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By Alfred McCoy, TomDispatch
21 January 14
For more than six months, Edward Snowden's revelations about the National Security Agency (NSA) have been pouring out from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Guardian, Germany's Der Spiegel, and Brazil's O Globo, among other places. Yet no one has pointed out the combination of factors that made the NSA's expanding programs to monitor the world seem like such a slam-dunk development in Washington. The answer is remarkably simple. For an imperial power losing its economic grip on the planet and heading into more austere times, the NSA's latest technological breakthroughs look like a bargain basement deal when it comes to projecting power and keeping subordinate allies in line -- like, in fact, the steal of the century. Even when disaster turned out to be attached to them, the NSA's surveillance programs have come with such a discounted price tag that no Washington elite was going to reject them.
For well over a century, from the pacification of the Philippines in 1898 to trade negotiations with the European Union today, surveillance and its kissing cousins, scandal and scurrilous information, have been key weapons in Washington's search for global dominion. Not surprisingly, in a post-9/11 bipartisan exercise of executive power, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have presided over building the NSA step by secret step into a digital panopticon designed to monitor the communications of every American and foreign leaders worldwide.
What exactly was the aim of such an unprecedented program of massive domestic and planetary spying, which clearly carried the risk of controversy at home and abroad? Here, an awareness of the more than century-long history of U.S. surveillance can guide us through the billions of bytes swept up by the NSA to the strategic significance of such a program for the planet's last superpower. What the past reveals is a long-term relationship between American state surveillance and political scandal that helps illuminate the unacknowledged reason why the NSA monitors America's closest allies.
Not only does such surveillance help gain intelligence advantageous to U.S. diplomacy, trade relations, and war-making, but it also scoops up intimate information that can provide leverage -- akin to blackmail -- in sensitive global dealings and negotiations of every sort. The NSA's global panopticon thus fulfills an ancient dream of empire. With a few computer key strokes, the agency has solved the problem that has bedeviled world powers since at least the time of Caesar Augustus: how to control unruly local leaders, who are the foundation for imperial rule, by ferreting out crucial, often scurrilous, information to make them more malleable.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/424-national-security/21617-focus-its-about-blackmail-not-national-security
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
siligut
(12,272 posts)And locally, believing that you are being watched all the time modifies behavior, call it the "Santa Claus/Jesus" effect.
Adam051188
(711 posts)I think it would be better named "the Orwell effect".
siligut
(12,272 posts)But I wouldn't have been able to get my slam on religion in.
Well, money certainly is a shortcut to power and the combination of knowledge and money is quite powerful, add in some ruthlessness, no accountability and a powerful defense system and you have the NSA.
spin
(17,493 posts)Shit Happens.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)The Physicist Heisenberg said that you can't watch something without having an effect on it. He was talking about sub atomic particles, but the truth is that his principle is easily applied to even normal life.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)here we are back again!
This is a Great Read. Thanks for posting it. Hope others will take the time who might now know that this is a reminder of one of the ugliest times in our modern American History...and we should not allow this to go on any longer. The damage has been done...and will keep going. BUT...it Must STOP so that another Generation behind doesn't suffer.
G_j
(40,367 posts)is light years away from being got.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is such a thing as national security. Anyone who used it for blackmail is subject to getting caught just like any other criminal. What is it about this subject that wild exaggeration seems the order of the day? Like people really want to believe the worst they possibly can.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)But what happens when someone else is emperor?
What could happen is similar to what happened with Nazi Germany, where records of Jewish people were used to round them up.
And that isn't BS or scaremongering or exaggeration or any of that: It's the Truth.
So, you are all for that shit happening again?
treestar
(82,383 posts)This country may not be perfect, but it's a far cry from all these black, exaggerated views of it some tend to have.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Iran/Contra? J Edgar Hoover?
It happens. Denial that there are many in government not there as patriots is not wise.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that's why they made the news. Not every single government employee should be so slandered.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)No one is slandering government employees, except maybe the congress people who have stated that what some are doing is not constitutional.
We have a census. The law says the data in that census can not be used by any other part of the government. What we have now is like a census with all the data gathering, but no law regulating that use of the data.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I suggest you open your eyes.
spin
(17,493 posts)Ever notice that it never seems to make much difference who you vote for either for President or for Congress?
Many years ago I remember watching some reporters interviewing Newt Gingrich when he was the Speaker of the House.
When asked a question, Newt replied, "You don't mess with the Big Boys." That really caught my attention as I wondered who the Big Boys were that Newt was so damed afraid of.
Of course this was before the internet became popular and I have been able to find a transcript of that interview.
You may feel that I wear a tin foil hat but I will point out that during his reign over the FBI J. Edgar Hoover was known as the most powerful man in Washington D.C. for good reason.
After a quarter of a century of warrantless wiretaps, Hoover built up a veritable archive of sexual preferences among America's powerful and used it to shape the direction of U.S. politics. He distributed a dossier on Democratic presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson's alleged homosexuality to assure his defeat in the 1952 presidential elections, circulated audio tapes of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s philandering, and monitored President Kennedy's affair with mafia mistress Judith Exner. And these are just a small sampling of Hoover's uses of scandal to keep the Washington power elite under his influence.
"The moment would get something on a senator," recalled William Sullivan, the FBI's chief of domestic intelligence during the 1960s, "he'd send one of the errand boys up and advise the senator that 'we're in the course of an investigation, and we by chance happened to come up with this data on your daughter...' From that time on, the senator's right in his pocket." After his death, an official tally found Hoover had 883 such files on senators and 722 more on congressmen.
Armed with such sensitive information, Hoover gained the unchecked power to dictate the country's direction and launch programs of his choosing, including the FBI's notorious Counterintelligence Program (COINTELPRO) that illegally harassed the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements with black propaganda, break-ins, and agent provocateur-style violence.
At the end of the Vietnam War, Senator Frank Church headed a committee that investigated these excesses. "The intent of COINTELPRO," recalled one aide to the Church investigation, "was to destroy lives and ruin reputations." These findings prompted the formation, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, of "FISA courts" to issue warrants for all future national security wiretaps.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/424-national-security/21617-focus-its-about-blackmail-not-national-security
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I learn so many fascinating things here on the DU, I had no idea J Edgar Hoover went to prison for his abuse of the powers granted to him as head of the FBI.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)its over.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)Surveillance is how nations get enough power to become empires, in part.
In the US specifically, consider Watergate. An attempt to use former intelligence & FBI officers, at the direction of a Republican executive, to spy on the opposition party, and discredit it.
Even worse though? Consider Facebook, and Google. And all the private businesses that constantly profile/spy on you.
Remember that private business is far, FAR less regulated or controlled, currently, than government. What happens when they or someone they like, starts to ...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The Roman and British empires did not become empires because of spying.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You don't think we are the modern day empire? We only have bases all over the world and even have invaded distant lands.
We are the world's superpower which translates into empire quite easily.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Nazi's had their own gathering agency.
That agency set out listing all the Jewish people, gathering all the meta-data they could on those families
Then, when it came time to round them up, it was easy to track them down. Those whose meta-data was not in the data base, however, were much harder to find.
Good thing we don't have anything like that in this country, eh? Just imagine if we had a president like nixon again, or an idiot like reagan who allowed his goons to run the country Or even if our spy agency got hacked again.
God Bless America!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Here is my reply to the accusation
44. Pruneface did not employ many Vietnamese
And if they did they certainly were not part of the goons who did the dirty deeds. So, it should be obvious to even the most casual reader, that the OP had no intent to denigrate any Vietnamese people.
Back in the day we used the word (edited out BAD word) as a slang word for spies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4370075
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:14 AM, and voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: He just edited, but I'm still voting to hide, because this OP is totally insane. I had it trashed, I'm surprised I got called on a jury for it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Troll
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The word is indefensible.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The main content of the post is a poorly thought out analogy, but that isn't grounds for hiding. However the use of a racial slur and the unwillingness to correct/delete/apologize for it is a reason to hide the post.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy's been fighting the criminals and traitors who hide behind the cloak of "national security" since I can remember on DU.
As for his frequent and constant attackers on DU, it's become obvious where they come from -- not that you're one of them.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)I can't speak for his previous postings, but yesterday's "hide" seemed fairly reasonable to me.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Long time we've fought the good fight together.
As for what Robert Earl wrote to get his threads locked, I don't know. I can imagine it wasn't just his fault.
There is a group, or there are groups, organized to disrupt discussion online. On DU, time and again, I see people ridicule good Democrats, DUers and those who stand in opposition to the warmongers and banksters. Their points often are echoed verbatim at other progressive and democratic sites, as well.
What these poster do is work (or volunteer) to derail important subjects. They serve to defame and discredit individuals. They marginalize important points of view. They bury important news that somehow also is missing from Corporate Mass Media.
In the process, they rob the community of vital information. Not only is that undemocratic, it's fascistic.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The message got out and the message is that what we are standing against is allowing history to repeat itself. That history being that an unencumbered spy agency in the past (Nazis) caused much damage to many people.
The same message that was managed to be derailed in my thread is the same message I have posted here. But now it stands and everyone can read it. They did not win. They will not win. We will overcome. Obama is even feeling our heat.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Quote:
""15. Might as well link to your now locked thread. BTW, one more hide and you've got 5 in the last 90.""
Is there someone feeding you info that is not available to most everyone? I'll ask in ATA if you decide to not fess up.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)and where it says
I clicked on the explain link, and it said
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Kinda makes the hidden transparency page silly.
I opted out of the jury system. I don't participate in things that are ill designed and subject to mob mentality. Heck, even you a in danger of being vacationed. With no recourse or appeal.
Oh well, I guess we are stuck in the "be careful what you say and who you say it to" times?
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust."
SOURCE: http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)This is about how the Nazi's had a vast info gathering agency. And the damage it did using that data.
http://www.IBMandtheHolocaust.com/
madokie
(51,076 posts)they could give two shits for security. In fact insecurity is where the big money is and greedy people want that money. Anyway in my play book they're all Bastards, every fucking last one of them
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)SOURCE (scroll down for links): http://tucradio.org/new.html
Alfred W. McCoy
The Making of the US Surveillance State
(One 29min. program)
30 second Preview/Promo
In July 2013 an article appeared on line in TomDispatch that gave an up to date and chilling analysis of the unprecedented powers of the US Surveillance state. Its author, University of Wisconsin, Madison, professor of history Alfred McCoy, credits Edward Snowden for having revealed todays reality. And McCoy adds his perspective of the intriguing history that led up to this point - and he makes a few predictions as to what to expect in the near future. That article in TomDispatch caught the attention of radio host, writer and Middle East expert Jeff Blankfort who allows me to broadcast the highlights of his interview with Professor McCoy.
McCoy studied Southeast Asian history at Yale University before coming to Madison. In 1971 he was commissioned to write a book on the opium trade in Laos and discovered that the French equivalent to the CIA had financed its covert operations from the control of the Indochina drug trade. He also found evidence that after the US replaced the French the CIA took over the drug trade. Not surprisingly the CIA tried to block publication of the book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia. But after three English editions and translation into nine foreign languages, this study is now regarded as the classic work on the global drug traffic.
Professor Alfred W. McCoy is the author of: The Politics Of Heroin (in 1972) and A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation from the Cold War to the War on Terror (published in 2006) A film based in part on that book, "Taxi to the Darkside," won the Oscar for Best Documentary Feature in 2008. McCoys latest study of this topic, Torture and Impunity (Madison, 2012), explores the political and cultural dynamics of Americas post 9/11 debate over interrogation.This program was first aired on July 24, 2013 at KZYX Radio in Philo, CA.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175724/
http://history.wisc.edu/people/faculty/mccoy.htm
The 35 minute version is here: http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/69998
A387For a broadcast quality mp3 version click HERE
SOURCE (scroll down for links): http://tucradio.org/new.html
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)for good reason.
After a quarter of a century of warrantless wiretaps, Hoover built up a veritable archive of sexual preferences among America's powerful and used it to shape the direction of U.S. politics. He distributed a dossier on Democratic presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson's alleged homosexuality to assure his defeat in the 1952 presidential elections, circulated audio tapes of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s philandering, and monitored President Kennedy's affair with mafia mistress Judith Exner. And these are just a small sampling of Hoover's uses of scandal to keep the Washington power elite under his influence.
"The moment [Hoover] would get something on a senator," recalled William Sullivan, the FBI's chief of domestic intelligence during the 1960s, "he'd send one of the errand boys up and advise the senator that 'we're in the course of an investigation, and we by chance happened to come up with this data on your daughter...' From that time on, the senator's right in his pocket." After his death, an official tally found Hoover had 883 such files on senators and 722 more on congressmen.
Armed with such sensitive information, Hoover gained the unchecked power to dictate the country's direction and launch programs of his choosing, including the FBI's notorious Counterintelligence Program (COINTELPRO) that illegally harassed the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements with black propaganda, break-ins, and agent provocateur-style violence.
At the end of the Vietnam War, Senator Frank Church headed a committee that investigated these excesses. "The intent of COINTELPRO," recalled one aide to the Church investigation, "was to destroy lives and ruin reputations." These findings prompted the formation, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, of "FISA courts" to issue warrants for all future national security wiretaps.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/424-national-security/21617-focus-its-about-blackmail-not-national-security
Octafish
(55,745 posts)... light from 7 years ago, from Ray McGovern:
J. Edgar Hoover With Supercomputers
by Ray McGovern
January 6, 2006
On Dec. 19, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Director of National Intelligence Gen. Mike Hayden held a press conference in which they once again misled the American people.
Gonzales and Hayden answered questions about reports that the National Security Agency (NSA), which Hayden directed from 1999 to 2005, was eavesdropping on Americans via a special program in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The implications for privacy and our system of checks and balances are immense.
SNIP...
A more nuanced explanation may lie in the physics of the challenges faced by the NSA and the availability of sophisticated technologies not foreseen when the FISA law was passed in 1978. At the press conference, the attorney general issued a pointed reminder that there have been "tremendous advances in technology" since 1978. Recent press reports on the number of communications being monitored by the NSA suggest that the number may be so large as to be technically or practically impossible to take to the attorney general for approval as individual FISA "emergencies." Consistently high numbers of monitored communications could have trouble passing muster at the FISA court as "emergencies," for the exceptions would quickly swallow the rule.
A recent article by Charles Fried in the Boston Globe suggests that communications are now selected for monitoring based on highly sophisticated algorithm programs and that "at the first, broadest stages of the scan, no human being is involved only computers." This, and the high numbers involved, would make it impossible to obtain "emergency" AG approval on an individual basis, as required by FISA.
As Gonzales has indicated, initial soundings were taken with Congress and the prognosis was deemed poor for obtaining NSA vacuum-cleaner-type authority to suck up communications including those to or from Americans from wires and the ether. But is that not what government lawyers are for; i.e., to devise ways to make such things legal and possible at the same time? There is no sign of any serious effort on the administration's part toward that end. Rather, administration officials preferred to fall back on the "anyway" rationalization; i.e., the notion pushed by top administration lawyers that the president has the power to authorize eavesdropping anyway.
The vast quantity of communications reportedly intercepted by the NSA under this special program (New York Times reporter James Risen says "roughly 500 people in the U.S. every day over the past three or four years" makes suspect the president's claim that all of the monitored communications have some link to al-Qaeda. If he is telling the truth, we are indeed in serious trouble; fortunately, his record with such statements does not inspire credulity.
CONTINUED...
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=8349
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to combat terrorism.
As soon as the ability to couch this as a blame the big bad USA falls apart, this entire line of reasoning is undone.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I am sure the other countries think the NSA is useful also.
But as the story goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Once you have decided that you are good and your foes are bad, then anything you do is good: the ends then justify the means.
So if a congressman wants to curb the NSA somehow, get them out of the metadata business. That hypothetical congressman is now a threat. If this congressman is a threat and therefore bad then using all the tools at the disposal of the NSA to destroy the congressman is therefore good.
I don't trust the NSA precisely because they are human beings with the failings of every human being. Trust us is not good enough.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)1. The US is overselling the terrorism threat.
Obviously not true if around a dozen (that we know of) other countries are sending us metadata for the NSA to sift through.
2. This is all about US wrongdoing.
Read #1. How can this be about US wrongdoing if dozens of other countries are desperate to get the NSA's help against terrorism?
reddread
(6,896 posts)youre fired.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)even for fiction.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)impressive.
use it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)wait..
frwrfpos
(517 posts)The real reason the nsa exists is primarily for economic espionage agaist anybody who doesnt align with disaster capitalism.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)K&R