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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:40 PM Jan 2014

Nobody tell Brian Schweitzer that Obama's approval rating among liberal democrats is at 84%

He's convinced that running against Obama will put him in the White House.

What a fucking IDIOT!!!

I guess this is good news for Hillary and Warren should they decide to run.

Brian Schweitzer is pretty much already out of it.

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Nobody tell Brian Schweitzer that Obama's approval rating among liberal democrats is at 84% (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 OP
Don't tell liberals Schweitzer is probably more conservative on a whole shit-load of issues than O Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #1
Cuz everyone knows that... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #83
Evil? Na! Naive? A whole shit lot of 'em. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #87
That can be said even more for AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #89
Agreed... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #94
This liberal isn't impressed with either Obama or Schweitzer. polichick Jan 2014 #2
This liberal is not impressed with Obama and never has been LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #5
Neither is this one. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #6
Really - if those are the Dem choices, the party is worthless. polichick Jan 2014 #13
Welcome to America AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #84
You're part of the 16 percent Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #7
Where's the :rofl: in this post? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #9
It's there Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #11
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world;... polichick Jan 2014 #10
What's the definition of a "liberal dem" then? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #21
For that matter what does the word approval mean? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #33
Exactly Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #93
Are you one of the 80 percent or so that approve of R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #56
Let me try to help you comprehend how an approval rating works Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #57
"I don't agree with drone strikes..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #101
FDR imprisoned American citizens in direct violation of the Constitution. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #104
And it was a travesty then as it is now. What was your point? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #105
The point is there are no perfect politicians. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #106
This is not about perfection. God, what an awful answer you concocted! R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #107
You don't like my answer, even though it is factual, so you attack me personally. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #108
We're not talking "oops honey I shrunk the kids." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #109
I see. You have no answers, you have non-sequiturs. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #110
Have fun with that chip on your shoulder. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #111
You must have missed this AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #86
Does seem like a rather odd political strategy. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #3
They probably would love it AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #85
Strange dude, then. Whisp Jan 2014 #4
I agree - he'd make the primaries more interesting. polichick Jan 2014 #8
Lozo had more style with these threads Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #12
It always amuses me Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #14
No, amused Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #15
How do you know? Your profile says you joined in 2012, which is post-Lozo ecstatic Jan 2014 #18
It always amuses me laundry_queen Jan 2014 #17
There is only one dem that they ride to the rescue of LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #35
He mad.. Cha Jan 2014 #43
heehee Zorra Jan 2014 #24
These Lozoesque threads were greatly missed Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #25
Lozo was banned a week after you created your account... SidDithers Jan 2014 #37
interesting JI7 Jan 2014 #50
And Sid knocks it outta the park again... Number23 Jan 2014 #51
! Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #70
Whoops. zappaman Jan 2014 #82
The drama is so thick in here... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #91
I find that any poll I don't agree with is fundamentally flawed. pampango Jan 2014 #16
Liberal Democrats aren't the only ones voting in general elections. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #19
My post was more specific to the primary. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #20
But they're the ones who will be blamed when it all goes to hell. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #22
When it all goes to hell AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #92
Not according to a certain contingent on this board. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #97
Truth. TY, Onyx. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #102
If he runs on an anti-corporatist, anti-neo liberal platform, and makes a clear statement in Zorra Jan 2014 #23
"If he runs on an anti-corporatist, anti-neo liberal platform" polichick Jan 2014 #26
Compared to what? BlueStreak Jan 2014 #27
Yes but Obama isn't running next VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #28
We shall see. The Mayor of New York won an overwhelming victory BlueStreak Jan 2014 #46
But HE didn't run "against" President Obama... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #54
Who is running "against Obama"? That's a straw man argument. You know you can't BlueStreak Jan 2014 #60
I didn't choose the discussion.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #61
Me sloppy argument...that's rich...you just proved you are not reading the OP...just trolling me... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #62
And I repeat. The premise that Schweitzer is "running against Obama" is a straw man. BlueStreak Jan 2014 #81
Joined in 2012 and you're already pining for the old days. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #64
People join AFTER they read for years....good grief.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #65
Sidney has you covered in post 37. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #66
what in the world does Sid's comment to Cap'tObvious have to do with VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #67
Lurk a few more years. You'll figure it out in due time. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #68
Nope...posting now a days...your concern is duly noted. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #69
I already accused you of being unintentionally funny. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #71
No you don't get to trash talk and walk away...unless you concede...that is! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #72
What is it that you want, VR? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #73
I have no idea...you started this cryptic conversation seemingly only to amuse yourself... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #74
The question remains: what is it you want from me? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #76
I didn't start talking to you first did I? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #77
"You've left me babbling" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #75
The mayor of NY won because the Clintons--HRC, mostly-- raised over a million bucks for him. MADem Jan 2014 #79
So did Lieberman. How did that pay off? adirondacker Jan 2014 #88
The Mayor is in office. Lieberman is not. And it's 2014. MADem Jan 2014 #95
Just attempting to demonstrate the the repercussions of bad decision making. Some of us are still adirondacker Jan 2014 #98
Well, the Dems didn't endorse Lieberman once he went to that "Indy Dem" label. MADem Jan 2014 #99
A Little Too Convenient ProfessorGAC Jan 2014 #29
EVERY poll has a bias. A framing context. BlueStreak Jan 2014 #45
Do 84% of Liberal Dems R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #36
Well since Obama is not running again, I think he is in for a trifaila Rex Jan 2014 #30
You didn't post the link to the poll. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #31
Here Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #32
Gallup?? polichick Jan 2014 #34
No kidding Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #39
Quoting Gallup for anything is ridiculous. polichick Jan 2014 #40
90% Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #42
Yeah, 90% of the time Gallup gets it wrong. polichick Jan 2014 #44
... R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #103
. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #48
Schweitzer seems as obsessed with Obamacare as the other guys. Is that his angle? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #38
Schweitzer is not strictly a liberal. Beacool Jan 2014 #41
Nailed it. Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #47
If the article I read is accurate. Beacool Jan 2014 #59
Especially when there are 3 years left JoePhilly Jan 2014 #49
Yes, it's dangerous strategy. Beacool Jan 2014 #58
Agreed. I think, if elected, he'd piss off the left WAY more than Hillary & Obama. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #78
Libertarians are pure fascists AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #90
And if that doesn't explain the slew of folks here rushing to high five him, NOTHING will Number23 Jan 2014 #52
It's also interesting how a slew of DUers seem to love this guy Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #53
he will stand his ground against the evil black man arely staircase Jan 2014 #55
Fuck Schweitzer. He could run just fine without shitting on President Obama. phleshdef Jan 2014 #63
I could hardly believe the people declaring "he has my vote" treestar Jan 2014 #80
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #100
It was not a matter of party then nilesobek Jan 2014 #96
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
1. Don't tell liberals Schweitzer is probably more conservative on a whole shit-load of issues than O
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jan 2014

It's interesting to see how liberals find compromise over some issues acceptable but others not nearly as acceptable.

But meh. Whatever. Schweitzer isn't going to win the nomination by running against Obama.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
5. This liberal is not impressed with Obama and never has been
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

but doesn't know enough about Schweitzer to form an opinion.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
10. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world;...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jan 2014

indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead


Besides, those polls mean nothing - you can phrase the question to get any result.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
21. What's the definition of a "liberal dem" then?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jan 2014

How did the respondents come to the conclusion that they are liberal? Did the pollster set a standard for liberal/conservative or did they just ask respondents to self-identify?

Plus that doesn't even take into account liberals who don't identify with the party for one reason or another. How much did party/personality loyalty play into the results?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
33. For that matter what does the word approval mean?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jan 2014

I am pretty certain that it does not mean 84% of liberals approve of everything he does, it is far more likely the meaning is closer to 84% of liberals would approve of him over a Republican. This is why approval ratings in polls really don't tell you as much as people try to pretend they tell you, people have different definitions of what a liberal is, the word approval can mean anything from big time fan to someone who is not all thrilled but approves of him over the alternative, no one is answering the polls with the same criteria so it means very little.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
56. Are you one of the 80 percent or so that approve of
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jan 2014

Presidential Kill lists or drone strikes that kill civilians.

For starters let's begin there.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
57. Let me try to help you comprehend how an approval rating works
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jan 2014

It's not specific to any ONE issue. Approval is specific to overall job performance.

I don't agree with drone strikes and I suspect most liberal dems don't, but I still approve of Obama's overall performance. There are also other issues I disagree with Obama on, but I still approve of him overall.

See how that works?

Any more questions or can I go ahead and dismiss class now?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
101. "I don't agree with drone strikes..."
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jan 2014

Let me explain how indolence works to you; seeing how your reply appears to contain a certain varietal of it.

A kill list, assasinations, murder of civilians...regardless of accident or intent, incursions into other countries under the excuse of the war on terrer are not something that I disagree with. These things are anathema to anybody that really calls themselves a "liberal democrat", and for them to be dismissed out of hand as just something that one disagrees with shows utter lack of character, callouness and no understanding of what it means to be a liberal democrat.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
105. And it was a travesty then as it is now. What was your point?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jan 2014

Would you disagree with it today if any sitting president did something similar?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
106. The point is there are no perfect politicians.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jan 2014

As with all human beings, they have their good points and bad, and we must weigh one against the other in order to judge them.


 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
107. This is not about perfection. God, what an awful answer you concocted!
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

Explain how kill lists are legal in this democracy! Explain how killing civilians...oops...is legal in this democracy! Explain how having covert wars going in every part of the world is legal in this democracy! Explain how shrugging it off is just for "liberal democrats?"

Explain how the indolent give a free pass to this president when they would have condemned it in the last one.


Good points and bad? God you're awful.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
108. You don't like my answer, even though it is factual, so you attack me personally.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jan 2014

Show me one perfect politician in this nation that sat in the executive office, one who has not made one serious mistake, one who has not held one awful position, supported one absurd foreign policy, signed one bad law...or had no one die as a result of his presidency.


Name that person.


 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
109. We're not talking "oops honey I shrunk the kids."
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:11 AM
Jan 2014

Kill lists are bullshit. Undeclared wars are bullshit. Killing innocent civilians is bullshit, and yes trying to sweep it under the carpet with apologies is as well.

If you think that me pointing out your lousy answer is an attack, when it really was lousy, then how would you feel if your kid was blown up by a hellfire missile from China or Great Britain?


"Oops, honey. They killed our kid. Oh, well...?"

Indolent doesn't begin to describe the flag waving going on around here.


I know one thing for certain. If the president in office was a republican there would be calls for his head...just like during Desert Storm II.

There's a difference between mistake and intentional.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
110. I see. You have no answers, you have non-sequiturs.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jan 2014

Your responses have nothing at all to do with any point I made, you just want to rant.


I might be "awful", but you are not being truthful with yourself.








JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. Does seem like a rather odd political strategy.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jan 2014

The Tea Party will love it. Some of DU's perpetually disgruntled will like it.

But then who?

All a primary opponent would have to do is say ... "Apparently, Brian thinks it would be ok, perhaps even necessary, to repeal and undo everything that the Obama administration has done."

Good luck with that as a summary of your political platform.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
85. They probably would love it
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jan 2014

...til they looked at what he actually wants, which is pure socialism. They already believe that Obamacare is socialism, and it is corporate and market based which is what they claim to be for.

Come to think of it, who cares what they think!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
4. Strange dude, then.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

Still would like to see him in the primaries. Always good to hear all sorts of voices instead of The One Voice that Rules Them All.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
14. It always amuses me
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jan 2014

how positing polls which show Obama having a high approval rating among liberal dems can cause so much anger.

You mad?

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
18. How do you know? Your profile says you joined in 2012, which is post-Lozo
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jan 2014

isn't it? I could be wrong.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
17. It always amuses me
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jan 2014

that the same posters who chide liberal dems for attacking dems are starting all these threads....attacking a dem.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
35. There is only one dem that they ride to the rescue of
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:21 PM
Jan 2014

at the first sign of anything other than unadulterated adoration.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
37. Lozo was banned a week after you created your account...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

he certainly made an impression on you in those 7 days, to remember him so well almost 2 years later.

Lemme guess. Long-time lurker?

Sid

Number23

(24,544 posts)
51. And Sid knocks it outta the park again...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jan 2014
he certainly made an impression on you in those 7 days, to remember him so well almost 2 years later.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
97. Not according to a certain contingent on this board.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:55 AM
Jan 2014

It will be because there was a failure to "get his/her back."

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
23. If he runs on an anti-corporatist, anti-neo liberal platform, and makes a clear statement in
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

support of marriage and equal rights for LGBT, I will be campaigning for him 24/7, barefoot over fields of broken glass if necessary, unless someone even more democratic-progressive, like Elizabeth Warren, runs.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
26. "If he runs on an anti-corporatist, anti-neo liberal platform"
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jan 2014

That's what he - or someone - should do. Leave names out of it.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
27. Compared to what?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jan 2014

84% is complete nonsense. NO way liberals are that supporting of Obama -- UNLESS you frame the question in a way to get that answer, which all polls do. Every single poll has a framing bias of some sort. Some are a lot more obvious about it than others.

Do I support Obama as opposed to the idea of President Romney? Yes, of course.

DO I think Obama is better that Ryan, Palin, or McCain? I'd have to say yes to that one also.

DO I support what he has done with health care, the environment, and the banking industry? No, not so much.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
46. We shall see. The Mayor of New York won an overwhelming victory
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jan 2014

precisely BECAUSE he had the balls to stand us and say the average person is getting screwed here. Schweitzer doesn't have good odds to start with. Taking a strong populist position probably IMPROVES his chances considerably, especially considering that Hillary will have all the "New Democrat/DLC" space covered.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
54. But HE didn't run "against" President Obama...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jan 2014

that's just lame....and shows what "Democratic" Underground has fallen to.....

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
60. Who is running "against Obama"? That's a straw man argument. You know you can't
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

get away with that kind of sloppy argument here.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
62. Me sloppy argument...that's rich...you just proved you are not reading the OP...just trolling me...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jan 2014

second line of the OP reads

"He's convinced that running against Obama will put him in the White House."
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. Nope...posting now a days...your concern is duly noted.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jan 2014

but if you would like to accuse me of something....spit it out man ....what you holding back for?

Or should I say...."please proceed Mr. Romney"?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
73. What is it that you want, VR?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jan 2014

I told you what I intended to tell you--are you not able to understand that? Is there something further you'd like to know from me? I've left you babbling on more occasions than I can count, and I have no trepidation about engaging with someone of your abilities, but it so happens I don't have much more to say to you at this moment. If you have questions for me, it would be appropriate for you to ask them. If you don't, it would be appropriate for you to do some remediation on how conversations are conducted.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
74. I have no idea...you started this cryptic conversation seemingly only to amuse yourself...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:50 AM
Jan 2014

I have no idea what you intended...other than to smart off to me! Don't start nothing...there won't be nothing I always say!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
77. I didn't start talking to you first did I?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jan 2014

what did you expect...that you could just do a drive by shot at me and walk away?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. The mayor of NY won because the Clintons--HRC, mostly-- raised over a million bucks for him.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jan 2014

He used to work for Bill, and ran HRC's NY campaign office. He agrees with them on many issues--people seem to forget that Bill ran on hard truths and new expectations.

Bill swore him in, in one of his "people's" ceremonies.

This former governor of Montana doesn't seem to understand that the party leadership right now sits in the White House. That's where all the money is, where the connections are, and dissing the POTUS and suggesting all he did was "be black" is just not cutting it. My R-adar is going off, frankly. The NRA sucking up, the unfettered access to guns with no restrictions, the SYG bullshit, and the virulent opposition to drug legalization (beyond a grudging accession to medical MJ because the voters of MT demanded it), coupled with his enthusiasm for the death penalty and his advocacy of harsh sentences for drug users/dealers, well, that's kinda prison-y and it's not too progressive. Then there's his support for Keystone and clean coal, which kinda conflicts with the happy windmill stuff.

I think he's the flavor of the month, but it's one of those flavors that gets cloying in large doses.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
95. The Mayor is in office. Lieberman is not. And it's 2014.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:02 AM
Jan 2014

We can talk pointless history all you'd like. Don't know why you'd want to go down that road, except to divert and distract from the issues at hand.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
98. Just attempting to demonstrate the the repercussions of bad decision making. Some of us are still
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jan 2014

paying for it. My long term memory is a curse sometimes, but I'll move on eventually

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. Well, the Dems didn't endorse Lieberman once he went to that "Indy Dem" label.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

They endorsed the primary winner, Lamont.

Unfortunately, that guy started out strong, and ran out of gas. He stumbled towards the finish line.

In the end, the voters in CT went with what they knew. It was close, though.

Who knows what kind of a VP Lieberman would have been? Sometimes, all it takes is a rising tide; when dashed against the rocks, he went with his oppressor--but who knows what direction he would have taken had the election not been stolen? People are influenced by their experiences. He's certainly no profile in courage, but he may have been acceptable. We will never know. He was rejected by his former party, not permitted to serve as a delegate (and rightly so), and he went with the nut-jobs.

An ignominious end to his career, certainly.

ProfessorGAC

(64,421 posts)
29. A Little Too Convenient
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jan 2014

Unless you actually have the questions from the poll in question, you can't actually say that as fact. You have no idea whether this was a poll design to push to a pre-ordained conclusion.

It it possible? Yes. But without actually knowing, that's a pretty tenuous statement.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
45. EVERY poll has a bias. A framing context.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jan 2014

The ones that have a bias that matches our values, we call those "fair and professional" polls. The ones that have a bias against our values, we call those rigged.

It is not just the wording of the questions. It is the sequence of questions. It is the tone used when asking them. It is WHEN they are asked. Polls are fraught with bias. It is inherent.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
36. Do 84% of Liberal Dems
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:02 PM - Edit history (1)

approve of kill lists or drone strikes that kill innocent civilians?

It boggels the mind when these rah-rah numbers are flogged on DU as fact.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Well since Obama is not running again, I think he is in for a trifaila
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jan 2014

He doesn't pay attention to demographics and he just thinks being opposite will work, because he drank some of the kool aid. Alas, being the opposite of a very popular POTUS is what the TEABAGGERS do!

Oh well, maybe he will grow out of his current confusion.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
41. Schweitzer is not strictly a liberal.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jan 2014

He's more of a Left leaning Libertarian. Rand Paul's black sheep cousin, so to speak. Hes' more of a mix bag.

Regardless, to propose to run in 2016 as the anti-Obama is a stupid strategy for any Democrat.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
47. Nailed it.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jan 2014

Among his stances (according to the article) are supporting extension of gun rights, the XL Pipeline, and opposition to the NSA.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
49. Especially when there are 3 years left
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jan 2014

in President Obama's 2nd term.

The economy will continue to improve.

Good luck running against that.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
58. Yes, it's dangerous strategy.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jan 2014

A Democrat cannot be seen as completely dissociating himself from a president of his own party. He risks ticking off fellow Democrats (both other politicians and voters). Even in 2008 Republicans were careful not to bash Bush more than necessary.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
90. Libertarians are pure fascists
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jan 2014

They want corporations to run everything, even the government. He is very anti-corporate. He want's single payer.

He doesn't fit any one mold as a Democrat. He can be best described as a Montana Democrat. Fickle folks up there in Montana.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
52. And if that doesn't explain the slew of folks here rushing to high five him, NOTHING will
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jan 2014
What a fucking IDIOT!!!


 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
53. It's also interesting how a slew of DUers seem to love this guy
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:17 PM
Jan 2014

A thread praising him has nearly 150 recs --->>>http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024333473

Why is this interesting? Because of his policy positions:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024336990

But he's bashing Obama so he gets the thumbs up anyway from so-called liberals right here.

Fucking pathetic.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
55. he will stand his ground against the evil black man
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jan 2014

. Schweitzer signed an array of NRA-backed bills into law, including a 2009 “stand your ground” bill that the NRA called a “victory.”

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
63. Fuck Schweitzer. He could run just fine without shitting on President Obama.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jan 2014

You can run against the NSA without doing that.
You can run supporting single payer while still acknowledging the good that the ACA is doing.

Although neither are running, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would do that just fine if they were. We don't want to support people who are unnecessarily dickish because they THINK it helps their cause.

But aside from that, he is a right wing prick on guns and environmental issues and he can't hold a candle to the President when it comes to achievements in the fight for LGBT rights.

I like Schweitzer ok until he started this tact, now he just spells light weight.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
80. I could hardly believe the people declaring "he has my vote"
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:41 AM
Jan 2014

already. Hilarious. Mere ODS, they didn't even realize Brian's environmental stances.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
96. It was not a matter of party then
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:35 AM
Jan 2014

when I voted for President Obama. Or Democrat in the last 3 elections. I voted for the best man for the job and the President has exceeded expectations despite being up against overwhelming resistance. Kerry being in there is the cherry on top.

Its insane for this guy to think overturning the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party ever is wise he is crazy.

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