Canada's ex-defense minister: Aliens would give us more tech if we'd stop wars

[TreasonousBastard]

Paul Hellyer, who has long insisted that aliens have visited Earth for many years, says that when aliens saw the atomic bomb they decided that we were a great threat to the cosmos.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57616630-71/canadas-ex-defense-minister-aliens-would-give-us-more-tech-if-wed-stop-wars/?tag=nl.e497&s_cid=e497&ttag=e497&ftag=CAD5920658&tag=nl.e497&s_cid=e497&ttag=e497&ftag=CAD5920658

This is, of course, not new, nor is it the Onion...

Canada's former minister of National Defence Paul Hellyer testified at the Citizen Hearing On Disclosure (CHD) last month in Washington D.C. that aliens are living among us and that it is likely at least two of them are working with the U.S. government.

Hellyer, whose beliefs on extraterrestrial life and UFOs are well established, made the statements at the non-governmental hearings chaired by six former U.S. congressmen and aimed at, according to the event's website, doing "what the U.S. Congress had failed to do for forty-five years — [sic] seek out the facts surrounding the most important issue of this or any other time — [sic] evidence pointing toward an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/05/paul-hellyer-aliens-ufos-video_n_3390295.html

[TwilightGardener]

1. The aliens don't sound too bad. I'm sorry we're scaring them.

[Rex]

2. Hell we are just getting STARTED! Wars are still in their infancy stage!

We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the mega-war-machines tech horror of the future! Give us a hundred years to perfect bigger and better murdering machines! Then I say we take on the aliens and their moon base!

BOMB THE MOON B4 IT IS 2 LATE!

[A Little Weird]

3. Wow

To be fair, he still sounds less crazy than many of the people in our government.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. A Beautiful Mind. n/t

[Union Scribe]

5. What if he found some sunglasses like in They Live

and he's just desperately trying to warn the rest of us?

"Put on these glasses or start eating that trashcan!"

[TreasonousBastard]

7. I love that movie...

I think I have a copy of it around somewhere.

All that ass kicking and pain could have been avoided if he just put on the damn glasses.

That pretty much spells it out for the rest of us.

[Shandris]

11. Yah, but then the movie would have been...

...almost half an hour shorter!

Seriously, is that not like one of the longest fight scenes in the history of filmmaking?

[TreasonousBastard]

12. And a major point would not have been made.

[freshwest]

6. This guy was a defense minister. This stuff is all over the place. It's become a religion to some.

I see problems on both sides of the debate on the subject of alien visitors.

I don't see other than data, that there is much difference in the religious and scientific view that Earth is unique. It's a sort of Earth creation chavinism, even from evolutionists. Earth history gives a lot of facts to support this view, though. But what if as certain points it was tweaked by visitors just as we fool around with plants and animals?

That is repugnant to religious people, and equally so to believers in science. They will likely be the ones who laugh hardest at this man. They, like the climate change deniers, don't see it in their knowledge. So it's all trash.

The thought that we have been tinkered with genetically by an advanced civilization against our will is both hilarious and depressing.

I suspect there are civilizations out there among the stars that equal or surpass our own. This is what this guy in the video is saying. We've had SETI doing its work to find those ohers. This guy was high up in government. But see, he's supposed to be crazy, so you can't say that!

Just as the Earth was flat, and if you said otherwise you are a heretic. We have a way of making heretics out of anyone who doesn't ascribe to the dominant thought. But that doesn't prove anything, just what the majority think. Half the folks in this country believe Faux News, for example.

Total belief in alien visitations or UFOs has repeated an age old desire of humans not to grow up. They say that comeone will come and fix things up for us. Or they are messing us up so we can't fix it. I say, we must grow up and do it.

My opinion is, that NO ONE coming to save us from our stupidity. There is no benevolent race of beings that loves or fears us so much they stay up nights worrying. We did this, we are responsible for whatever is going to happen to us, and if we can't, then we feel we are doomed.

But never all of us. Earth history has evidence of population collapses in all kinds of animals and species in the past, some man-made and some not. Humans want security. It's hard to get.

We are lucky to be alive on this planet and don't even appreciate it, or each other very much. It's a good message to tell us to stop killing each other. Or so most of us think. Some think it's a necessary thing, and they aren't even stupid but employing a destrucitve strategy that is very wasteful.

Wonder anyone at DU lead their life differently if they believed what this man says?

[TreasonousBastard]

9. Some pretty good science fiction has...

been discussing this for years. And some pretty good scientists after a few drinks.

There's no tangible evidence for aliens, or for God for that matter, so science can't go there. But, scientists can still wonder, and dream.

[freshwest]

17. Perhaps not tangible, but logical. I also don't believe in the big bang, which sounds like a form of

creationism. I think it is the recording of a relatively local event from our view of the galaxies. And that there is no beginning or end to the universe, it would have to be infinite. Because if it is not, what's outside of it, even on the material plane, that we can see and measure?

We hear of different dimensions that are not measurable currently, or at least not adequately explained to the masses, but may be in the future.

Scienctists are doing a great job of demystifying many things. There are laymen claiming their manifestations are not hallucinations, but that they have opened the doors of perception.

Some feel drugs give them a better perception of time and space and another plane of existence. Whether that is a misfiring of the brain, or a gift of imagination, can be shown with tests, but not all. So it's subjective, anecdotal and does not meet an empirical standard. Yet.

To me, the universe and reality is perceived from points of view or perspectives. Very much like human society and thinking. Some are of the opinion that only their view is right, and anything else is heresy, woo or stupidity. I find this disappointing from those who claim intelligence and believe in science, but unproductive, as it ends the search.

I prefer the scientific method so that something useful can be replicated or used to create something, and not just entertainment. But many great minds have been suppressed over the years by scientific conformity, and more so as we now see, profitable conformity.

It disallows anything that doesn't add to a particular calling or their sphere of influence. IOW, some associations are not what they seem.

Do you think Michio Kaku's views on aliens, living in artificial bodies and his definition of terrorism are woo or cutting edge?

He seems to have taken on the mantle Carl Sagan once wore of popularizing science to Americans.

[Niceguy1]

34. there may be tangible

Evidence that we do not know about.....there are tons of stuff that the public has know knowledge of

[SidDithers]

8. Paul Hellyer is a fucking idiot...nt

Sid

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Maybe, but the planet might be a far more boring place...

without his special brand of idiocy.

And much nicer if the slim chance he's right comes through.

[NuclearDem]

13. Oh, this ISN'T South Park?

Normally when Canadians are this silly and ridiculous, they're appearing on that show.

[Logical]

14. I wish aliens existed! And visited! But so far none have! nt

[TreasonousBastard]

15. That we know of...

Realistically, though, we have no evidence of life anywhere in our galaxy, and we have a pretty good view of the closest parts. As we look further away, even within the galaxy, if there is life the travel time would be prohibitive.

It's tough to believe we are the only sentient beings in the cosmos, but unless we find out about time travel, dimensional wormholes or other highly fanciful things there's little chance we'll meet anyone else.

A Tardis! My kingdom for a Tardis!

[Logical]

16. I 100% agree. I had high hopes for SETI but nothing so far, but radio waves....

Might only be around for a couple hundred years because of cell technology. No more wide broadcasts.

You are right, life is probably there, we just will never know it.

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. How do you explain the cave paintings, rock paintings/drawings and carved figurines resembling

space men, even though they pre-dated our space program by up to 10,000 years, in some cases?

http://ancientaliens.5u.com/photo.html

How can *anybody* be so conceited to be able to look out at night, through ALL those billions of stars and galaxies and think that we are the only, and most technologically advanced species in the universe??

Peace,

Ghost

[Gravitycollapse]

19. Your argument reminded me of a great photo I saw once...

I don't think most intelligent people with an elementary understanding of the cosmos claim that NO other life exists in the Universe. That however does not mean it has visited Earth or communicated with humans.

[Ghost in the Machine]

25. Yes, I've seen and read about different pyramid shaped structures in different parts of the world...

but that doesn't answer my question about cave paintings and other drawings and artifacts dating back to 10,000 years B.C., which depict what seem to be ancient astronauts and flying machines.

"It means that this is one of the best ways to pile up rocks and not have them fall down for a long time."

Maybe this should be implemented as a building code along hurricane prone areas of the Country, saving billions of dollars paid out by insurance companies, thus lowering insurance premiums for everyone. I think you've hit on a brilliant idea!

Peace,

Ghost

[RobertEarl]

21. yeah

How 'bout all that art? And those land sculptures that can only be recognized from way up in the air?

If there were aliens on DU, they sure as heck would be telling us that aliens don't exist. Therefore, anyone telling us aliens don't exist is probably an alien!!

[Ghost in the Machine]

26. "Therefore, anyone telling us aliens don't exist is probably an alien!!" LOL!!!!

That's something to ponder on!

Peace,

Ghost

[Logical]

24. I think there is other life on other planets, they just have not....

Been here. Please explain where I said there is no other life forms!

[Ghost in the Machine]

28. "Please explain where I said there is no other life forms!".... ummmmm....

Logical (11,170 posts)
14. I wish aliens existed! And visited! But so far none have! nt

What, exactly, does that first sentence mean?? Are "other life forms" different from aliens, in your point of view??

Peace,

Ghost

[Logical]

31. Currently, as far as we know, none exist! But I assume they do. Nt

[Ghost in the Machine]

32. Thank you, Logical, I can live with that explanation...

I live by my own code of "Don't believe anything you hear....and only half of what you see" lol...

Peace,

Ghost

[Logical]

35. I am a lot more skeptical, good or bad.......

But I really hope in my lifetime that a new version of Kepler can find some planets with life on them.

[Electric Monk]

20. 1963 - 1968. Hmmm.... He's pretty old now.... nt

[Joe Shlabotnik]

22. "two of them are working with the U.S. government"

Names dammit, we want names!1!

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. he should get a job as an analyst/commentator for the History Channel

[ProgressSaves]

27. I bet the men he used to reside over had a hearty laugh about this.

All 3 of them.

[Scootaloo]

29. If you're capable of single-generation interstellar travel, I doubt atomic weapons bother you

Stuff like this just hammers it home that people who insist aliens have come here or are working with our governments, are just... clueless. The assumption that things that worry us would worry some other alien race is beyond narcissistic.

Once you have the level of technology needed to make that sort of travel possible, you probably have the sort of technology that would make a nuclear blast to the face little different from a warm day.

Same reason there will never be an "alien invasion" of the likes we see in Independence Day - a species that advanced has literally billions of billions of uninhabited worlds to exploit, for every single inhabited world. Why the hell bother wasting so much resources on invading and exterminating earth for its resources.... when Mars is right there? Hell, you want water? There's the oort cloud right out there, in terms of interstellar travel it's just as close to any alien civilization as earth is, and it's essentially a sea roughly four hundred times the size of our solar system. have at it, aliens, we're not using it for anything other than entertainment, when a chunk of it flies towards the sun.

Seriously the ability to put a big dent in a metropolis, or throw up some radiation for a century or two... isn't going to phase any being that can hang out in the space between heliospheres.

[edbermac]

30. He must have been visited by the Pakleds.

[Coyotl]

33. This proves one thing, Canada does not need a defense minister.

Wish we could say the same.