think, a kindness toward him and all families who face that long road.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
82. She is the one who made the decision to use the photo.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jan 2014

That showed poor judgement by her and her staff.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
24. At this point America basically have one sided media (corporate)
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jan 2014

and this is not FREEDOM. RWers are totally insane, but hopefully things will change 2014.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
28. One sided media is right!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jan 2014

MSNBC needs to get its act together. It has been wishy-washy for years. They should never have been allowed to get rid of Keith Olbermann and Martin Bashir. I can't remember anyone being shoved off on CNN.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
27. Let's just say
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jan 2014

that virtually nothing happens in the national political arena any more that isn't carefully scripted, vetted and staged. Spontaneity and sincerity are pretty much extinct.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
41. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think the emotion or sincerity was fake, but I do agree that this was carefully done and with the approval of the powers that be on MSNBC. But that's the nature of the beast. I'm glad this beast leans toward showing compassion for a child.

Packerowner740

(676 posts)
30. The only thing she did wrong was allow the segment with the picture to be used
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jan 2014

She said nothing wrong. Does she write the show or is it someone else?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
37. Why?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jan 2014

The Romney's have not said a single word through the entire situation. I don't understand why you are so angry.

Redford

(373 posts)
87. I'm not a rich asshole and I took offense
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jan 2014

This is basic human decency. What they did to that poor kid was inexcusable no matter who his adopted grandparents were. It was gross and inappropriate.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
92. Wait a second....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jan 2014

You're saying they "took offense", but before you said their silence had allowed it to snowball.

Be consistent, at least.

Kingofalldems

(38,451 posts)
76. Defend those republicans. Of course the poor Romneys have
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jan 2014

never said anything offensive about Americans who work for a living. You know, the 'you people' type quotes from Queen Ann Romney. Are you ever outraged by anything republicans do?

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
35. I tuned in late at 2 minutes past the hour to a commercial
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jan 2014

and I was like what the...? Then I saw on DU she had a tearful apology. I missed the live apology, but a video is out now. I think anyone who comes down on her now better watch out.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-breaks-down-on-air-while-addressing-kieran-romney-controversy/

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
57. Thanks. I eventually found it too. And I agree.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jan 2014

There are already any people snarking about it, but that says nothing about her, just shows the filter they see through. And it's obvious, unless you're determined to only see through that filter too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. "good people make mistakes"
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014

Excellent observation, nolabear. None of us are perfect, and rising to the occasion when we make mistakes defines us.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
42. As does the ability to graciously accept an apology.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

Hope that happens. Having done some dumb things in my life, I am really, really grateful for those who loved me anyway.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
75. When the apology is voluntary and sincere, yes
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jan 2014

When it's forced, scripted and staged for maximum benefit, as in this case, not so much.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
80. Apologized as soon as it happened
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jan 2014

Right then and there, without asking for permission or approval or vetting from her corporate media masters, and without having her apology carefully prepared before delivery. She knew it was wrong then just as well as she does now.

Or would that have taken too much courage?

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
103. Okay, and I'll assume the tweet wasn't adequate.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jan 2014

And I'm not find of the twitter apology myself. But my thought is that her contract with MSNBC might have tight controls over what she can say in matters concerning the show. I would absolutely believe they'd go for whatever would generate publicity. Her? I have no idea. But watching her for the last few years I think she's remorseful.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
107. Which is basically the point I made originally
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jan 2014

Any apology made under the auspices of the corporate media isn't a likely candidate for genuine sincerity, truth or realism.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
114. So if I have a job and do something my boss doesn't approve of I can't be sorry for other reasons?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not sure why I'm keeping this up, except for the eternal need to be understood, and probably agreed with. It's now Sunday morning and the usual stuff has happened and she seems to be going on with her job.

 

civillawyer

(55 posts)
68. I Guess Our Nightmare is Over Now
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

And we can move forward. Sheesh. Is this going to be the year of being offended? Everyone should thicken up their skin, and MHP had no business issuing this.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
72. But given that this IS the climate, it's the high road.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

I can say all day that people should have thick skins but in my world it's like saying you should take an antidepressant and do nothing but perpetuate a bad life. There's no actual benefit to attack-attack-attack until the earth is scorched and no one has a good life. It's a real art not to attack back, not because you are a victim but because you are trying to honestly communicate and have firm ground on which to stand. I hope MSNBC provides some of that, but if not my hope wod be that she finds a better venue. We'll all see, I suppose.

Response to nolabear (Original post)

catbyte

(34,373 posts)
73. I wish she'd stop apologizing. Why wasn't once enough? Baggers are very wrong for
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jan 2014

NEVER apologizing for the despicable things they say, but we tend to apologize too much. It's time to move on.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
79. Did Beck apologize when he mimicked one of Obama's daughters? Where was the right wing outrage?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jan 2014

Remember that one? When Glenn Beck mimicked one of the Prez's daughters at the time of the oil disaster in the Gulf?

Where was the right wing outrage? Right wingers are ROTTEN HYPOCRITES.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
81. I'm sorry, but her apology made me puke
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jan 2014

Tears? Really? For what? I saw the segment in question, and she said nothing disparaging about the child, and neither did anyone else on the panel. Someone made a tepid crack about the picture being representative of the Republican party, but that was it. In fact, MHP called the child "gorgeous".
So this is the kind of thing liberals have to be defensive about, I suppose. I also suppose there's an equivalency with this to Limbaugh calling Chelsea Clinton "the family dog". Well, not it the world I care to live in.
Once again, we look weak and timid. This apology was completely uncalled for, and utterly ridiculous.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
93. It's apparently personal to her
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jan 2014

I don't like the fact that liberals are constantly badgered into this shit while right-wingers never apologize for anything, but I also understand that she has a bi-racial family, and therefore she might legit feel bad about this particular issue.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
95. +1000.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jan 2014

I think you nailed it.
I like to think we're more compassionate about issues as compared to the RW.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
96. I'm personally not....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jan 2014

Fuck the right-wingers and their faux outrage/free speech hypocrisy.

MHP made her choice, and she has my respect.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
101. My respect for her went up a notch
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jan 2014

because of her compassion and I hope (snicker) that Romney has the class to accept it and drop it.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
117. Compassion? For who?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014

For the child she didn't trash, but in fact called "gorgeous"? For the poor, put-upon Romney family? Please.
It looks to me like good old-fashioned liberal guilt. Where has that ever gotten us?
If it makes her feel better for some cosmic reason, then good for her. I just don't get it.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
97. What's to feel bad about?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe she has personal reasons for regretting it, but I'm pretty sure they have nothing to do with the attacks on her, which are nothing but phony, ginned-up outrage. I still don't get it.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
98. They ginned up outrage is phony, but you can't say that outright....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jan 2014

....when many subjects on one's show revolve around pointing out the insensitive nature of people on the right....

Liberals generally get hemmed in to that bullshit about "Oh, aren't you supposed to be TOLERANT???"

Ed Schultz or Al Sharpton or Joy Behar might have "gotten away" with it.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
105. Exactly. That and her own thoughts about who she is.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

It can be really disturbing to realize we all can do things we'd rather think we would never do. But we can, and I think she was upset about the whole thing.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
116. Yes, the multiple and overblown apologies were too much. They should have expressed regret for any
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jan 2014

unintended comments and probably for showing the photo in the first place, but after one straight apology, that was enough.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
85. I still have no idea why she is apologizing. She didn't say anything wrong.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

This is one of the weirdest, most screwed up things I have ever seen happen to a Liberal pundit.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
104. I think the same.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think she did anything wrong except I guess you don't reach out to someone as an equal who scorns you. Her mistake was thinking because her maternal family are white Mormons that she dared to consider to make a joke of it. They definitely think she's not an equal. Rich sociopaths is all they are. I feel sorry for that African American
grandchild being raised in that family in spite of all the wealth and privilege.

ecstatic

(32,682 posts)
122. +1000. The headlines were very misleading...
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jan 2014

When I finally saw the actual clip, I thought to myself, "there's no there there." COMPLETELY overblown, likely by people who never took the time to watch the clip.

Cha

(297,149 posts)
110. I've done that.. through either a mistake or
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jan 2014

not thinking something through enough.

Even though it wasn't her who said anything.. it was still her show and I know in retrospect she wishes she never would have allowed that picture on her show.

Ol lyin' mittload will be on fox scruz tomorrow to whatever about it.. so we'll see if he accepts MHP's real apology.

She obviously could teach a lot of people about what an apology should be. Melissa's emotion was contagious when talking about trans-racial adoptions.. bless her heart!

Thanks nolabear~

marshall

(6,665 posts)
111. Her "guests" should be ashamed
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jan 2014

I hope they have apologized profusely to her for high jacking what she meant to be a positive expression of trans racial adoption. She must have felt horrified when she realized her guest comedians were taking the opportunity to mock race in that context. But what could she do but continue on and just hope they would shut up.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
113. I think it was pretty clear what was expected from the guests
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:12 AM
Jan 2014

when she asked for a "caption" for the picture. And I doubt that the jokes her guest made were spontaneous - they would have seen the photo in advance and had some time to think of some funny lines.

In hindsight, what she did was very stupid, but often people get these ideas and think it is going to be really funny, and just can't help themselves.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
121. Perhaps naively, I take her at her word
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:25 AM
Jan 2014

She says her intent was to say "laudatory" things, and because she introduced the photo as a "baby picture" the discussion naturally centered on the baby. She seemed genuinely concerned when her guests turned the tables, and quickly segued to a comment about unity. Whether the sequence was planned or spontaneous, she seemed to lack control of her panel.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
118. Well I am glad to see Melissa hasn't lost her job.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jan 2014

and I understand where she is coming from. But Mitt the Snit is not fooling me or anyone else. His son may have adopted a Black child but its not for love. Yes I question his loyalty and that of his sons. I watched all of them through the election and this child will be nothing more than a prop. This will be the defining moment of " You see I couldn't be a racist because I have a black Grand child." Or that same son is going to try and do what his Dad did and run for office. But be sure little Black child will be front and center. You will have those who will say he doesn't feel that way. And I say you don't know Mitt the Snit like we do. He is a Liar. He showed us that during the election. He said under the cuff remarks about the President, that had insinuations to our Presidents background. Which means people of color are not on his radar. When the lights came on at his so called victory celebration they noticed that the crowd was all white. Because the Monitor showed people of every ethnic culture at the arena where President Obama was. And Yes it was noticeable.
My mother and aunts were domestic help in Bloomfield Hills, MI during Mitt the Snit's younger days. He was known for being a spoiled Shithead. Who was teased by other students about his Dad. His Dad was considered by racist whites as the N-word lover. He never liked Black people. So I don't believe in the Snits sudden love for a Black Grand child that was not born to his own children. Did you notice who was holding the child???? I rest my photo op case.

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