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RandySF

(58,469 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:37 PM Jan 2014

This is going to be big. Anemic Sandy aid had been noted was cause of concern for a while.

Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:20 PM - Edit history (1)

You may have already seen Mayor Zimmer in the news this week. Hoboken received only 1% of the aid they had requested for Hurricane Sandy relief and planning funds even though it was one of the hardest-hit communities in the state during the storm. At one point, 80% of the 50,000 person city was flooded. If you remember the footage of water gushing through an underground subway station, that was in Hoboken; it has, in fact, the highest per-capita use of public transit of any city in America. Yet so far the state of New Jersey has given the city about $350,000 from the billions of dollars in federal disaster relief and planning aid that it is charged with administering. That’s about $6 per resident. It has been enough to pay for one major planning study and to buy one backup generator for an $18 million emergency storm water pump.

50,000 people. 80% flooded. $6 a head.

News outlets and the mayor have both wondered if the anemic aid was a punishment for Zimmer not endorsing the governor’s reelection bid. Mayors in Jersey City, Elizabeth, and other New Jersey municipalities have been asking the same question since Fort Lee mayor Mark Sokolich raised the possibility that his refusal to endorse Christie led to the lane closures on GWB and the four-day-long traffic nightmare in that town.

This Hoboken story and the Fort Lee/GWB story might seem like separate tales. But they’re not. Moreover, these latest revelations put to rest the notion that Hoboken’s Sandy aid or the Fort Lee/GWB story have anything to do with local Democratic officials’ endorsement of the governor during his reelection campaign. Forget about the endorsements. It never really added up anyway.

The subpoenaed documents in Bridgegate show that the Christie administration used the Port Authority as an extension of their political operation, although we do not yet know to what end.

And the Hoboken story clearly demonstrates the Christie administration took steps to aid the material interest of a client of the chairman of that agency.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hoboken-mayor-christie-team-shook-us-down-for-sandy-relief

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This is going to be big. Anemic Sandy aid had been noted was cause of concern for a while. (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Jan 2014 #1
Great article, worth the read! JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #2
K & R riqster Jan 2014 #3
Follow the money starroute Jan 2014 #4
Oh MY,,look the sky is falling....Chicken Christie...k and r..no text Stuart G Jan 2014 #5
Sandy happened a while ago, how come Zimmer didn't complain sooner? flamingdem Jan 2014 #6
She has been fighting to get more aid for Rebuild by Design to prevent future floods. bettyellen Jan 2014 #9
Hard to understand why the local media wasn't exposing more flamingdem Jan 2014 #10
well, it is five min from Manhattan, so it's not as if life stopped long for residents bettyellen Jan 2014 #13
Hoboken will need a lot of money marions ghost Jan 2014 #22
Look, they were all in love with chris christie. When you have high poll numbers and you have calimary Jan 2014 #30
love every word of your post. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #36
Well done. You pointed at the problem and it's a combination flamingdem Jan 2014 #46
I couldn't figure out why... Stellar Jan 2014 #62
I want the movie rights to that post BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #51
Very good ... sendero Jan 2014 #63
Hey calimary, IDemo Jan 2014 #64
There have been many stories about the funding...went nowhere because the MSM didn't find it juicy libdem4life Jan 2014 #11
Thanks, I haven't been following it closely flamingdem Jan 2014 #49
Yeah, I'd like to know who started it too, but maybe it's better we don't know. Kornacki is a libdem4life Jan 2014 #54
It's always difficult (and potentially risky) to be the first one to stick one's neck out George II Jan 2014 #19
I read yesterday because she was afraid her Cha Jan 2014 #57
Big K&R YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #7
Mantoloking $76,750 per (wealthy insured) person, Hoboken $6 per person bettyellen Jan 2014 #8
It was in keeping with the US pattern of wealth distribution. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #14
Hoboken is a fairly upscale residential suburb of NYC. FarCenter Jan 2014 #15
What is it for Mantoloking? nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #16
Here you go: smokey nj Jan 2014 #17
Yup. 11% are below the poverty line in Hoboken; 0% are in Mantoloking SunSeeker Jan 2014 #41
Higher, but Mantoloking has a much smaller population of about 300 compared with about 52000. FarCenter Jan 2014 #18
The reason to use median is that it can't be skewed by a few extreme cases. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #25
Data from US Census bureau American Community Survey FarCenter Jan 2014 #38
Yes, I thought those toll lanes led to GWB... HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #12
anemic aide is different than anemic aid Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #20
Yeah cvoogt Jan 2014 #23
Aid, not aide? ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2014 #21
Blood donations were a problem in Hoboken jberryhill Jan 2014 #28
Alexander's staff has a low blood cell count? "Anemic Sandy aide". nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #24
Bridget Kelly does look a little pail jberryhill Jan 2014 #29
Since Ireland has been invoked perhaps she is beyond the Pale. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #33
Shirley you aren't Sirius jberryhill Jan 2014 #37
Watching recording of Steve Kornachi's show today. He's done some Cleita Jan 2014 #26
Sociopathic = standard shock doctrine bullshit elehhhhna Jan 2014 #27
What do you mean? Cleita Jan 2014 #31
I'm agreeinga nd pointing out that elehhhhna Jan 2014 #42
Thanks. Actually, I read it. Cleita Jan 2014 #43
sorry, i was not clear - I LOVE that book... elehhhhna Jan 2014 #44
She sure spells it out. I don't know how anyone would criticize her Cleita Jan 2014 #45
Pithy or enigmatic or inscrutable. What do you mean? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #39
And not just in New Jersey. notadmblnd Jan 2014 #40
Truly sick stuff. Even republicans will have to be turned off flamingdem Jan 2014 #47
No. I think they will be proud of the fact that he pulled it off. Cleita Jan 2014 #48
recommended! bookmarked. Bill USA Jan 2014 #32
Guess what... nradisic Jan 2014 #34
Steve Kornacki has covered the whole story so well nradisic Jan 2014 #35
We need to take a closer look at NJ politicians who DID endorse Christie ThoughtCriminal Jan 2014 #50
Even Mayor Zimmer was drinking the kool-aid and did not endorse flamingdem Jan 2014 #53
K&R Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #52
"Anemic Sandy aide" is decidedly different from "Anemic Sandy aid." J/S. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #55
Just saw those pics of the aftermath of Sandy on Steve's.. Cha Jan 2014 #56
If I might ask . . .? another_liberal Jan 2014 #58
Recommend jsr Jan 2014 #59
k&r n/t RainDog Jan 2014 #60
What's the fuss? This is no big deal nikto Jan 2014 #61
Not funny. Stellar Jan 2014 #65
Well the feds are going after him and the feds sent dem and repub governors mucifer Jan 2014 #66
I agree... Stellar Jan 2014 #67

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
6. Sandy happened a while ago, how come Zimmer didn't complain sooner?
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jan 2014

How come this wasn't a huge story before?

She only got 350 grand and asked for 100 MILLION!!

Something odd here, beyond what is already odd.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. She has been fighting to get more aid for Rebuild by Design to prevent future floods.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

And has been quite vocal all along about Hoboken getting screwed while toiling to get a USEFUL project proposal and get funding. Going up against Christie alone, with no written proof, is a non starter. She would have screwed over the city worse going it alone.

http://www.rebuildbydesign.org/one-step-closer-to-federal-storm-aid-dutch-design-for-post-sandy-hoboken-chosen-in-hud-competition/

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
10. Hard to understand why the local media wasn't exposing more
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

and sooner. The numbers do NOT add up. How could they have recovered this much with 350 thousand vs. the 100 million in damages.

There must have been help from elsewhere.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. well, it is five min from Manhattan, so it's not as if life stopped long for residents
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

everyone took a hit with losing some work, and sleeping elsewhere, and building owners had to replace electrical and heating units ASAP- because they HAD to with so many tenants totally displaced.
the small businesses, I don't know how many rebounded. many did not, or relocated. even though there was no power grid, many business got small generators. the local supermarket reopened -during daylight hours only- within 2-3 days as they could not power lights along with refrigeration and registers. everybody just got back to business the moment they could, even though sections of the town were in total darkness for two weeks+. we had so many heating and electrical crews from up and down the eastern seaboard to Ohio come here because work is scarce and they were needed, and same with tow trucks to take the thousands of damaged cars. Individually, everyone just did what they needed to do ASAP and hoped insurance would cover it.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
22. Hoboken will need a lot of money
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

to ensure that major engineering projects will prevent a recurrence.

Life goes on but Hoboken has not truly recovered.

calimary

(81,103 posts)
30. Look, they were all in love with chris christie. When you have high poll numbers and you have
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jan 2014

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this "in-yer-face" (read: Bravado! Balls! Guts! Mas Macho! What a MAN! "Nobody tells ME what to do!" - You TELL 'em, guv! Tell 'em who's boss! Put those pipsqueaks in their place!&quot .

Anybody remember that other GWB and his aircraft carrier strut? Remember how Chris Matthews was practically drooling? Remember how he carried on like a lovesick school girl - "now there's a real GUY! We gotta GUY for president! America wants a GUYYYYYYY for president!" (Slobber slobber, drool drool.) It was just shameful. Embarrassing to watch - and I'm not talking about just dubya's swaggering around with his stuffed-crotch flight suit. I'm talking about the utterly embarrassing way Chris Matthews - a presumably grown man - was carrying on about it. "America wants a GUYYYYYYYYY for president"? Well, I don't, necessarily. I don't have any John Wayne-lust informing my vote for any leader. MY idea of a great governor was, and is, a guy like Jerry Brown. Doesn't have to flex any physical muscles because he's got muscles galore where it really matters (at least to me): BRAINS. But then again, as a kid, I also was much hotter for the mostly-passive, cerebral Mr. Spock than I was for the brash macho bravado of Captain Kirk.

But unfortunately, somehow, too much of America, inexplicably, does. Or at least thinks it does. Maybe it's some big misplaced father complex. Maybe it's a John Wayne complex or a Marshall Dillon complex or a Steven Seagal complex or hell, I dunno what. Maybe it's a self-weenie complex yearning for the big bruiser to come along and save you and kick sand in the other asshole's face or something? A lot of people I notice do have a hard-on for the lone gunslinger or cowboy at the OK Corral - I notice both dubya and rick perry even stand and walk that way. With a swagger and a slight bow-legged thing going on and their arms hanging down at their sides - dubya always looked like he was just itchin' to grab his little pretend gun from his little pretend thigh holster and "DRAW!" They both behave as though they're setting up for some Main Street shoot-out shot in a movie - where the camera zooms in on the opponent standing a few dozen yards away - from a vantage point behind and between the "hero's" legs. And inevitably they're halfway dressed in their little cowboy costumes - at least with their cute little cowboy boots sticking out from under the trouser hems of their city-slicker Brooks Brothers suits. Sheesh. These are supposedly grown men. STILL playing "Cowboys and Indians" when they're 50+ years old??? I sort of understand it - from a distance, but in other ways, I just don't. For me, it just doesn't compute. And maybe this is a bent part of me. Certainly a cynical part. I don't want a governor in costume, whether it's a dude trying hard to get in touch with his inner cowboy or his inner Don Corleone as chris christie seems to have been doing for years now.

I'm just so disgusted! Watching Alex Witt this morning and how everybody piled on that Mayor Zimmer for not coming forward earlier and how somehow it's HER motives that should be questioned?????? WTF????? Do NONE of them remember Barbara Buono going ON MSNBC confronting the question "why didn't you say something?" and saying, repeatedly - "hey, we DID. We TRIED! We TRIED!!!! And nobody wanted to listen!" Doesn't anybody remember that? Isn't anybody paying attention to the growing collection of testimony and anecdotal evidence that ALL backs this up? The bridge scandal isn't just some rare isolated incident by - HOW MANY people in the governor's office have just been going rogue all this time and poor innocent chris christie is just such a victim who didn't know nuthin' about nuthin' and all these mean scheming aides and deputies were ALL lying and ALL going rogue and he would NEVER do such a thing or encourage it?

DAMN!!!! It just pisses me off!!!!

Here's what I posted on Alex Witt's Facebook page:

Alex - I seriously wish you would do a little more connecting the dots about the whole Chris Christie mess! I can't believe all of you piled on Mayor Zimmer like it's somehow HER motivations that are suspicious! Do NONE of you remember how Barbara Buono actually sat there on MSNBC, confronting the "why didn't you say something?" questions with "We DID. We TRIED! And nobody wanted to listen"? NONE of the press was listening or paying attention because everybody was so in love with the perceived macho of Chris Christie.

Doesn't it arouse your suspicion when these stories keep coming up? Well, now that we're finally getting a truer picture of Chris Christie other than the embroidered rhapsody of love that the media has created around him, that is. Hey ALL these people can't be lying. ALL these people can't be going rogue. And poor victim Chris Christie is just being so unfairly targeted now - what utter baloney!!!

Ms. Witt - have you NEVER been in a situation where you're up against a bigger, stronger, bullying adversary who either has more money or more fame or more connections or more popularity - and it'll be your word against his, and nobody will believe you because he's holding all the high cards? Have you NEVER been in that situation, or known ANYONE who has? You've never heard of this before?

I'm stunned! And gravely disappointed in you this morning.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
46. Well done. You pointed at the problem and it's a combination
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014

of falling for the Christie image, we all wanted to believe he wasn't as bad as the other repukes, plus the media always wants to create a horserace. Christie was perfect for the media, lots of news bytes, pithy and nasty quotes to wake up the viewer, and then the macho vs. the feminist with Hillary on the horizon.

They must have a big sad that he won't be much good to them in the future.

I guess I fell into the trap but i pointed out the huge numbers involved here, it's surreal. She got nada. But recovered, of course people wonder why.

I agree about Bueno and remember people on DU saying that the NJ machine wouldn't support her and others defending that strategy saying they'd just lose against Christie, why spend the money.

Great points!

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
62. I couldn't figure out why...
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:34 AM
Jan 2014

anyone liked Chris Christie in the first place, and wondered why the media in NJ didn't report more on his shenanigans.

Melissa Harris-Perry did an 'open letter' on her show early January 2013...a year ago this month telling Christie to "pump your brakes"....and people of Jersey still liked him?

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/pump-your-brakes-gov-christie

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
11. There have been many stories about the funding...went nowhere because the MSM didn't find it juicy
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jan 2014

enough. Same with the bridge...legislators have been writing letters and complaining for months. The bridge shutdown was just another in the Pay for Play game, but they didn't figure on any national publicity. Even that took four months to finally leak out and a lot of people were mad about that.

Somebody, apparently, contacted Rachel and she ran with it. She and Steve may be our Woodward and Bernstein for this one. They have been relentless and are racking up the MSNBC ratings...Fox is falling.

On Edit...meant to post to #10

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
49. Thanks, I haven't been following it closely
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jan 2014

but I feel pissed off because I used to live in Hoboken. Poor Hoboken, they really got the brunt of things for a while and are still not properly protected.

Rachel and Steve are fantastic on this. Interesting to know who contacted Rachel, I remember that another reporter was involved, maybe someone who covers the Port Authority.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
54. Yeah, I'd like to know who started it too, but maybe it's better we don't know. Kornacki is a
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jan 2014

New Jersey reporter and knows the scene. Maybe it was him, because he gets really intense about this. Thank god.

Cha

(296,813 posts)
57. I read yesterday because she was afraid her
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jan 2014

city would get further retaliation. Crispy had all these mayors scared. The first thing Mayor Sokolich asked CC when he came to see him was.. will there be "retribution". From what I've learned so far, flamingdem, it makes sense why she was afraid to complain. But, now feels free to come out.

SunSeeker

(51,509 posts)
14. It was in keeping with the US pattern of wealth distribution.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

Everything to the 1%. Crumbs to the 99%.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. Hoboken is a fairly upscale residential suburb of NYC.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014
The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $101,782 (with a margin of error of +/- $3,219) and the median family income was $121,614 (+/- $18,466).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoboken,_New_Jersey

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
17. Here you go:
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $151,667 (with a margin of error of +/- $66,768) and the median family income was $200,833 (+/- $146,466). Males had a median income of $98,333 (+/- $210,103) versus $42,917 (+/- $32,621) for females. The per capita income for the borough was $97,938 (+/- $40,847). About 0.0% of families and 0.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 0.0% of those under age 18 and 0.0% of those age 65 or over.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoloking,_New_Jersey

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
18. Higher, but Mantoloking has a much smaller population of about 300 compared with about 52000.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014
The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $151,667 (with a margin of error of +/- $66,768) and the median family income was $200,833 (+/- $146,466).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoloking,_New_Jersey

Mantoloking's median could be skewed by a few rich families.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
25. The reason to use median is that it can't be skewed by a few extreme cases.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

You wrote, "Mantoloking's median could be skewed by a few rich families." The median is the value that's in the middle of the ordered list. Adding a few rich families at the top would move the median up a little bit.

What could be skewed is the mean. Bill Gates walks into a bar and suddenly the average person in the bar is a millionaire, if you use mean.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
38. Data from US Census bureau American Community Survey
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jan 2014
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_12_5YR_DP03&prodType=table

Hoboken
Median family income = $131,133
Mean family income = $177,343
Median household income = $108,998
Mean household income = $143,228

Mantoloking
Median family income = $138,333
Mean family income = $258,160
Median household income = $125,833
Mean household income = $194,729
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
20. anemic aide is different than anemic aid
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jan 2014

I was expecting a story about an anemic aide.
Someone very pale, working for Christie.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
33. Since Ireland has been invoked perhaps she is beyond the Pale.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jan 2014

"pail" and "pale" and "Pale".

A pail is a bucket.

"pale" is a skin tone.

The expression "beyond the Pale" refers to a boundary in Ireland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale

From pale, a jurisdiction under a given authority; often held by one nation in another country, hence suggesting that anything outside their control was uncivilized. It was in use by the mid-17th century. The phrase may be a reference to the general sense of boundary, but is often understood to refer to the English Pale in Ireland. In the nominally English territory of Ireland, only the pale fell genuinely under the authority of English law, hence the terms within the pale and beyond the pale.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
26. Watching recording of Steve Kornachi's show today. He's done some
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

killer reporting on it including an interview with Zimmer. If the allegations are proven, it show just how corrupt and bullying his administration is. Also, IMHO playing blackmail and bribery games with the victims of Hurricane Sandy really borders on the sociopathic.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
31. What do you mean?
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

First what do you mean by SOP? There are many versions. Second, I can't think of any other word for withholding aid from disaster victims for political gain than sociopathic.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
42. I'm agreeinga nd pointing out that
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jan 2014

this is typical shock doctrine behavior by and for the 1%ers. Standard operating procedure - SOP - to engage in massive self-dealing especially in the confusion of a crisis. You'd love the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine



it explains everything

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
43. Thanks. Actually, I read it.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:41 PM
Jan 2014

Your post came across to me as hostile to the book. Sorry, I misunderstood.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
45. She sure spells it out. I don't know how anyone would criticize her
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jan 2014

very clear reasoning, but they do.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
48. No. I think they will be proud of the fact that he pulled it off.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

What they will be upset about is that he got caught.

nradisic

(1,362 posts)
34. Guess what...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jan 2014

The Mayor of West Orange, NJ gladly endorsed Christie and guess what. West Orange got $1.5 Million just to rebuild their freaking library? Brand spanking new library and Hoboken gets $300,000 instead of $100 Million the Mayor had asked for...nothing to see here...move on.

nradisic

(1,362 posts)
35. Steve Kornacki has covered the whole story so well
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jan 2014

If you want to catch up on the whole Christie fiasco, check out Steve Kornacki @upwithsteve on MSNBC. You can check them out online too. They've been documenting the whole story beyond bridgegate and the massive political corruption.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
53. Even Mayor Zimmer was drinking the kool-aid and did not endorse
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jan 2014

Barbara Bueno against Christie. I'm sure the reasons were complex but Christie seems to have been able to blind regular folk to the evil deeds behind the curtain/s

Cha

(296,813 posts)
56. Just saw those pics of the aftermath of Sandy on Steve's..
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:45 PM
Jan 2014

horrible! Who could deny the federal funds for Sandy Recovery because the mayor wasn't approving your "Development" fast enough!!?!!

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
58. If I might ask . . .?
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jan 2014

What did you mean by your comment that:

"Moreover, these latest revelations put to rest the notion that Hoboken’s Sandy aid or the Fort Lee/GWB story have anything to do with local Democratic officials’ endorsement of the governor during his reelection campaign. Forget about the endorsements. It never really added up anyway."

I am not aware of any evidence which rules out political reprisal being one of the reasons for Christie's office acting as it did against these communities.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
61. What's the fuss? This is no big deal
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:50 AM
Jan 2014

I admit, if a Democratic Governor had done this stuff, it would be an extremely serious matter
resulting in court action, impeachment, career ruination and, if the Democrat had a Liberal-enough
record, possible imprisonment.

But Christie is a Corporate-Republican.

IOKIYACR.


So it's no problem.
Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
65. Not funny.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jan 2014

It is an extremely serious matter. Especially with that major flood that was inflicted on Hoboken NJ. What if it happen again without those upgrades that Mayor Zimmer wants to make in her city to help prevent this. That would be devastating.

mucifer

(23,478 posts)
66. Well the feds are going after him and the feds sent dem and repub governors
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jan 2014

here in Illinois to prison. I think that's where Christie is going. I agree with you about the flood.

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