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Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:20 PM - Edit history (1)
You may have already seen Mayor Zimmer in the news this week. Hoboken received only 1% of the aid they had requested for Hurricane Sandy relief and planning funds even though it was one of the hardest-hit communities in the state during the storm. At one point, 80% of the 50,000 person city was flooded. If you remember the footage of water gushing through an underground subway station, that was in Hoboken; it has, in fact, the highest per-capita use of public transit of any city in America. Yet so far the state of New Jersey has given the city about $350,000 from the billions of dollars in federal disaster relief and planning aid that it is charged with administering. Thats about $6 per resident. It has been enough to pay for one major planning study and to buy one backup generator for an $18 million emergency storm water pump.
50,000 people. 80% flooded. $6 a head.
News outlets and the mayor have both wondered if the anemic aid was a punishment for Zimmer not endorsing the governors reelection bid. Mayors in Jersey City, Elizabeth, and other New Jersey municipalities have been asking the same question since Fort Lee mayor Mark Sokolich raised the possibility that his refusal to endorse Christie led to the lane closures on GWB and the four-day-long traffic nightmare in that town.
This Hoboken story and the Fort Lee/GWB story might seem like separate tales. But theyre not. Moreover, these latest revelations put to rest the notion that Hobokens Sandy aid or the Fort Lee/GWB story have anything to do with local Democratic officials endorsement of the governor during his reelection campaign. Forget about the endorsements. It never really added up anyway.
The subpoenaed documents in Bridgegate show that the Christie administration used the Port Authority as an extension of their political operation, although we do not yet know to what end.
And the Hoboken story clearly demonstrates the Christie administration took steps to aid the material interest of a client of the chairman of that agency.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hoboken-mayor-christie-team-shook-us-down-for-sandy-relief
spanone
(135,791 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)The old Watergate mantra still holds true.
Stuart G
(38,413 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)How come this wasn't a huge story before?
She only got 350 grand and asked for 100 MILLION!!
Something odd here, beyond what is already odd.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And has been quite vocal all along about Hoboken getting screwed while toiling to get a USEFUL project proposal and get funding. Going up against Christie alone, with no written proof, is a non starter. She would have screwed over the city worse going it alone.
http://www.rebuildbydesign.org/one-step-closer-to-federal-storm-aid-dutch-design-for-post-sandy-hoboken-chosen-in-hud-competition/
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and sooner. The numbers do NOT add up. How could they have recovered this much with 350 thousand vs. the 100 million in damages.
There must have been help from elsewhere.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)everyone took a hit with losing some work, and sleeping elsewhere, and building owners had to replace electrical and heating units ASAP- because they HAD to with so many tenants totally displaced.
the small businesses, I don't know how many rebounded. many did not, or relocated. even though there was no power grid, many business got small generators. the local supermarket reopened -during daylight hours only- within 2-3 days as they could not power lights along with refrigeration and registers. everybody just got back to business the moment they could, even though sections of the town were in total darkness for two weeks+. we had so many heating and electrical crews from up and down the eastern seaboard to Ohio come here because work is scarce and they were needed, and same with tow trucks to take the thousands of damaged cars. Individually, everyone just did what they needed to do ASAP and hoped insurance would cover it.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)to ensure that major engineering projects will prevent a recurrence.
Life goes on but Hoboken has not truly recovered.
calimary
(81,103 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)
this "in-yer-face" (read: Bravado! Balls! Guts! Mas Macho! What a MAN! "Nobody tells ME what to do!" - You TELL 'em, guv! Tell 'em who's boss! Put those pipsqueaks in their place!" .
Anybody remember that other GWB and his aircraft carrier strut? Remember how Chris Matthews was practically drooling? Remember how he carried on like a lovesick school girl - "now there's a real GUY! We gotta GUY for president! America wants a GUYYYYYYY for president!" (Slobber slobber, drool drool.) It was just shameful. Embarrassing to watch - and I'm not talking about just dubya's swaggering around with his stuffed-crotch flight suit. I'm talking about the utterly embarrassing way Chris Matthews - a presumably grown man - was carrying on about it. "America wants a GUYYYYYYYYY for president"? Well, I don't, necessarily. I don't have any John Wayne-lust informing my vote for any leader. MY idea of a great governor was, and is, a guy like Jerry Brown. Doesn't have to flex any physical muscles because he's got muscles galore where it really matters (at least to me): BRAINS. But then again, as a kid, I also was much hotter for the mostly-passive, cerebral Mr. Spock than I was for the brash macho bravado of Captain Kirk.
But unfortunately, somehow, too much of America, inexplicably, does. Or at least thinks it does. Maybe it's some big misplaced father complex. Maybe it's a John Wayne complex or a Marshall Dillon complex or a Steven Seagal complex or hell, I dunno what. Maybe it's a self-weenie complex yearning for the big bruiser to come along and save you and kick sand in the other asshole's face or something? A lot of people I notice do have a hard-on for the lone gunslinger or cowboy at the OK Corral - I notice both dubya and rick perry even stand and walk that way. With a swagger and a slight bow-legged thing going on and their arms hanging down at their sides - dubya always looked like he was just itchin' to grab his little pretend gun from his little pretend thigh holster and "DRAW!" They both behave as though they're setting up for some Main Street shoot-out shot in a movie - where the camera zooms in on the opponent standing a few dozen yards away - from a vantage point behind and between the "hero's" legs. And inevitably they're halfway dressed in their little cowboy costumes - at least with their cute little cowboy boots sticking out from under the trouser hems of their city-slicker Brooks Brothers suits. Sheesh. These are supposedly grown men. STILL playing "Cowboys and Indians" when they're 50+ years old??? I sort of understand it - from a distance, but in other ways, I just don't. For me, it just doesn't compute. And maybe this is a bent part of me. Certainly a cynical part. I don't want a governor in costume, whether it's a dude trying hard to get in touch with his inner cowboy or his inner Don Corleone as chris christie seems to have been doing for years now.
I'm just so disgusted! Watching Alex Witt this morning and how everybody piled on that Mayor Zimmer for not coming forward earlier and how somehow it's HER motives that should be questioned?????? WTF????? Do NONE of them remember Barbara Buono going ON MSNBC confronting the question "why didn't you say something?" and saying, repeatedly - "hey, we DID. We TRIED! We TRIED!!!! And nobody wanted to listen!" Doesn't anybody remember that? Isn't anybody paying attention to the growing collection of testimony and anecdotal evidence that ALL backs this up? The bridge scandal isn't just some rare isolated incident by - HOW MANY people in the governor's office have just been going rogue all this time and poor innocent chris christie is just such a victim who didn't know nuthin' about nuthin' and all these mean scheming aides and deputies were ALL lying and ALL going rogue and he would NEVER do such a thing or encourage it?
DAMN!!!! It just pisses me off!!!!
Here's what I posted on Alex Witt's Facebook page:
Alex - I seriously wish you would do a little more connecting the dots about the whole Chris Christie mess! I can't believe all of you piled on Mayor Zimmer like it's somehow HER motivations that are suspicious! Do NONE of you remember how Barbara Buono actually sat there on MSNBC, confronting the "why didn't you say something?" questions with "We DID. We TRIED! And nobody wanted to listen"? NONE of the press was listening or paying attention because everybody was so in love with the perceived macho of Chris Christie.
Doesn't it arouse your suspicion when these stories keep coming up? Well, now that we're finally getting a truer picture of Chris Christie other than the embroidered rhapsody of love that the media has created around him, that is. Hey ALL these people can't be lying. ALL these people can't be going rogue. And poor victim Chris Christie is just being so unfairly targeted now - what utter baloney!!!
Ms. Witt - have you NEVER been in a situation where you're up against a bigger, stronger, bullying adversary who either has more money or more fame or more connections or more popularity - and it'll be your word against his, and nobody will believe you because he's holding all the high cards? Have you NEVER been in that situation, or known ANYONE who has? You've never heard of this before?
I'm stunned! And gravely disappointed in you this morning.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)of falling for the Christie image, we all wanted to believe he wasn't as bad as the other repukes, plus the media always wants to create a horserace. Christie was perfect for the media, lots of news bytes, pithy and nasty quotes to wake up the viewer, and then the macho vs. the feminist with Hillary on the horizon.
They must have a big sad that he won't be much good to them in the future.
I guess I fell into the trap but i pointed out the huge numbers involved here, it's surreal. She got nada. But recovered, of course people wonder why.
I agree about Bueno and remember people on DU saying that the NJ machine wouldn't support her and others defending that strategy saying they'd just lose against Christie, why spend the money.
Great points!
Stellar
(5,644 posts)anyone liked Chris Christie in the first place, and wondered why the media in NJ didn't report more on his shenanigans.
Melissa Harris-Perry did an 'open letter' on her show early January 2013...a year ago this month telling Christie to "pump your brakes"....and people of Jersey still liked him?
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/pump-your-brakes-gov-christie
BeyondGeography
(39,345 posts)Superb, really. Enough truth to make a grown man cry.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. analysis and well said also.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)More of that, please!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)enough. Same with the bridge...legislators have been writing letters and complaining for months. The bridge shutdown was just another in the Pay for Play game, but they didn't figure on any national publicity. Even that took four months to finally leak out and a lot of people were mad about that.
Somebody, apparently, contacted Rachel and she ran with it. She and Steve may be our Woodward and Bernstein for this one. They have been relentless and are racking up the MSNBC ratings...Fox is falling.
On Edit...meant to post to #10
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)but I feel pissed off because I used to live in Hoboken. Poor Hoboken, they really got the brunt of things for a while and are still not properly protected.
Rachel and Steve are fantastic on this. Interesting to know who contacted Rachel, I remember that another reporter was involved, maybe someone who covers the Port Authority.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)New Jersey reporter and knows the scene. Maybe it was him, because he gets really intense about this. Thank god.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(296,813 posts)city would get further retaliation. Crispy had all these mayors scared. The first thing Mayor Sokolich asked CC when he came to see him was.. will there be "retribution". From what I've learned so far, flamingdem, it makes sense why she was afraid to complain. But, now feels free to come out.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Christie is done.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)SunSeeker
(51,509 posts)Everything to the 1%. Crumbs to the 99%.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoboken,_New_Jersey
SunSeeker
(51,509 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $151,667 (with a margin of error of +/- $66,768) and the median family income was $200,833 (+/- $146,466). Males had a median income of $98,333 (+/- $210,103) versus $42,917 (+/- $32,621) for females. The per capita income for the borough was $97,938 (+/- $40,847). About 0.0% of families and 0.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 0.0% of those under age 18 and 0.0% of those age 65 or over.[35]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoloking,_New_Jersey
SunSeeker
(51,509 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoloking,_New_Jersey
Mantoloking's median could be skewed by a few rich families.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You wrote, "Mantoloking's median could be skewed by a few rich families." The median is the value that's in the middle of the ordered list. Adding a few rich families at the top would move the median up a little bit.
What could be skewed is the mean. Bill Gates walks into a bar and suddenly the average person in the bar is a millionaire, if you use mean.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Hoboken
Median family income = $131,133
Mean family income = $177,343
Median household income = $108,998
Mean household income = $143,228
Mantoloking
Median family income = $138,333
Mean family income = $258,160
Median household income = $125,833
Mean household income = $194,729
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)not a prison exercise yard.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I was expecting a story about an anemic aide.
Someone very pale, working for Christie.
cvoogt
(949 posts)No kidding! I was disappointed!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because the aide was anemic.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But I thought it was because her family was Irish.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)"pail" and "pale" and "Pale".
A pail is a bucket.
"pale" is a skin tone.
The expression "beyond the Pale" refers to a boundary in Ireland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)killer reporting on it including an interview with Zimmer. If the allegations are proven, it show just how corrupt and bullying his administration is. Also, IMHO playing blackmail and bribery games with the victims of Hurricane Sandy really borders on the sociopathic.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)SOP these days.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)First what do you mean by SOP? There are many versions. Second, I can't think of any other word for withholding aid from disaster victims for political gain than sociopathic.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)this is typical shock doctrine behavior by and for the 1%ers. Standard operating procedure - SOP - to engage in massive self-dealing especially in the confusion of a crisis. You'd love the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
it explains everything
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Your post came across to me as hostile to the book. Sorry, I misunderstood.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)very clear reasoning, but they do.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)nt
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)right!?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)What they will be upset about is that he got caught.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)nradisic
(1,362 posts)The Mayor of West Orange, NJ gladly endorsed Christie and guess what. West Orange got $1.5 Million just to rebuild their freaking library? Brand spanking new library and Hoboken gets $300,000 instead of $100 Million the Mayor had asked for...nothing to see here...move on.
nradisic
(1,362 posts)If you want to catch up on the whole Christie fiasco, check out Steve Kornacki @upwithsteve on MSNBC. You can check them out online too. They've been documenting the whole story beyond bridgegate and the massive political corruption.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)and how they benefited.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Barbara Bueno against Christie. I'm sure the reasons were complex but Christie seems to have been able to blind regular folk to the evil deeds behind the curtain/s
Tarheel_Dem
(31,221 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Cha
(296,813 posts)horrible! Who could deny the federal funds for Sandy Recovery because the mayor wasn't approving your "Development" fast enough!!?!!
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)What did you mean by your comment that:
"Moreover, these latest revelations put to rest the notion that Hobokens Sandy aid or the Fort Lee/GWB story have anything to do with local Democratic officials endorsement of the governor during his reelection campaign. Forget about the endorsements. It never really added up anyway."
I am not aware of any evidence which rules out political reprisal being one of the reasons for Christie's office acting as it did against these communities.
jsr
(7,712 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)I admit, if a Democratic Governor had done this stuff, it would be an extremely serious matter
resulting in court action, impeachment, career ruination and, if the Democrat had a Liberal-enough
record, possible imprisonment.
But Christie is a Corporate-Republican.
IOKIYACR.
So it's no problem.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
It is an extremely serious matter. Especially with that major flood that was inflicted on Hoboken NJ. What if it happen again without those upgrades that Mayor Zimmer wants to make in her city to help prevent this. That would be devastating.
mucifer
(23,478 posts)here in Illinois to prison. I think that's where Christie is going. I agree with you about the flood.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)especially coming from another Illinoisan.