For the sake of unity, everyone should join together

[ProSense]

and reject the reforms the President proposed.

Make no mistake, this is a major milestone in our longstanding efforts to reform the National Security Agency's bulk collection program.

Screw progress. It's the non-authoritarian thing to do.

Udall, Wyden, Heinrich Statement Reacting to President's Speech on NSA, Surveillance Reform
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347077

ACLU Comment on President’s NSA Speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347726

Senator Leahy's statement on the President’s NSA reforms
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347529

[ProSense]

1. Kick

Screw unity.

[randome]

2. Anarchy unites us!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[ProSense]

3. Down with reform

There is always tomorrow!

[whatchamacallit]

8. Up with window dressing! n/t

[hlthe2b]

4. Barack Obama to progressive community Sept 2009: "now go out and make me do it."

FDR once met with a group of activists who sought his support for bold legislation. He listened to their arguments for some time and then said, "You've convinced me. Now go out and make me do it." --from Barack Obama's address to congress, 2009

context: Even in the middle of the Depression, Roosevelt understood that the more effectively people created a sense of urgency and crisis, the easier it would be for him to push for progressive legislation -- what we now call the New Deal. FDR used his bully pulpit, including radio addresses, to educate Americans about the problems the nation faced, to explain why the country needed bold action to address the crisis, and to urge them to make their voices heard.

So those of us who wish to see more reforms than the President has addressed or committed to in terms of reigning in the NSA, must continue to push. Ignore those who would claim that your efforts reflect anything other than support for what the President, himself, has asked progressives to do on his behalf while in office. THIS is the way to gain unity.

[ProSense]

5. Some people

"Barack Obama to progressive community Sept 2009: 'now go out and make me do it.'"

are tired of the "charade."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022555109#post3

He should already know what to do. I voted, it's not my job anymore.

"So those of us who wish to see more reforms than the President has addressed or committed to in terms of reigning in the NSA, must continue to push. Ignore those who would claim that your efforts reflect anything other than support for what the President, himself, has asked progressives to do on his behalf while in office. THIS is the way to gain unity."

"More reforms" in addition to the ones now being rejected?

[hlthe2b]

9. "President Obama praises NSA, offers little in mass surveillance reform"--

Indeed. As your own posted chart clearly shows...

[ProSense]

11. Here's

the actual statement:

ACLU Comment on President’s NSA Speech

WASHINGTON – President Obama today announced changes to some aspects of the NSA’s surveillance programs and left others in place. Anthony D. Romero, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, had this reaction:

“The president’s speech outlined several developments which we welcome. Increased transparency for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, improved checks and balances at the FISA court through the creation of a panel of advocates, and increased privacy protections for non-U.S. citizens abroad – the first such assertion by a U.S. president – are all necessary and welcome reforms.

“However, the president’s decision not to end bulk collection and retention of all Americans’ data remains highly troubling. The president outlined a process to study the issue further and appears open to alternatives. But the president should end – not mend – the government’s collection and retention of all law-abiding Americans’ data. When the government collects and stores every American’s phone call data, it is engaging in a textbook example of an ‘unreasonable search’ that violates the Constitution. The president’s own review panel recommended that bulk data collection be ended, and the president should accept that recommendation in its entirety.”

- more -

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-presidents-nsa-speech

Did I miss the part where they said the reforms proposed should be rejected?

[hlthe2b]

13. Throwing in a question I never raised--a comment I never made--doesn't win you points.

It is not a very honest way to debate, however.

[ProSense]

14. "President Obama praises NSA, offers little in mass surveillance reform"

Where is that?

[hlthe2b]

16. re:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/011714-obama-surveillance-277844.html?hpg1=bn

Seems to echo the opinion of many, if not most media outlets... though I doubt you'd acknowledge that.

[Rex]

6. Authoritarians love telling people what to do.

4 out of 5 taste testers agree.

[Fumesucker]

7. You silver tongued devil you, you've convinced me

[MineralMan]

10. IT'S NOT ENOUGH! IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH!

Come the Revolution, we'll all...

{/hyperbole}

[aikoaiko]

12. Join Together

[JaneyVee]

15. EFF REFORMS! STATUS QUO 4 LYFE!