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Toon: Killers (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2014 OP
But..., but..., but, Marijuana is a gateway drug for the rest of the hard stuff. RC Jan 2014 #1
And milk is even worse, every smack head started out drinking milk. marble falls Jan 2014 #30
Breast feeding is even worse. L0oniX Jan 2014 #39
Marijuana doesn't kill many people because it isn't commonly smoked by bluestate10 Jan 2014 #42
Pot is certainly much less dangerous than many other things, and I'm all for legalization... Silent3 Jan 2014 #2
One thing forgotten is amounts smoked... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #4
A pack of weed a day packman Jan 2014 #5
A fist full of 1960's joints equals one modern high quality puff! dougolat Jan 2014 #36
The same is probably true of simply living in places with air pollution. eggplant Jan 2014 #8
I'll do some exhaustive studies and get back to you... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #12
My god! It mixes up the colors of your eyes! n/t Silent3 Jan 2014 #14
Kitten does not look Maynar Jan 2014 #16
"Funny -- I wasted all that time klook Jan 2014 #28
Smoking is not the only way to use marijuana. Straw Man Jan 2014 #18
Looks like WE have our priorities ASS BACKWARDS!! democratisphere Jan 2014 #3
Outstanding. jsr Jan 2014 #6
yes...Outstanding...no text.. Stuart G Jan 2014 #9
Great cartoon Gothmog Jan 2014 #7
Another image should have been "Deaths from guns." Just saying. nt Fla Dem Jan 2014 #10
+100 YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #15
What no smoking guns? dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #23
Which begs the question.. do people ever get stoned Cha Jan 2014 #25
Public Disorder? I'll give you public disorder----- Video: The Irony of It All BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #11
Stellar video, Blanche! Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #17
isnt that great? I'm so glad someone actually checked it out. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #19
It was your title that sparked my Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #20
Attention! Attention! Great Music Vid in post#11!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #22
Made me peek. PeoViejo Jan 2014 #35
good!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #37
Mahalo Blanche.. That was too true and funny! Cha Jan 2014 #26
mahalo, Cha! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #38
Precisely, Blanche! Cha Jan 2014 #40
Mmmmmmmmmm! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #41
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #13
Hemp Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #21
thanks Isoldeblue.. and I so agree! Cha Jan 2014 #27
THIS JackInGreen Jan 2014 #33
Morgan Freeman on MJ.. Cha Jan 2014 #24
Well, Washington State has already seen at least one marijuana-related traffic fatality Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #29
Driving while stoned JackInGreen Jan 2014 #32
That poor grave digger JackInGreen Jan 2014 #31
The only ones against legalization are the ones who profit B Calm Jan 2014 #34
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
1. But..., but..., but, Marijuana is a gateway drug for the rest of the hard stuff.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jan 2014

Just ask the DEA.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
42. Marijuana doesn't kill many people because it isn't commonly smoked by
Reply to RC (Reply #1)
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jan 2014

40 to 150 million people. I voted to decriminalize up to an ounce in my state and voted for Medical Marijuana. But I want people using the death comparison to stop until the effects of a large number of people in states and the nation using Marijuana is known.

Silent3

(15,181 posts)
2. Pot is certainly much less dangerous than many other things, and I'm all for legalization...
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jan 2014

...but until more studies are done, when it comes to smoking pot (which is, of course, not the only way to consume it), I'm still very wary of the idea of sucking soot from burning vegetation into your lungs. It's hard to imagine their aren't some respiratory disease consequences from inhaling the particulate residues of incomplete combustion, and that doing so hasn't, at least a few cases, been a contributing cause of death.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
4. One thing forgotten is amounts smoked...
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jan 2014

The average cigarette smoker might use a pack/day; the average pot smoker less than a joint. Both "units" are roughly the same size. I doubt someone smoking a joint/day is going to make a blip on long function tests.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
5. A pack of weed a day
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

Now that would be something. You'd have the cough, the pale skin, the stinking breath, the darkened lungs, the yellow teeth, the loss of taste, the smelly clothes, BUT you just wouldn't give a damn.

dougolat

(716 posts)
36. A fist full of 1960's joints equals one modern high quality puff!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jan 2014

The RW bloviators saying "It's soooo much stronger now, the President doesn't know what he's talking about!" are the ones who don't know what they're talking about; deep inhalation of a room-full of smoke can't be as healthy as mere puffs.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
8. The same is probably true of simply living in places with air pollution.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

It is true that long-term chronic pot smoking can contribute to lung damage:

However, certain cellular abnormalities in the lungs have been identified more frequently in long-term smokers of cannabis compared to non-smokers. Chronic exposure to cannabis smoke has also been associated with the development of pre-cancerous changes in bronchial and epithelium cells in similar rates to tobacco smokers. Cellular abnormalities were most present in individuals who smoked both tobacco and marijuana, implying that cannabis and tobacco smoke may have an additive adverse effect on airway tissue. The results suggest that long-term exposure to cannabis smoke, particularly when combined with tobacco smoking, is capable of damaging the bronchial system in ways that could one day lead to respiratory cancers. However, to date, no epidemiologic studies of cannabis-only smokers have yet to reveal such a finding. Larger, better-controlled studies are warranted.


However, Moderate Marijuana Use Does Not Impair Lung Function, Study Finds

The researchers followed more than 5,000 people over two decades and found that regularly smoking marijuana — the equivalent of up to a joint a day over seven years — did not impair performance on a lung function test. The test, a measure of pulmonary obstruction that looks at the amount of air a person can force out in one second after taking a deep breath, is typically worsened by smoking tobacco.

While tobacco smokers showed the expected drop in lung function over time, the new research found that marijuana smoke had unexpected and apparently positive effects. Low to moderate users actually showed increased lung capacity compared to nonsmokers on two tests, known as FEV1 and FVC. FEV1 is the amount of air someone breathes out in the first second after taking the deepest possible breath; FVC is the total volume of air exhaled after the deepest inhalation.


So while there is evidence that smoking pot doesn't affect lung function:

“FEV1 and FVC both actually increased with moderate and occasional use of marijuana,” says Dr. Mark Pletcher, associate professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco and the lead author of the study.

That was a bit of a surprise, says Pletcher, since “There are clearly adverse effects from tobacco use and marijuana smoke has a lot of the same constituents as tobacco smoke does so we thought it might have some of the same harmful effects. It’s a weird effect to see and we couldn’t make it go away,” he adds, explaining that the researchers used statistical models to look for errors or other factors that could explain the apparent benefit and did not find them.

The improvement wasn’t seen in the heaviest users, however. At high levels of marijuana use—for example, in those who smoked more than 20 times a month—FEV1 slipped back to levels seen in nonusers and a reduction was seen in, um, the most chronic smokers. But FVC remained high in even the longest term, heaviest users.

In something of a twist, the researchers found that compared to nonsmokers, marijuana users performed slightly better on the lung function test, though the improvement was minuscule. “Even with this tiny increase in airflow, I have to admit that I really doubt that there’s any real increase in lung health,” said Dr. Stefan Kertesz, an associate professor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham school of medicine and an author of the study. The finding may merely reflect marijuana smokers’ years of “training” in taking deep inhalations and holding the smoke, the researchers said.


there seems to still be an opinion that long-term heavy smoking can be bad. Personally, I don't see that as an indictment of pot, but rather of sucking on any large quantity of smoke for years on end. Combine that with heavy Cheetos abuse and who knows.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
18. Smoking is not the only way to use marijuana.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jan 2014

It can be ingested in raw or cooked form. Baked is popular. (See what I did there?)

Cha

(297,029 posts)
25. Which begs the question.. do people ever get stoned
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jan 2014

and go out and shoot people? Or is it the furthest thing from their mind?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. isnt that great? I'm so glad someone actually checked it out.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe i should have titled it better.....it's just too good to miss!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
38. mahalo, Cha!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jan 2014

Haaaaaaahahah pizza sales! LOL

I visited Hawaii many many zillions of years ago---and I remember the most awesome sushi!!!

Mmmmmm……increase in sushi sales………



Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
21. Hemp
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:37 PM
Jan 2014

would be a huge help for our environment and could put a dent in continuing global warming. If paper could be made from hemp and not trees, that would help.
It's ludicrous that this isn't cultivated here as it once was.


"Hemp was the first plant known to have been domestically cultivated. The oldest relic of human history is hemp fabric dated to 8,000 BC from ancient Mesopotamia, an area in present-day Turkey.

The paintings of Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Gainsborough, etc., were primarily painted on hemp canvas, as were practically all canvas paintings.

Hemp sails and ropes carried the European settlers to America for hundreds of years - 1492 to the advent of steamships in the early 1800's.

Cannabis hemp was legal tender (money) in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800s. You could pay your taxes with cannabis hemp throughout America for over 200 years.

You could even be jailed in America for not growing cannabis during several periods of shortage, e.g., in Virginia between 1763 and 1767.

HEMPstead, Long Island; HEMPstead County, Arkansas; HEMPstead, Texas; HEMPhill, North Carolina; HEMPfield, Pennsylvania; among others, were named after cannabis growing regions, or after family names derived from hemp growing.

Maps, log books, Bibles, books were all made of rag bond paper that had a high hemp content from recycled clothes of homespun hemp, sails, ropes, tents made of hemp.

Hemp was used for clothing, military uniforms, ship's rigging, shoes, parachute webbing, baggage, and much more. Christopher Columbus' ships were fully rigged in hemp. The U.S.S. Constitution, "Old Ironsides," was outfitted with over 40 tons of hemp rigging.

Benjamin Franklin started one of America's first paper mills with cannabis. This allowed America to have a free colonial press without having to beg or justify paper and books from England.

It was not just any string that connected Ben Franklin to the clouds above for his famous experiment, it was hemp string.

Thomas Jefferson drafted both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution on hemp paper.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew cannabis on their plantations. Jefferson, while envoy to France, went to great expense—and considerable risk to himself and his secret agents—to procure particularly good hemp seeds smuggled illegally into Turkey from China. The Chinese Mandarins (political rulers) so valued their hemp seeds that they made their exportation a capital offense.

Betsy Ross allegedly made the first flag of the United States of America out of the finest, strongest fiber available, hemp fabric.

When Rudolph Diesel produced his famous engine in 1896, he assumed that the diesel engine would be powered by a variety of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils. Rudolph Diesel, like most engineers then, believed vegetable fuels were superior to petroleum. Hemp is the most efficient vegetable.

More incredible facts:
http://truthabouthemp.org/History.html

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
32. Driving while stoned
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jan 2014

We've seen a lot more than that LONG before it was legalized, so if you want to count those in, sure, lets...
Then lets look at the numbers of deaths from alcohol or alcohol related disease or tobacco and the related primary and second hand smoke deaths from that....so sure, lets throw a few gravestones up there for those who died when someone makes the poor decision to drive under the influence of marijuana like we would with booze.
If we want to put that fine a point on it, sure, lets.
Can we also acknowledge however, that if we take those as stand alone items;
each drug unto itself just as a matter of 'responsible' use.
Use alcohol for long enough, it'll break your liver and other organs, and you will die.
Use tobacco for long enough, you develop lung cancer or emphysema (or myriad others) and you die.
Use marijuana long enough...and...well.....we've got the data up top, no one so far. Other things have killed folks LONG before we've been able to isolate pot as the primary source of their death by prolonged use.
So, yes, lets address those finer points, if you'd like.

Edited for this:

If we're addressing finer points...I'd like you to consider the amount of lives the drug war has ruined or ended in pursuit of prohibition? Or would you prefer to add those bodies to the pot graves as well?

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
31. That poor grave digger
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jan 2014

I'm going to take it he died of boredom. He should have smoked a joint and took a few to watch the clouds before filling that hole in, planting a lovely purple kush or godbud on top, and going home.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
34. The only ones against legalization are the ones who profit
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jan 2014

by keeping it illegal or the ones who are just fucking ignorant! So if any of you are against legalization, which category do you fall in?

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