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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:35 AM Jan 2014

Noah Took a Baby Dinosaur on the Ark? 5 Extremist Christian "Science" Teachings

http://www.alternet.org/noah-took-baby-dinosaur-ark-5-extremist-christian-science-teachings



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1. The Loch Ness Monster Disproves Evolution
Science PACE (Packet of Accelerated Christian Education) 1099 contains this priceless wisdom:

Some scientists speculate that Noah took small or baby dinosaurs on the Ark…. are dinosaurs still alive today? With some recent photographs and testimonies of those who claimed to have seen one, scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence…


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2. Solar Fusion Is a Myth
The sun, as everybody knows, works by nuclear fusion. Unfortunately, ACE has a pet theory, outlined on pages 7-9 of Science 1096 (a PACE devoted entirely to refuting evolution, packed with misinformation and distortions of the truth). In short, these creationists want to prove that the sun is shrinking. If the sun is shrinking at a constant rate, then billions of years ago it would have swallowed up the earth. This, they say, proves that the universe must be young.

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3. Japanese Whaling Boat Found a Dinosaur

From the same page as the Loch Ness Monster claim comes this:

A Japanese fishing vessel brought up the decomposing body of a dinosaurlike sea creature off the coast of New Zealand. Caught at a depth of 900 feet, the creature weighed 4,000 pounds, measured 32 feet in length, and was seen and photgraphed by the crew members. The animal could not be matched with any living species but certainly resembles a supposedly extinct species of dinosaur.
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Noah Took a Baby Dinosaur on the Ark? 5 Extremist Christian "Science" Teachings (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2014 OP
In short, the breeding of ignorance in the land of Idiocracy! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #1
Exactly INdemo Jan 2014 #8
Also, old dogs learning new tricks. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #9
That was to make sure no sex had to take place to have babies...... kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #36
I have long been convinced that science class for most malaise Jan 2014 #2
:-D trusty elf Jan 2014 #6
Excellent malaise Jan 2014 #12
Teaching SamKnause Jan 2014 #3
They are using accelerated natural selection riqster Jan 2014 #4
Alright kids, that's it for biology today. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #5
Don't be silly... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #27
I never knew that Japanese Whaling ships used extra large hooks and trolled the deep. Thor_MN Jan 2014 #7
I have spoken with many of these "believers". Enthusiast Jan 2014 #10
These "believers" also have a complete misunderstanding of Christianity as well fasttense Jan 2014 #15
True. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #21
It is not about logic or evidence. another_liberal Jan 2014 #22
Are these the teachers Arne Duncan was talking about? jtuck004 Jan 2014 #11
I'm surprised they're not claiming the earth is the center of the universe deutsey Jan 2014 #13
Waiting with palpatations for volume 3 Coyotl Jan 2014 #28
sorry Rex tomm2thumbs Jan 2014 #14
I can solve #3 FSogol Jan 2014 #16
I had some one tell me they took Dino eggs. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #17
"A dinosaurlike sea creature. . . " another_liberal Jan 2014 #18
I thought Noah couldn't find a unicorn... Blanks Jan 2014 #19
God thought better of the "two of each" thing jmowreader Jan 2014 #32
I was under the impression that he brought the 7 pairs... Blanks Jan 2014 #35
My theory is, Jesus is Paul Bunyan of the Middle East jmowreader Jan 2014 #37
Everybody knows dinosaurs are extinct. pintobean Jan 2014 #20
They used to say dino fossils were placed by god NightWatcher Jan 2014 #23
Sure he did. The baby dino ate all the damn unicorns! NFT. TheOther95Percent Jan 2014 #24
Did they have a little T-Rex carrier like this? marmar Jan 2014 #25
The recipe for fiberglass used to be in the Bible jmowreader Jan 2014 #39
WTF? shenmue Jan 2014 #26
Ohhhhh-kaaaaaayyyyyyy... Kurovski Jan 2014 #29
Nothing at all jmowreader Jan 2014 #40
Cute and delicious. Kurovski Jan 2014 #44
Yes, "The Loch Ness Monster Disproves Evolution" Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #30
It's pointless to argue with them: what one can do is to learn and spread the actual facts struggle4progress Jan 2014 #31
Science will fly you to the moon, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #33
"my child is an honor student" ---> napkinz Jan 2014 #34
Ugh! That is terrible. PotatoChip Jan 2014 #42
They can go to them there Bible colleges. Kurovski Jan 2014 #45
They are correct, yet it proves evolution nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #38
So we have Noah to thank for John McCain? Fawke Em Jan 2014 #41
This is what really happened. dawg Jan 2014 #43
"Creation Science" napkinz Jan 2014 #46
I once taught Honors 10th gr. students, most of whom believed the "6,000 yrs old" crap, EVEN THOUGH WinkyDink Jan 2014 #47
OK. But, did he have to include the flies, fleas, and politicians? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #48

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
8. Exactly
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jan 2014

..But I thought this only pertained to young Republicans that have the right wing nut ideology bred into them.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
3. Teaching
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:02 AM
Jan 2014

Science PACE (Packet of Accelerated Christian Education) teaches no one.

They indoctrinate and brainwash.

They have zero interest in teaching facts.

Their goal is to turn the U.S. into a Theocracy and allow corporations to control all aspects of the government.

The John Birch Society has a totally different take on the Bible, as do many religious factions in this country.

They believe if you are rich "God" has chosen you and will give you power.

They have only contempt for the poor and struggling masses.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
4. They are using accelerated natural selection
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:26 AM
Jan 2014

...to create a better idiot.

"Life, give my creature LIFE!"

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
5. Alright kids, that's it for biology today.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:31 AM
Jan 2014

Now get your lab partner and we'll try turning your pencil into a gold nugget.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
7. I never knew that Japanese Whaling ships used extra large hooks and trolled the deep.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:17 AM
Jan 2014

Wonder what they use for bait? All the whaling ships I have seen on video used harpoons on whales at the surface, not trolling the ocean at 900 feet like these Japanese Whalers...

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
10. I have spoken with many of these "believers".
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:27 AM
Jan 2014

They have answers to support young earth creationism. Unfortunately their answers betray a complete misunderstanding of the theory of evolution and science in general. It is so very sad.

No wonder they still believe Iraq had WMDs and Obama is a Muslim Kenyan communist.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
15. These "believers" also have a complete misunderstanding of Christianity as well
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jan 2014

They pretend to know science and Jesus, when they know neither.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
22. It is not about logic or evidence.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jan 2014

It's about pretending to believe what you are told to believe by the people you dare not disobey.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
13. I'm surprised they're not claiming the earth is the center of the universe
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jan 2014

There is, after all, a "scientific case" to be made for Geocentrism...

http://geocentrism.com/gww.htm

Galileo Was Wrong
A Two Volume Set
By Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett

The Galileo Was Wrong book is now complete. Currently, there are two volumes available:

1. Galileo Was Wrong, the Church Was Right, Volume I: The Scientific Case for Geocentrism, by Dr. Robert Sungenis and Dr. Robert Bennett. 650 pgs.

2. Galileo Was Wrong, the Church Was Right, Volume II :

The Historical Case for Geocentrism, by Dr. Robert Sungenis. 400 pages.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
18. "A dinosaurlike sea creature. . . "
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:39 AM
Jan 2014

Must be an example of that there fancy scientist type talk?

Praise the Lord! I'm convinced!

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
19. I thought Noah couldn't find a unicorn...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jan 2014

The thing is (as we learn in great detail in differential equations) 2 units of each species is not enough to perpetuate the species.

What if the female giraffe tripped on her way out busted her head and died - giraffes become extinct.

The whole idea has flaws. I suppose they aren't training these kids up to take diff-eq when they're older.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
32. God thought better of the "two of each" thing
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 05:43 AM
Jan 2014

After Noah finished the ark - without anyone noticing he was building a wooden Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate with handsaws, axes and mallets - God changed his mind about the number of animals to take aboard: seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, seven pairs of every kind of bird and one pair of every kind of unclean animal.

Question for biblical scholars: in this calculation, do birds of prey, which are unclean, fall into the "bird" or "unclean animal" category? And considering Noah took one pair of mice, one pair of rats and a very long list of animals that eat rodents, why do we have vermin today? For that matter, since he took a pair of lions and a pair of tigers on a year-long ocean voyage, why are there animals besides lions and tigers in the world today?

This REALLY fucks the "there's no such thing as evolution" schtick because you couldn't fit seven pairs of every kind of clean animal that we have today in an aircraft carrier - and a carrier is far larger than Noah's Ark was. And don't forget he has to carry a year's worth of food for all these animals, plus food for his family, plus food for all the extra family members to be added when Noah and his clan realize the only things to do on the ark are eat, pray, sleep, feed animals and screw.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
35. I was under the impression that he brought the 7 pairs...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jan 2014

Of clean animals for food, but clearly the entire system wouldn't have worked.

Some theorize that what flooded was the garden of Eden at the end of the last ice age around 10,000 years ago. That would have been the entire world to the people who lived there at that time.

I expect that some guy who survived by floating on a log for a couple of days after the dam burst could spin a pretty good yarn to anyone else he ran into if suddenly everything flooded.

...then (after embellishing it for decades) they wrote his stories down. That's my theory.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
37. My theory is, Jesus is Paul Bunyan of the Middle East
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jan 2014

Or whatever local folklore character you had in your area.

The Old Testament is one-third survival manual (don't eat animals whose consumption has killed people, don't have sex that won't make healthy babies), one third regional history manual (locusts do swarm and I'm sure whole villages died of starvation when they lost their crops to locust swarms) and one third scary stories of what happens to you when you stray from societal norms.

The New Testament? How hard would it be for "Jesus and his friends saved the wedding feast of Cana by purchasing seven barrels of wine" to become "Jesus turned seven barrels of water into wine"? Or "he waded to shore" into walking on water? The whole NT reads like the exploits of an ordinary man blown out of proportion by a people who sorely needed a hero in its darkest hour.

The difference is, no one ever died over the way they interpreted Paul Bunyan or Uncle Remus stories.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. They used to say dino fossils were placed by god
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jan 2014

to test our faith. Now they've changed their minds and man walked with dinosaurs.

When facts don't suit your dogma, you can't change your dogma.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
39. The recipe for fiberglass used to be in the Bible
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jan 2014

Then the translators of the first English bible came along...

"Brother James, what the hell are ethylene glycol and maleic acid?" (two of the chemicals in fiberglass resin)
"I have no idea, Brother Fred, and neither will anyone who reads this. Just leave 'em out."

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
40. Nothing at all
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jan 2014

They're cute and cuddly and if they wouldn't have all evolved into ostriches five million years before the first human walked the earth we'd find them in the grocer's meat case.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. Yes, "The Loch Ness Monster Disproves Evolution"
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:43 AM
Jan 2014

If hard science can be sunk with the torpedo of bullshit, they can pull it off with the 6,000 year old Earth. They don't need "Nessie"

struggle4progress

(118,271 posts)
31. It's pointless to argue with them: what one can do is to learn and spread the actual facts
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jan 2014

The evidence for nuclear fusion in the sun is pretty good, and a fair amount of the evidence can be explained to people without any terribly advanced theory

Before the discovery of nuclear reactions, the source of the sun's radiant energy was unclear: one possibility seemed to be that the energy might gravitational: as the sun contracted, the gravitational energy might be converted to heat and released as radiation -- but this theory did not seem to give correct results. The first clue came from nineteenth century spectroscopic studies, when a spectral line was discovered in the sun's emission that did not correspond to any then-known element found on earth, and the hypothetical new element was called Helium, from the Greek word helios ("sun&quot . Helium was first isolated on earth around the turn of the last century and shortly afterwards was found to be the element associated with the alpha particle emission of radioactive elements -- which led briefly to the theory that solar radiation originated from radioactive decay of heavy elements in the sun's core, a theory that was abandoned when evidence of any significant radioactive mass in the sun failed to emerge. Meanwhile, deep drilling for oil produced usable sources of helium that had been formed by alpha decay of radioactive elements and then had remained trapped in rock formations. By 1920, very precise measurements of the respective masses of hydrogen and helium atoms revealed that the helium nucleus weighed slightly less than four hydrogen nuclei. The missing piece of the puzzle was then suggested to be Einstein's equation for mass-energy equivalence: the fusion of four hydrogen atoms into a helium atom might convert some mass into energy. The theory has since been worked out in considerable and partly testable detail since: a quick summary can be found here. The fusion bombs developed mid-twentieth century, of course, provide some evidence that the nuclear fusion theorists really had some idea what they were talking about

One thing notable about this story is that the principal scientists involved were not biologist and did not typically publish on the theory of evolution: they were mostly astronomers and physicists, interested in the source of the sun's radiant power

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
33. Science will fly you to the moon,
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 05:55 AM
Jan 2014

religion will fly you into buildings.

I know it's hard but just accept it, this is it. This is your shot, take it.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
42. Ugh! That is terrible.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jan 2014

What are these children going to do when it comes time for college? They will be so ill prepared for the real world, that I can't help but wonder what will become of them.

The more I think about it, the angrier it makes me. The parents are willfully putting their kids at a huge disadvantage.

Poor kids.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
45. They can go to them there Bible colleges.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jan 2014

The Bush admin hired some number of folks with degrees from them.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. They are correct, yet it proves evolution
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jan 2014
Some scientists speculate that Noah took small or baby dinosaurs on the Ark…. are dinosaurs still alive today? With some recent photographs and testimonies of those who claimed to have seen one, scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence


The bolded part is what matters here. I share my house with a couple of them, we just call them birds. Oh and every time you enjoy chicken, you are having a descendant of t-Rex.

dawg

(10,622 posts)
43. This is what really happened.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jan 2014

Noah and his family ran out of food on the Ark, and it became increasingly apparent that one pair of animals would have to be eaten. Since no one was sure how much longer the world would be flooded, it only made sense to start with the largest animals and then work their way down.

Ultimately, Noah was forced with a choice of eating either the dinosaurs or the elephants. He prayed over this, and God told him that since the elephant would someday be the symbol of the Republican party, Noah should eat the dinosaurs instead. Also, the dinosaurs would taste like chicken.

They did, by the way.

(Taste like chicken, that is.)

Yum.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
47. I once taught Honors 10th gr. students, most of whom believed the "6,000 yrs old" crap, EVEN THOUGH
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jan 2014

most of these same students would go on to take A/P Biology, A/P history, etc.

Public suburban PA. school.

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