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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:42 PM Jan 2014

Judge won't stop execution of Ohio killer facing death by untried 2-drug injection method

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A condemned killer's attempt to stop his execution on the grounds he could experience a terrifying sensation of suffocation is the latest argument directed at whether use of a lethal drug will create an unconstitutionally cruel death.

...

In 2010, serial rapist Darryl Durr argued he might be violently allergic to the state's execution drug.

Each time, U.S. District Court Judge Gregory Frost, a veteran of the state's capital punishment legal challenges, ultimately allowed the execution to proceed. In his latest ruling, he said Monday that McGuire had failed to present evidence he would suffer breathing problems alleged by his attorneys — a phenomenon known as "air hunger" — and said the risk to McGuire is within constitutional limits.

That said, Frost acknowledged the novelty of Ohio's never tried two-drug combination, calling it "an experiment in lethal injection processes."

But until a method violates the Constitution, "The law teaches that Ohio is free to innovate and to evolve its procedures for administering capital punishment," Frost said.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/judge-wont-stop-ohio-execution-untried-drugs

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Judge won't stop execution of Ohio killer facing death by untried 2-drug injection method (Original Post) The Straight Story Jan 2014 OP
I guess there is only one way to find out snooper2 Jan 2014 #1
Pretty ignorant comment I'd say. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #2
ignorant is one word you could use... snooper2 Jan 2014 #4
It is pretty sick... I have tended to skip over posts or threads ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #7
Thanks. I think you're right. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #11
too bad . you know what could have prevented this? not raping and murdering joy stewart leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #3
Even heinous criminals have certain protections in our sysyem. And they should. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #5
ofncourse we do wouldnt want raping murderers to be uncomfortable leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #6
This particular heinous criminal... Wait Wut Jan 2014 #9
And he had those certain protections our system affords, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #25
They'll say anything to try and prolong their lives. cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #8
No, he didn't. But we are supposed to be better than him (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #12
+1 ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #14
we are better that's why he got a trial and appeals unlike joy leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #19
Being against the death penalty is not the same as "defending this monster." ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #26
ok, post changed. leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #30
Thank you. I appreciate it. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #31
got a little too worked up leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #32
Edit: Disregard. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #27
How can we lecture the rest of the world about human rights abuses Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #10
Totally agree. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #13
I couldn't agree more. newcriminal Jan 2014 #16
the rest of the world understand the dp. leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #22
Many countries in the world are against the DP LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #28
Absolutely - that's why pretty much all countries that care about human rights ban it. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #36
I'm not for capital punishment, I think LWOP is just fine, but I just can't work up any sympathy catbyte Jan 2014 #15
Why don't we just use confiscated heroin? XemaSab Jan 2014 #17
They essentially are Sgent Jan 2014 #35
So the gist I'm getting from some of these responses NuclearDem Jan 2014 #18
no a savage would terrorize rape and murder a person who was defenseless against him for no leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #21
Yep, killing is wrong. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #23
It is well known in industry that an oxygen deficient atmosphere can kill quickly and painlessly: hedgehog Jan 2014 #20
OK, so just use some other method. badtoworse Jan 2014 #24
Rope's cheap. Lancero Jan 2014 #33
Just give the SOB a bunch of oxycontin. Throd Jan 2014 #29
No sympathy here....Angel had "air hunger" when he had a dog chain around her neck. Red State Rebel Jan 2014 #34

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. It is pretty sick... I have tended to skip over posts or threads
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jan 2014

by that person. It's attention-seeking behavior.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
6. ofncourse we do wouldnt want raping murderers to be uncomfortable
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jan 2014

even if this drug did what he says it does he still has his protections

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
25. And he had those certain protections our system affords,
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jan 2014

he got a trial by jury, and convicted, and numerous appeals.
Just for the record, I oppose the DP, not on moral grounds, but it's much cheaper to give this guy life w/o parole.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
8. They'll say anything to try and prolong their lives.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jan 2014

I wonder if he used the same care and judgement against his victims that he is asking for. (Answer - No, he did not.)

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
19. we are better that's why he got a trial and appeals unlike joy
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

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he got a trial and appeals instead of being terrorized raped and murdered.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
26. Being against the death penalty is not the same as "defending this monster."
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jan 2014

Twisting one's beliefs with regard to the death penalty into defending a convicted criminal is what is disgusting. Try to see that.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. How can we lecture the rest of the world about human rights abuses
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jan 2014

when we strap people to gurneys and forcibly inject them with poison?

The death penalty is a national disgrace.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
28. Many countries in the world are against the DP
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

A country cannot be a member of the Europaean Union if it uses the DP, for example.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
36. Absolutely - that's why pretty much all countries that care about human rights ban it.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

The problem with the death penalty is that it's operated by fallible mortals, and therefor *any* country that applies it will, *inevitably*, occasionally execute people who are either not guilty or guilty but not to the extent where it's appropriate.

How many innocent people are you willing to see wrongfully killed in order to get just a little more revenge than life without parole would provide?

catbyte

(34,174 posts)
15. I'm not for capital punishment, I think LWOP is just fine, but I just can't work up any sympathy
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jan 2014

for rapists & murderers who choose to do their murdering in states with capital punishment. And as for him being scared he will "feel suffocated", I imagine his victim felt pretty scared too.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
17. Why don't we just use confiscated heroin?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014

I'm anti-DP, but heroin is proven to work, it's painless, and it's fast.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
35. They essentially are
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

hydromorphone is a synthetic opiod that's much stronger than morphine. Versed is a drug used to render people unconscious for surgery.

I don't like the death penalty, but I can't see how this drug combination is any worse than others that have been used for decades.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. So the gist I'm getting from some of these responses
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jan 2014

"He was a bad man so it's just fine for us to behave like savages."

Gotcha.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
21. no a savage would terrorize rape and murder a person who was defenseless against him for no
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jan 2014

other reason than sexual thrill that is not what we are doing. he knew the consequences of his actions

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
20. It is well known in industry that an oxygen deficient atmosphere can kill quickly and painlessly:
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jan 2014

Safetygram #17
Dangers of Oxygen-Deficient
Atmospheres
Workers have lost their lives or been overcome by
exposure to high concentrations of gases that do not
support life. Oxygen is the only component of the air
we breathe capable of supporting life. Air is composed
of approximately 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen and
other trace components. Asphyxiation is the greatest
hazard associated with nitrogen and other inert gases,
such as argon and helium. However, the addition of
any gas, except oxygen, to air reduces the oxygen
concentration through displacement and dilution.
Breathing as little as one or two breaths of air containing
too little oxygen can have serious and immediate
effects, including unconsciousness. Because there are
no warning signs of reduced oxygen concentrations
,
these environments are extremely dangerous

http://www.airproducts.com/~/media/Files/PDF/company/safetygram-17.pdf (Bold letters mine)

I am against the death penalty, but why all the rigmarole with injections? It would be easy enough to design a room that allows the oxygen level to be lowered without causing the convict any distress.

Lancero

(2,983 posts)
33. Rope's cheap.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jan 2014

Put a rope in his cell, say "Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life in jail", and walk away for a hour or two.

Odd's are the problem will solve itself.

Red State Rebel

(2,903 posts)
34. No sympathy here....Angel had "air hunger" when he had a dog chain around her neck.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:33 PM
Jan 2014

His record:

Durr kidnapped 16-year-old Angel Vincent from her home while her parents were away. He raped and strangled her with a dog chain and hid her body inside two orange traffic barrels placed end-to-end in a Cleveland park. Durr fathered a child with a teenage girlfriend who lived down the street from the victim and was obsessed with her. He named his newborn daughter Angel, and even made his girlfriend model the jeans he had removed from his victim the night she was abducted. The victim's decomposed body was discovered by neighborhood kids three months later. The case remained unsolved until Durr was arrested on two unrelated rapes in September 1988. His girlfriend, Deborah Mullins, came forward and told authorities that Durr had picked her up the night Vincent disappeared. Vincent was tied up in the back of the vehicle, Mullins said, and Durr said he was going to "waste" her. Durr dropped her off at an apartment, then returned about four hours later and placed Vincent's ring and bracelet on a coffee table. Durr boasted that he had strangled Vincent. Durr was convicted largely on the testimony of Mullins, who said she waited months to tell police about the murder out of fear that Durr would harm her. Prosecutors said Mullins knew facts about the case that she could not have known without Durr telling her, including the location of the body.

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