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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 02:52 PM Jan 2014

White House Warns Obama Could Go Around Congress

It's been a long time coming.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-could-go-around-congress

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will work with Congress where he can and circumvent lawmakers where he must, his top advisers warned Sunday in previewing Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Obama faces a politically divided Congress on Tuesday and will use his annual address to demand expanded economic opportunity. Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

"I think the way we have to think about this year is we have a divided government," said Dan Pfeiffer, a longtime Obama adviser. "The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda. The president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

So the White House is eyeing compromise on some priorities, Obama advisers said. But the president is also looking at executive orders that can be enacted without Congress' approval.

"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

(end snip)

And for the GOPer whiners, Smirky issued how many executive orders? Go for it, O.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

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White House Warns Obama Could Go Around Congress (Original Post) deminks Jan 2014 OP
But wasn't it bad when Smirky was the Unitary Executive? Lasher Jan 2014 #1
you are freaking kidding aren't you? Whisp Jan 2014 #5
When a president can implement his agenda without congress, it's a good thing hughee99 Jan 2014 #6
It's the right thing to now because, Obama! Lasher Jan 2014 #8
No need for excuses. Good intentions vs. evil intentions. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #11
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Lasher Jan 2014 #12
No it's not. It's paved with loose LEGO pieces which you must walk bare footed. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #14
I think that's what the destination must be like, not the path. Lasher Jan 2014 #16
LOL. kairos12 Jan 2014 #35
Depends on what it's being used for. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #10
The end justifies the means, then? Lasher Jan 2014 #15
You and me both Aerows Jan 2014 #21
Guess he found his magic wand. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #2
Oh no you didn't Phlem Jan 2014 #19
LOL WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #25
Yes, but some of his supporters will have to give up the "he doesn't have a magic wand" hughee99 Jan 2014 #23
I can't wait to hear the rationalization. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #26
Maybe the comfortable shoes will turn up soon. QC Jan 2014 #30
That's a big change from just a few months ago FrodosPet Jan 2014 #36
Fascinating. Wonder what he wants so badly that he's willing to... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #37
Lucy... football... MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #3
O ye of little faith. Lasher Jan 2014 #7
Let it be so, Mr. President fadedrose Jan 2014 #4
As long as what he does puts money into the hands of people who will spend it. bvar22 Jan 2014 #9
I expect this is about pushing the TPP. Marr Jan 2014 #13
I hope that's not the case abelenkpe Jan 2014 #17
to demand expanded economic opportunity? Who's opportunity are we talking about? Phlem Jan 2014 #18
How about getting rid of Race to the Top and Common Core, Obama? liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #20
"There's nothing the President can do with a GOP congress." 1000words Jan 2014 #22
umm, you did read up thread about him finding his magic wand? Phlem Jan 2014 #28
Wonder if he came across those comfortable walking shoes, too. 1000words Jan 2014 #29
Doh! Phlem Jan 2014 #32
Is this a possibility for the TPP? AzDar Jan 2014 #24
Well, they can't say they haven't been playing an "I dare ya" game with him all these years. nt MADem Jan 2014 #27
The RWNJs have claimed that PBO has been ruling with EO's since January 20th, 2009. And calling for freshwest Jan 2014 #31
As long as it is within the law, he should. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #33
It takes a lot of guts to do that YarnAddict Jan 2014 #34

Lasher

(27,575 posts)
1. But wasn't it bad when Smirky was the Unitary Executive?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jan 2014

Now it's good when Obama does the same thing?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
6. When a president can implement his agenda without congress, it's a good thing
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jan 2014

as long as it's a Democrat. Thankfully, we're not giving up the right to complain when some future repuke does the exact same thing, because it will be different then. When that happens, I'm sure we can some up with some weak justification as to why it's not the same.

Lasher

(27,575 posts)
15. The end justifies the means, then?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe Obama will wear a white hat all the time so we can tell the Good Unitary Executive form the Bad Unitary Executive. I'd appreciate that because it's getting harder for me to tell.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. You and me both
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014

My opinions on what is a bad policy don't change just because the particular person implementing them has a different letter behind their name. It's too bad most don't focus on policy and instead latch onto personality/party. That's what leads to the party going astray.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
2. Guess he found his magic wand.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jan 2014

Or pen, so to speak.

"I've got a pen and I’ve got a phone -- and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/14/3532113/obama-to-congress-were-not-waiting.html#storylink=cpy


Better late than never, I suppose.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
25. LOL
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jan 2014

Only took him six years! Funny, those DUers who screamed the loudest about him NOT having a magic wand are conspicuously absent from this thread.

And, oh yeah, the bully pulpit DOES exist. I'll never forget those threads, from way back when!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
23. Yes, but some of his supporters will have to give up the "he doesn't have a magic wand"
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

defense once he uses it.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
26. I can't wait to hear the rationalization.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

I imagine I could head over to People's Spew or The Obama Diary, but it'll be brought to DU soon enough.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
36. That's a big change from just a few months ago
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024092381

At a Democratic National Committee event at SFJazz, a guest continuously yelled "executive order" during the President's speech, and Obama took the time to respond.

"I'm going to actually pause on this issue because a lot of people have been saying this lately on every problem, which is just, 'Sign an executive order and we can pretty much do anything and basically nullify Congress.'"

Some guests began to applaud Obama but he stopped them, explaining that relying only on executive orders is not a good approach.

"Before everybody starts clapping, that's not how it works. We've got this Constitution, we've got this whole thing about separation of powers. So there is no short-cut to politics, and there’s no short-cut to democracy," he said. "We have to win on the merits of the argument with the American people, as laborious as it seems sometimes…What we have to do is keep on going, keep on pushing, and eventually we move in a better direction."
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. Lucy... football...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Will never happen in any meaningful way, that's not what Obama's made of.

Hopefully I'm wrong!

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
4. Let it be so, Mr. President
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

I am happy to see you working at the top of your game and not waiting for some miracle to happen with the Congress...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. As long as what he does puts money into the hands of people who will spend it.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

I consider the Wealth Divide to be one of our most serious national problems.
If President Obama circumvents Congress with Emergency Programs to provide direct relief for our most imperiled population, The Working Class & The Poor, I will enthusiastically support him.

Republican (and 3rd Way) Trickle Down solutions like Tax Cuts, Tax Incentives, Enterprise Zones, Privatization, deregulation, and (Gowd Forbid) MORE "Free Trade" will earn my wrath.


Traditional Democratic Party Solutions:

*Massive Government funded JOBS programs

*Restoration and INCREASES for all Sequester Cuts that affected programs helpful to the Working Class & Poor

*INCREASE in Social Security

*Extend Unemployment

*Debt Forgiveness for Student Loans

*BIG Increase in Minimum Wage

I'll be holding my breath.




You will know them by their WORKS.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
13. I expect this is about pushing the TPP.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jan 2014

You just watch-- that's where it will culminate. The 1% want the TPP, so the democracy act will be suspended, if it proves to be an obstacle.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
18. to demand expanded economic opportunity? Who's opportunity are we talking about?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jan 2014

So are we talking TTP when he looks at executive orders, cause last I checked, trade deals means loss of jobs.

Or maybe he's talking about the 1%



-p

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
28. umm, you did read up thread about him finding his magic wand?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

Seems he's got a pen and a phone and he's not afraid to use it. I'm glad he found it after 5 fucking years.

-p

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
24. Is this a possibility for the TPP?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

I'm confused because I used to understand how our government works. Checks and balances and all that...

Quaint, wasn't it?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. The RWNJs have claimed that PBO has been ruling with EO's since January 20th, 2009. And calling for
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jan 2014
his Impeachment BEFORE he was elected in 2008. The calls have been non-stop, vicious and well funded from a gang which has:

Voted repeatedly to repeal the ACA;

Wants to eliminate the NLRB, Labor Department, DOE, EPA, IRS, SNAP, UE, Social Security, Medicare, VA Hospitals, Medicaid, AFDC, and any other program that seeks to maintain public order and democratic means to decrease inequality;

Which did not want to renew the VAWA, the VRA, and called for the end of all taxes except on working people, a national right-to-work law, an end fo minimum wage and child labor laws, to pass personhood laws to reduce women to concubines.

In addition to that they wanted the federal government to default on its debt, as they gleefully pronounced how they'd love the chance to get to 'manage catastrophe' inorder to eliminate all of the above;

And who have a state-by-state plan to have a Constitutional convention by turning the state legislature RED as Paul Ryan has bragged they will do to re-write the Constitution to suit his masters the Koch brothers.

The stated reason to REPEAL the 14th Amendment is to deny Birthright Citizenship; but most Americans are unaware of the greater threat, for the 14th Amendment also includes Due Process and Equal treatement under the Law, as the 4th that is shrieked about, did not do what the 14th, 15th and 16th were needed to do:

Eliminate the practice of outright slavery in the United States. Strike down the 14th, and the legal system protecting our rights as individuals we have grown up in, repealing many more amendments, as they have attacked everyone of them.

They want is under direct corporate, free market rule, as described in this DUer's post. A part of which I will put here. It shreds to pieces the NJ Libertarian Party platform, seen through the link in the thread:

Libertarianism:

...Rather than making taxpayers pay for toxic waste cleanups, the polluters should be held liable for material damage done by them. This includes, but is not limited to, any adverse health consequences as well as cleanup and remediation.

Sounds good in theory, but let me give a specific example. In the 1920s, on the boundary between Geneva and St Charles, Illinois, there was a factory which produced watches with radium dials. The company went out of business in the 1930s, and the factory was demolished. About 25 years ago, it was discovered that the soil around the old factory was polluted with radioactive compounds, which were leeching into the groundwater. Now, who is to clean up this pollution? The company which caused it no longer exists. The people who currently live near there simply can't afford it.

We oppose government control of resource use through eminent domain, zoning laws, building codes, rent control, regional planning, urban renewal, or purchase of development rights with tax money. Such regulations and programs violate property rights, discriminate against minorities, create housing shortages, and tend to cause higher rents.

So if I decide to put a hog farm on my suburban property -- currently forbidden by zoning laws -- there is no way to stop me. Once more, the person who wrote this is unable to think through what his idiotic declaration actually means.

We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the New Jersey Department of Transportation, and the transfer of their legitimate functions to competitive private firms.

So the street passing in front of my house should become a toll road?

SNAP! That;s what I call a zinger!

...We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.

Before passage of the Clean Water Act and creation of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Cuyahoga River in Ohio used to catch on fire because of pollution. It wasn't corporations or the free market that cleaned up the Cuyahoga, it was the government. So their pretense that government "has a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection" is a lie. Libertarians saying that corporations would act to clean up their own pollution is simply more evidence that libertarians prefer fantasy over reality...


The individual's right to privacy, property, and right to speak or not to speak should not be infringed by the government. The government should not use electronic or other means of covert surveillance of an individual's actions or private property without the consent of the owner or occupant. Correspondence, bank and other financial transactions and records, doctors' and lawyers' communications, employment records, and the like should not be open to review by government without the consent of all parties involved in those actions.


If they really mean what this seems to say, then seeking documentary evidence of criminal acts would be impossible, since a suspect would have absolute veto power over any searches. Libertarians claim to oppose fraud, but the person who wrote that -- and the members of the party who passed that platform -- clearly do not mean it when they say it.


The late Iain Banks defined libertarianism as "A simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard."

to Fortinbras Armstrong, and much more of use at the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024324819

The gang Obama is facing, and he knows this very well, are putting their 'Tenther' scam in action to eliminate the same Constitution they claim to want to protect. Because they want a return to the Articles of Confederation with no Bill of Rights and without the protections against the monied powers of today, no more than people had then.

The gang that Obama is confronted with is spiritual and intellectual kin with what Lincoln was confronted with over a hundred years ago. He has said that Social Security will not be privatized on his watch, nor will he allow many other regressive things to be done that the media has massaged the public mind to think what must be done to survive.

Expect a full throated yell for his Impeachment soon on the basis of this change of tactics with a mob that wants to eliminate the federal government in its entirety. Only a fool wants it, as the reactionary groups are ready to fill in the gap, with the deaths of millions as their dessert. We are in a very perilous time and surrounded by traitors to the Constitution and the 'United States of America.'

Obama does not refer to our nation as just the 'United States' as some GOP do. He uses the full name, as it is an idealized nation, that MLK said we are still endeavoring to perfect.

EO's are not as a big deal in some ways, but in others not so much. Just wait for the further calls for Obama's death as the Ignoratti get excited.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
33. As long as it is within the law, he should.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jan 2014

But the president, in our system, isn't a king, and he can't just issue decrees like one. What is done now will have an effect now, but also set precedent, and that should be kept in mind. I don't want to wind up with an office of dictator, regardless of who is in power.

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