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zappaman

(20,606 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:21 PM Jan 2014

No, Fukushima is not killing off massive quantities of sea life near California

Deep Sea News, a blog written largely by professional ocean scientists, has been doing a really good job of debunking bogus stories about Fukushima radiation affecting ocean wildlife near North America. And there are a lot to choose from. It's damn near a genre, at this point — a genre that's full of misleading information and flat-out fabrications. For instance, the latest story to circulate on social media is all about how Fukushima radiation is causing massive die-offs of sea life off the coast of California.

But this claim falls apart pretty quickly. At Deep Sea News, Craig McClain, Assistant Director of Science for the National Evolutionary Synthesis Center, found that, perhaps unsurprisingly, the real science behind this story has nothing to do with radiation or Fukushima. Instead, writers at Natural News apparently took a scientific journal article about climate and food cycles in the deep ocean and just decided, without any basis, that the bloom/die-off cycles recorded in the paper must have been caused by Fukushima. This, despite the fact that those cycles have been happening since before 2011.

McClain breaks down the research paper that Natural News used to make their Fukushima claims and explains what's really going on. One key point, the paper isn't even about mysterious deaths of massive amounts of marine creatures. It's about bloom/die-off cycles, a natural process in which small creatures like algae and jelly-like salps explode in number and then die, sinking to the seafloor where their bodies feed other animals. When the paper says that the die-offs are larger than they used to be, what it's really saying is that populations of algae and salps are getting larger and that sudden blooms in those populations are getting bigger. The real science is not a story about death, at all. It's a story about a food cycle on steroids.

-snip-

I'm really not kidding. Natural News literally pulled the Fukushima reference out of thin air, based solely on the fact that three large algae blooms occurred after the spring of 2011 — even though those were part of a pattern of especially large blooms dating back to 2006, and the overall quantity of small plants and animals involved in the bloom/die-off cycle has been especially high since 2003. And then Natural News insinuated that scientists and other news outlets were engaging in conspiracy or willful ignorance because those people didn't make wild, speculative claims with no basis in fact. Essentially, Natural News lies to you. And, for that, they're being rewarded with increased readership. So here's a better plan. In the future, when you see a headline on Facebook or Twitter telling you about Fukushima harming North American fisheries or ocean life, don't bother clicking on that link. Go check out Deep Sea News, instead, and get the real story behind the headline.

http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/no-fukushima-is-not-killing-o.html?utm_content=buffer1817c&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Buffer

http://deepseanews.com/

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No, Fukushima is not killing off massive quantities of sea life near California (Original Post) zappaman Jan 2014 OP
You don't actually need to do much more dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #1
Like that proves anything! Water has MEMORY and SPOOKY ACTION AT A DISTANCE! idwiyo Jan 2014 #3
Oh god! That means we're all drinking Cleopatra's pee! Orrex Jan 2014 #16
Yes you do. Much more RobertEarl Jan 2014 #4
Heh. zappaman Jan 2014 #5
So what we need to consider is dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #7
"we don't know the reaction the isotopes have with the salt water" FBaggins Jan 2014 #10
Now, now, be honest RobertEarl Jan 2014 #11
Wrong FBaggins Jan 2014 #12
OT (sorta) - I didn't realize Rb-87 is radioactive caraher Jan 2014 #15
k&r Don't forget enenews and their article on everything dying on West Coast. idwiyo Jan 2014 #2
anything originated by Natural News should be presumed false by sane people nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #6
Al Jazeera America locks Jan 2014 #8
Thanks for the heads up! n/t zappaman Jan 2014 #9
naturalews made shit up?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #13
Hard to believe. zappaman Jan 2014 #14

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. You don't actually need to do much more
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:29 PM
Jan 2014

than take into account the volume of water in the Pacific Ocean - 660,000,000 km3 which represents 46% of the worlds' surface water.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/etopo1_ocean_volumes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ocean

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Yes you do. Much more
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jan 2014

It is kinda dumb to say the ocean is too big to pollute.

What we must remember is that there is an ocean current that begins off the coast of Japan and heads straight for the west coast of the N. American continent. So what we need to consider is that this current is being polluted by Fukushima. And that the volume of this current is what you need to be concerned about.

Plus we don't know the reaction the isotopes have with the salt water. There is so much unknown about what is happening. Making conclusive statements like the OP has is, well, kinda dumb, eh?

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
10. "we don't know the reaction the isotopes have with the salt water"
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

Another one for the Laugher Hall of Fame.

Making conclusive statements like the OP has is, well, kinda dumb, eh?

Nope. But disagreeing with it is.

There are roughly 30 thousand-trillion Becquerels (PetaBecquerels) of Fukushima radioactivity in the Pacific Ocean….a number so colossal it is hard to get one’s mind around it. Let’s compare that to the activity we would find if Fukushima never happened. Here are the top five… (Source…Idaho State University - http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm)

1 - Uranium, isotopes 238 and 235 = 22 million-trillion Bq

2 – Potassium-40 = 7.4 billion-trillion Bq

3 – Tritium (Hydrogen-3) = 370 thousand-trillion Bq

4 – Carbon-14 = 3 million-trillion Bq

5 – Rubidium-87 = 700 million-trillion Bq.

While 30 thousand-trillion (Fukushima’s number) is astonishing in-itself, when we compare it to the roughly billions-of-trillion number that occurs naturally, it takes the scare-factor out of the rhetorical equation. Opponents to nuclear energy like to use the Fukushima numbers in isolation from what we find in nature because it scares people and fulfills their antinuclear agenda. When placed in context, the scare-factor diminishes mightily
http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-commentary.html


 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Now, now, be honest
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

What is being dumped into the current is cesium 137, plutonium, strontium90, etc. etc. All unnatural and man-made. And then, don't forget that it adds up pretty quickly. 1 + 1 = 2.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
12. Wrong
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:12 PM - Edit history (1)

It's almost exclusively Cesium. Other than right around the plant, they have yet to detect strontium or plutonium in levels above what was already there - which makes sense since neither is very volatile.

Also... I remind you for the umpteenth time that we used to set off nuclear bombs in that ocean. Hundreds of them. Many TONS of plutonium/strontium - and it's almost all still in the environment. The release from Fukushima (of plutonium/strontium) is more accurately measured in milligrams or grams... not tons.

And then, don't forget that it adds up pretty quickly. 1 + 1 = 2.

1+1=2.... but 30,000,000,000,000,000 + 1 really isn't the same thing. 99%+ of the release occurred in early 2011. Everything since then is a rounding error. Heck, a re-estimate of the original release up or down by a single percent will make a larger difference than everything that has been released since early in the timeline. This is why - even though they know that radioactive material is leaking into the Pacific from the plant - they can't measure any of it offshore. Comparatively-speaking there just isn't enough of it.

But neither addresses your error. There are no chemical reactions that impact radioactivity... and no radioactivity that impacts chemical reactions.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
15. OT (sorta) - I didn't realize Rb-87 is radioactive
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jan 2014

Now that I do, I also know why I didn't realize it - the half life is greater than the present age of the universe!

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
2. k&r Don't forget enenews and their article on everything dying on West Coast.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jan 2014

That one was one cool CT!

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