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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:49 PM Jan 2014

Cats and Dogs Living Together

For over 20 years, my wife and I have been cat people. We've had a bunch of the feline companions, but once we moved to Minnesota, we settled on just having two. Both are neutered females, and both live 100% indoors. One cat per lap seemed to be enough. They got along just fine and provided humor and a friendly four-footed presence in our little house.

All seemed well, but my wife got a hankering to have a dog. You know how that goes. To find just the right dog, she started volunteering at a shelter, walking and feeding the shelter dogs, figuring she'd find just the right one while volunteering. After a few months, she came home and told me she had found THE dog. Now, I'm skeptical about things, so I asked a lot of questions about this dog. Was it house trained? "I don't know." How is it with cats? "I don't know." Is it friendly? "Seems to be." I didn't care for the first two answers, but the third answer was OK. I looked at the photo of the dog on the shelter's website. It was a Beagle/Basset mix, and had a nice face, but I was still skeptical. We have two cats who know nothing of dogs, and a house that we try to keep relatively clean. "I don't know," I told my wife. "I know," she replied. And that settled that.

So, we adopted this unknown quantity of a dog. We bought leashes, a big wire kennel, expensive dog food to be processed into dog poop, and various toys and other paraphernalia associated with dog ownership. But the questions still remained: Will the dog harass the cats? Will it deposit its processed dog food on the floor? Who will walk it? Who will take it outdoors in the middle of Winter in a snowstorm? Never mind. We drove to the shelter and brought Dude back with us. Into the kennel he went as soon as we got him in the house.



We named him Dude. About an hour after we got him home, he demonstrated that he was, indeed house-trained, insisting that he go outdoors to do his dogly business. One problem solved. But what of the cats? After he was back in his kennel, our elder cat, Scout, walked into the room, did a double-take, and slowly and stealthily approached the kennel. Dude? He wagged his considerable tail mightily and stuck his nose through the wires of the kennel. Cat sniffed. Dog sniffed. And that was it. After walking him on his leash past the cat a couple of times with no problems, we gave him the freedom of the house. No issues. Mostly they ignored each other. The other cat, Beasley, a basement dweller, made her peace with the dog a few hours later, although she still hisses at him if they encounter each other unexpectedly. Dude simply ignores such rude behavior.

A truce was established. Different points of view were accepted and civil behavior maintained. I was relieved, my wife was happy, and the dog joined the household. My worries were for naught. Good news all around.

Since then, we've adopted another rescue dog, a beagle from the Beagle Freedom Project. Having lived in a laboratory cage for 3 years and having been used in some sort of experiments, he had never seen a cat, and was suffering from canine PTSD of some kind. We brought him in, but didn't put him in a kennel. He'd had enough of kennels, we figured. Anyhow, he apparently determined immediately that our two cats were some sort of strange-looking dog, and never gave them another thought. Our 17-year-old elder cat decided that Sam, the rescue beagle was pretty much OK, and now sleeps next to him, although without any physical contact, of course.



Different points of view. Different species. And yet, they manage to co-exist without too much conflict. Neither species really understands the other fully, but they manage to interact at some level and maintain peace. It occurs to me that if dogs and cats can live together, perhaps it is possible that the varying viewpoints on DU needn't result in incivility. Perhaps we should acknowledge our differences, cautiously sniff each others' butts, and co-exist without rancor. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned from dogs and cats living together. I don't know. Maybe we can even extend that into the rest of our interactions, outside of DU, to some extent. Seems worth a try to me.

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Cats and Dogs Living Together (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2014 OP
Some very good points. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #1
Well, of course. Humans generally use MineralMan Jan 2014 #2
Wouldn't it have been funny if we called the network handshake a "buttsniff" instead? lol n/t Beartracks Jan 2014 #15
I like the idea! MineralMan Jan 2014 #16
I had a yellow lab that walked into my house from the woods. LiberalArkie Jan 2014 #3
Sounds like an interesting life. MineralMan Jan 2014 #6
Goats, sheep and donkeys can easily herd together Aerows Jan 2014 #27
I have a cat who gets along fine with any dog willing to be friendly but Cleita Jan 2014 #4
Maybe other cats are competition, while the dog MineralMan Jan 2014 #7
Yes, that's the point. Apparently they live in different dimensions. SharonAnn Jan 2014 #11
Good explanation. Only the cat knows for sure though. n/t Cleita Jan 2014 #12
My Maine Coon cat Aerows Jan 2014 #30
I know what you mean about those guys. I had a Maine Coon mix who was okay Cleita Jan 2014 #34
Me too. I loved my Gaston. Aerows Jan 2014 #36
What I've learned from Jackson Galaxy (My Cat is from Hell) is a cat's world is her territory. valerief Jan 2014 #5
Interesting theory. MineralMan Jan 2014 #8
Nice post. Agschmid Jan 2014 #9
Thank you! MineralMan Jan 2014 #10
Always been a dog person, but I'm learning to love my Grand cat. joanbarnes Jan 2014 #13
Well, neither would I. I meant a metaphorical butt sniff. MineralMan Jan 2014 #14
my reply... Tyrs WolfDaemon Jan 2014 #17
Beautiful silver tabby! Nice doggie, too. MineralMan Jan 2014 #18
Cat 2.0 was a Bengal which is supposed to be some kind of hybrid Tyrs WolfDaemon Jan 2014 #33
We have our cats and dogs only for a brief time. MineralMan Jan 2014 #37
LOL! My friend had a father with that kind of naming talent. nolabear Jan 2014 #20
If you asked a yes/no question Tyrs WolfDaemon Jan 2014 #23
Well done all around! It would be nice if we could appreciate our differences. nolabear Jan 2014 #19
Thanks. I appreciate your comment. MineralMan Jan 2014 #21
Beautiful story. Excellent lesson. Curmudgeoness Jan 2014 #22
Thanks. I think you're right. MineralMan Jan 2014 #28
Adore this story. madmax Jan 2014 #24
You're very kind. MineralMan Jan 2014 #29
Well said! riqster Jan 2014 #25
I'm glad to hear it. Cats and dogs can get along, it seems. MineralMan Jan 2014 #31
A-Men. riqster Jan 2014 #39
Hehe Sgent Jan 2014 #42
Yes, our dog does that, too. riqster Jan 2014 #43
Beautiful post, MM Aerows Jan 2014 #26
Thanks so much for your comment! MineralMan Jan 2014 #32
Nice! randome Jan 2014 #35
My pleasure. Beats the heck out of writing a web MineralMan Jan 2014 #38
The dogs are great fadedrose Jan 2014 #40
Could be. We're pretty laid back, MineralMan Jan 2014 #44
This was beautifully written oregonjen Jan 2014 #41
That's very nice of you to say. MineralMan Jan 2014 #45
Adult dogs can learn to coexist with resident cats Warpy Jan 2014 #46

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
2. Well, of course. Humans generally use
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jan 2014

different techniques to identify other humans. A metaphorical butt sniff, as it were.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
3. I had a yellow lab that walked into my house from the woods.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

That decided that my house was a decent place to live. I then adopted a stay female kitten. Velco the dog adopted the kitten and was always around her. She started popping out kittens and I had 17 cats before I could get her neutered. Velcro raised all the kittens. Since I live out in the Ouachita National Forest, the kittens would wonder off and become food for something higher in the food chain. I had 3 kittens and the Moma cat that were survivors.
The youngest cat (male) "Whiner" is partial to dogs and not other cats. Velcro raised him also.
After Velcro died , I picked up a shelter dog, a beagle that I called Buster. Whiner raised Buster to be a very good dog. Buster came down with tick fever, which made him sore a lot of the time, especially cold weather. He went outside one night and the temp dropped to 9 degrees and he did not come back.
Whiner moped around for ever. So I went back to the shelter and they gave me a small black lab. I called him "Sam". Whiner was in heaven again. When Sam isn't out chasing something, him and Whiner are all curled up together.

So I cats and dogs just about always get along together, if given have the chance to do so. A dog raised to be mean though will attack cats in a heartbeat. But I don't believe it is normally their nature. Sam is more afraid of Moma cat than anything else in this world.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. Goats, sheep and donkeys can easily herd together
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:02 PM
Jan 2014

and live with the dog that protects them. Domesticated animals have learned to get along. They get along with us, don't they? Working together in partnership creates loyalty, organically, without forcing it. Learning to rely on someone isn't any different whether it is a dog, a cat, a person, or a mule. I think a lot of people miss out on a great lesson of life because they don't have enough contact with animals to understand interdependence.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. I have a cat who gets along fine with any dog willing to be friendly but
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jan 2014

will beat up any cat who comes near him. Go figure.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
7. Maybe other cats are competition, while the dog
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jan 2014

is just, well, a dog, and not worthy of much interest.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
11. Yes, that's the point. Apparently they live in different dimensions.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014

My cat WILL NOT tolerate other cats in HER house. But dogs? Sure. She seems to say "Meh, a dog. Not worthy of any attention."

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. My Maine Coon cat
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jan 2014

would beat up any dog that got within two yards of him, rest his soul, but didn't pay any mind to other cats. He's been gone for a while, but he was a HUGE precious, gregarious guy ... with everything but dogs.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. I know what you mean about those guys. I had a Maine Coon mix who was okay
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jan 2014

with all animals even mice and birds. He didn't hunt. He was truly a gentle giant and I still miss him.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
5. What I've learned from Jackson Galaxy (My Cat is from Hell) is a cat's world is her territory.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jan 2014

Those dogs are part of the territory. What I've learned from Cesar Millan (The Dog Whisperer) is a dog's world is her human/s. The cats are not human so are outside the dog's world.

Now, how both distinguish between what is prey and what isn't, I still don't know yet.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
8. Interesting theory.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

Sam, our lab rescue beagle, though, seems pretty interested in Scout, our 17-year-old cat. He follows her around, at times, and appears to be trying to engage her interest. She is non-confrontive with him, but appears more or less indifferent to the dog.

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
17. my reply...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014





Only the TV remote has caused minor tension in our home

Ice-Shadow and Cat 2.0 (my dad named Cat...at times he doesn't have much imagination)

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
33. Cat 2.0 was a Bengal which is supposed to be some kind of hybrid
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jan 2014

I don't know where she came from. I came home one day and had this strange cat jump into my arms. She was very friendly and adventurous.

Ice Shadow was a wolf hybrid that we adopted. She had a den that she made under my bed.
She also had a degenerative nerve problem and didn't stay with us very long before crossing over the BriFrost. Ice-Shadow was so sweet and loved playing tug of war and having her ears kneaded. We noticed her nerve problems fairly early as she quickly lost the use of hind legs. She didn't make it to long after that. Hopefully she is having fun on the other side and will be happy to see me when it is my turn to go across.

Sorry, I didn't mean to write a sad reply...

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
37. We have our cats and dogs only for a brief time.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:29 PM
Jan 2014

They teach us about the value of life, so we appreciate it more, I think.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
20. LOL! My friend had a father with that kind of naming talent.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jan 2014

They had three kittens named Wynken, Blynken and Nod. Wynken was given away and ever after he referred to the other two as Nod and Not-Nod.

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
23. If you asked a yes/no question
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jan 2014

Did Not-Nod ever nod or did Nod not nod?



My dad would have used Nod and Anti-Nod. Then you would just have to worry if they ever touched each other -




nolabear

(41,959 posts)
19. Well done all around! It would be nice if we could appreciate our differences.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jan 2014

The first thing to help that would be for all of us to feel secure and appreciated and warm and well fed. That we have a valuable place in the world and like the fact that others are doing well too. Your guys obviously feel that way, and you haven't given them any reason to believe otherwise.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
22. Beautiful story. Excellent lesson.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jan 2014

We are all on the same side, for the most part. Letting little differences get us into a flame war seems petty and counter-productive. We should be able to voice our opinions without biting someone who has a differing opinion. A little growl or hiss is really all that is needed, if that. I have always felt that splitting us up on issues is exactly what the conservatives want....and damn it, we shouldn't give them what they want.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
25. Well said!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jan 2014

Our dog was raised by a cat who has since gone of to his Kitty Reward. This results in some odd canine mannerisms.

Luna the dog is now raising Mads the kitten, which is already showing some potential for odd feline mannerisms.

In a few more generations, we may well have created Dats. Or perhaps Cogs.

But they get on famously right now.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
42. Hehe
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jan 2014

a friends basset hound was adopted by him (as a puppy) into a home with a house cat. The dog to this day thinks she's a cat -- nothing like seeing a full grown basset hound surveying her domain curled up on the top of a sofa. Also, she pounces.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
43. Yes, our dog does that, too.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jan 2014

40+ pounds of Chow/Shar-pei/Shiba Inu mix, acting like a cat. Hilarious.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. Beautiful post, MM
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jan 2014

You and your mixed species family are an inspiration to us all . Getting along sometimes means letting arguments go, and accepting differences. Sometimes, it just means liking someone despite a host of disagreements.

Thanks for this, it was a great post, and a good lesson.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. Nice!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jan 2014

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Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
38. My pleasure. Beats the heck out of writing a web
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jan 2014

site about property management, that's for sure.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
40. The dogs are great
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jan 2014

and you are lucky to have pets that hit if off so well.

I can't help but notice that maybe the pets pick up their vibes from you and your wife, who are lucky to have found each other....

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
46. Adult dogs can learn to coexist with resident cats
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jan 2014

I had a spaniel when I was a kid, back when dogs and cats were free range. There was a cat next door and my dog decided to be friendly and sniff her anus. Clawmarks down nose ensued with much canine shrieking and heading for the hills.

Two weeks later, they were inseparable. If they were both outside, they were together.

Some dogs and cats come pretrained to tolerate each other and shelters do introduce unknown quantities to each other to find out cat tolerance by dogs and dog tolerance by cats.

Tell the wife to do this, keep the dog on a short leash and introduce it to a cat known to e dog tolerant. If the dog just sniffs at the cat, it'll be OK. If the dog gets aggressive and has to be hauled back on that leash, get a different dog.

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