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marmar

(77,056 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 11:38 AM Jan 2014

Mounting evidence that privatizing public services costs us more money


from OnTheCommons.org:


Its Been a Very Bad Month For the Private Sector
Mounting evidence that privatizing public services costs us more money

| by David Morris


The private sector has had a very bad month. Its most widely publicized failure occurred when UPS and FedEx fumbled their Christmas deliveries while the U.S. Postal Service scored a touchdown.

“An unlikely Star of the Holiday Shipping Season: The U.S. Postal Service” is how Business Week described the clear victory of the public over the private. “The government-run competitor was swamped with parcels just like UPS and FedEx were, with holiday package volume 19 percent higher than the same period late year. But there were no widespread complaints about tardy deliveries by USPS. The postal service attributes its success to meticulous planning.”

Less publicized but even more damning has been the spate of articles regarding the epidemic of snafus and high costs of private contractors . A recent Op Ed in the New York Times by David A. Super, Professor of Law at Georgetown University offered a litany of private contractor failings, including a flawed Colorado Benefits Management System that took four years to fix. When first implemented it reportedly refused food stamps to anyone who did not have a driver’s license from Guam! In mid October a contractor’s glitch made food stamps inaccessible to recipients in 17 states.

Then there was what the Times deemed a “disastrous rollout” of a privately created and managed system to oversee unemployment benefits in Florida by Deloitte Consulting. In December Florida penalized the contractor $6 million and begin fining it $15,000 a day until the problems are fixed. Privately managed systems from Massachusetts to California have experienced dramatic delays and enormous cost overruns. ............................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://onthecommons.org/magazine/its-been-very-bad-month-private-sector#sthash.lNffQmC4.dpuf



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Mounting evidence that privatizing public services costs us more money (Original Post) marmar Jan 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Jan 2014 #1
Evidence SamKnause Jan 2014 #2
Privatize everything and you have the Golden Rule--who has the gold rules. kairos12 Jan 2014 #9
Precedent cosmicaug Jan 2014 #13
K&R. It has also brought corruption it was touted to prevent. Contractor misconduct database Overseas Jan 2014 #3
Of course they cost more! abelenkpe Jan 2014 #4
When exactly did government sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #5
Before Jesus rode dinosaurs. malthaussen Jan 2014 #6
This is one of the best videos on the subject....it explains a lot. loudsue Jan 2014 #28
This will continue because our government is run by the 1%! Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #7
+1. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #27
Can you imaging the water scalping that would be going on in Charleston if public catbyte Jan 2014 #8
Privatization is another word for fail. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #10
But... but... who could have foreseen that Christmas was coming Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #11
LOL marmar Jan 2014 #31
du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #12
It's also incontrovertibly evident that privatizers refuse accountability for 'externalities'. ancianita Jan 2014 #14
That is it in a nut shell. loudsue Jan 2014 #29
Noam Chomsky on the Environment, Corporate Propaganda and Externalities marmar Jan 2014 #33
Thanks! The manufacturing of our consent has really become the stealth theft of our house. ancianita Jan 2014 #39
Of COURSE it does!! MNBrewer Jan 2014 #15
I'm waiting for John Stossel's column about this. rickford66 Jan 2014 #16
Privatization - The Work Of The Chicago School Of Economics - Objective - Make The 1% Wealthy cantbeserious Jan 2014 #17
The difference is intent. The USPS is a brilliant large system developed with the goal Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #18
duh--it's like forgotten knowledge from before the Dark Ages. librechik Jan 2014 #19
It's about like sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #20
I've seen many small towns in the midwest America... TRoN33 Jan 2014 #21
Privatization is profiterring from the Commons. Orsino Jan 2014 #22
All hail GWB, the ex-privatizer in chief Blue Owl Jan 2014 #23
Well DUH! RoccoR5955 Jan 2014 #24
+1 a2liberal Jan 2014 #37
from The Corporation......"Externalities" marmar Jan 2014 #25
The reason public services are public is because they are. necessary but not profitable. liberal N proud Jan 2014 #26
k and r bbgrunt Jan 2014 #30
Socialize Costs, Privatize Profits .................. marmar Jan 2014 #32
Nailed it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #35
, blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #34
Privatization is a license to steal. aquart Jan 2014 #36
Don't forget West Virginia 'American' Water Co. joanbarnes Jan 2014 #38
What's the date of this article? AlbertCat Jan 2014 #40

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
2. Evidence
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jan 2014

We have an avalanche of evidence that 'trickle down' was a fraud.

Why is it still being pushed by lawmakers and media ?

We have an avalanche of evidence that the 'Iraq invasion' was illegal and launched on known faulty intelligence and evidence.

Why does the media allow the politicians that voted for this debacle a pass ? Hillary is a prime example.

We know that Wall Street committed illegal acts and fraud on a monumental scale.

Why were citizens forced to bail them out, why have they not been held accountable, and why have they not been reined in ?

Why did president Obama refuse to hold the Bush administration accountable ? Looking forward not backwards has done a terrible disservice to the U.S. and all countries involved.

Facts, data, charts, grafts, research, science, math, biology, archeology etc. are ignored on a daily basis in this country.

We have an uniformed citizenry being bamboozled by politicians whose only interest in gaining more money and power.

The push for privatizing everything that is humanly possible will continue to be touted as the right path by those who benefit from the privatization.

kairos12

(12,843 posts)
9. Privatize everything and you have the Golden Rule--who has the gold rules.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jan 2014

The free market is a fraud. It is a rigged market at best. Yeah-I really want Enron to manage the Nation's energy supplies, Target to oversee our national security computer grid, and Blue Cross to run the VA. Make me retch.

cosmicaug

(712 posts)
13. Precedent
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014
Why did president Obama refuse to hold the Bush administration accountable ? Looking forward not backwards has done a terrible disservice to the U.S. and all countries involved.


Doing such a thing would set a disagreeable precedent.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
3. K&R. It has also brought corruption it was touted to prevent. Contractor misconduct database
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jan 2014

on the Project on Government Oversight website. Shows many instances of misconduct by very famous private contractors.

http://www.contractormisconduct.org/

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
4. Of course they cost more!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jan 2014

And the article didn't even mention defense contractors. Privatization is and always has been a scam that robs the public to benefit political cronies. It needs to be stopped.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
6. Before Jesus rode dinosaurs.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

Government has always been about keeping the marks in line and helping out your buddies.

-- Mal

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
28. This is one of the best videos on the subject....it explains a lot.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

Everyone in the USA should watch it. The internet MIGHT be able to help combat some of the rule by the 1% -- which might be why the 1% wants so badly to control it.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
7. This will continue because our government is run by the 1%!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

Until we change the paradigm this is what we should expect.
If you do what you have always done, you will get what you always got!
IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE PARADIGM, WE NEED:
Publicly Funded elections;
Complete Campaign Finance Reform;
Break up the oligopolies in Banking (Wall Street); media; and the MIC!

catbyte

(34,338 posts)
8. Can you imaging the water scalping that would be going on in Charleston if public
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jan 2014

services were privatized?

Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
11. But... but... who could have foreseen that Christmas was coming
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jan 2014

or that it might be cold in December or that shoppers might be doing last-minute-shopping online instead of schlepping down to the mall?

, as usual...

ancianita

(35,934 posts)
14. It's also incontrovertibly evident that privatizers refuse accountability for 'externalities'.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jan 2014

They chisel and overprice in stealth, run when damage is done, refuse guilt when caught, pay their fines and move on to repeat their destruction as 'the cost of doing business.'

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
18. The difference is intent. The USPS is a brilliant large system developed with the goal
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

of moving the largest volume of mail and parcels in the most effective and efficient way at each step in the process from A to B.

The so-called private companies* have developed their systems to generate the maximum income and profit, resulting in built-in inefficiency and organizational dysfunction.

This comparison works across the spectrum, is the intention to make or do something as well as possible and sell it at a profit, or is it to make as much profit as possible by doing or making something?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
19. duh--it's like forgotten knowledge from before the Dark Ages.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

The death of the social safety net in the US, such as it was, is the most successful propaganda effort of all time, including the Iraq invasion. Quite a few people doubted the WMD story. But EVERYBODY believes that the poor are stealing money from "us" Thanks, Lee Atwater...

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
20. It's about like
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jan 2014

the voucher and charter school rackets. The corporate "takers" aim to suck the public coffer dry and blame the poor for it, again.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
21. I've seen many small towns in the midwest America...
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jan 2014

That have retorted their own public service to private companies. It literally bankrupt these towns with higher cost of service along with sheer scale of incompetent service unseen since European Dark Age. But the good news is that these towns' good folks already rebelled and forced the leaders to restore the service back to public with higher wage along with greater reduction in incompetence.

Some folks has discovered that those very same private company who once serve them have strong financial connection to Koch brothers. That probably explains how, one of many reasons, Koch brothers' net worth grew from W. Bush era ($15.7 billion each) to Obama era ($40-something billion of dollars each).

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. Privatization is profiterring from the Commons.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jan 2014

If a for-profit corporation came along that really did revolutionize service delivery, its leaders would deserve a tidy profit, I suppose.

Privatization starts with fail, however, when it has to buy its way into the Commons by paying off politicians. Starting in the red doesn't bode well, and of course the execs and shareholders will demand a much quicker return on their investments than does a government. I can only assume that corps' business plans are shite, made-up crap that serves only to placate the public long enough for them to get their hooks into us.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
24. Well DUH!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jan 2014

ANY service that is privatized costs more money!
When the heck are people going to learn that the government does not work for profit, they work for service.
Whenever a government entity decides to privatize ANYTHING, it will cost more, because they are paying a for profit company, who must pay their executives higher pay than those supervisory, and management positions within government.
Whenever government does public works projects, education projects, or any other projects, if they are done properly, they will ALWAYS cost less.

Counties used to pave roads for far less than their private counterparts, but now these for profits cost the taxpayers more money for worse roads. The same holds true for education, computer services, and most anything else.

I believe part of this move towards privatization is because elected officials must pay back their donors to their campaigns. When they get elected, they put services out to contract, and the lowest contract generally goes to one of these contributors. Multi-year contracts go over the contract price, and get paid by us, the taxpayers.

It's a scam, I tell you, it's a scam.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
26. The reason public services are public is because they are. necessary but not profitable.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

Private organizations run on the premises of profitability.

marmar

(77,056 posts)
32. Socialize Costs, Privatize Profits ..................
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jan 2014

The Great One, Two Punch
Socialize Costs, Privatize Profits

by DAVID ROSEN


There’s a truism about the U.S. political-economy, one being shared by an increasing number of people from all walks of life and political persuasions: the game is rigged!

There are two aspects to the rigged game. One involves the privatization of public services, the outsourcing of public needs to private contractors. Parallel to privatization has been a second con, one more hidden and far more insidious, the rigged roulette – the privatization of profit — that ensures that corporations win and the public get’s stuck with the consequences, the long-term bill.

Privatization is brilliantly simple and has been working efficiently for generations. The ordinary U.S. taxpayer gives up a portion of his/her take-home pay in the form of taxes, whether at the job or at the pump. Like a great vacuum cleaner, “government” at every level of the state apparatus sucks up these dollars. In turn, it doles out the dollars to private contractors who, like pigs at the trough, never stop sucking-up the dollars.

Parallel to the privatization scam is a con that has long been hidden yet is far more insidious. Under this version of Russian roulette, corporations have easily gotten away with the consequences of their deeds. Land was cheep, air and water unlimited, minerals abundant, workers expendable, a sucker was born everyday and you always had friends in government to bail you out when the house of cards collapsed. Who cared about industrial waste, polluted groundwater, ill workers or failed banks, everything was replaceable. Someone else will foot the bill. ........................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/01/socialize-costs-privatize-profits/



joanbarnes

(1,721 posts)
38. Don't forget West Virginia 'American' Water Co.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jan 2014

How much will taxpayers get bilked cleaning up that mess?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
40. What's the date of this article?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:53 AM
Jan 2014

Because I remember reading and talking about how privatizing government tasks costs about 3 times more.... in the 1970's

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