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So, the detention facility at Guantanamo is going to close in 2014. Does anyone believe that? (Original Post) Pterodactyl Jan 2014 OP
Yes. pinto Jan 2014 #1
No. marble falls Jan 2014 #2
Well, if it doesn't frazzled Jan 2014 #3
Obama himself has not been making this a high priority. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #4
What do you suggest he do .... frazzled Jan 2014 #10
He COULD try working on the Dems in the Senate. Some of them have stood in the way. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #13
There are 54 senators in the D caucus davidpdx Jan 2014 #25
Yes, ProSense Jan 2014 #21
Yes, he has.. you just aren't aware of it.. Cha Jan 2014 #23
About as much as I expect frog marches on Wall Street 1000words Jan 2014 #5
So that'd be a no! Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #6
Oh, that'd be a ... 1000words Jan 2014 #9
Yes because the Republicans have stopped fighting it. I think Obama compromised on something because okaawhatever Jan 2014 #7
sure why not. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #8
It depends on Congressional opposition ending, as made clear in the SoTU: struggle4progress Jan 2014 #11
To be transferred to indefinite detention elsewhere. USA! USA! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #16
There seem to be about 155 still held there, of whom about 45 struggle4progress Jan 2014 #17
As if our own prisons are the paragon of progressiveness. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #19
The sloganeering seems vacuous to me, and I see no particular advantage to jumbling struggle4progress Jan 2014 #22
Allowing the transfers MAY only solve one of these three issues hughee99 Jan 2014 #24
Some of the detainees own countries do not want them back... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #26
I believed it in 2008, why wouldn't I pscot Jan 2014 #12
Winner: Best response! Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #14
It may close but the inmates transferred to another detention. Indefinitely. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #15
Of course not, do I have any reason to? Rex Jan 2014 #18
Not me. Iggo Jan 2014 #20

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. Well, if it doesn't
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jan 2014

it won't be Obama's fault. Congress has actively prevented it for 5 years now, since he first wrote the executive order to close it upon taking office. And he repeated his demand to them tonight:

this needs to be the year Congress lifts the remaining restrictions on detainee transfers and we close the prison at Guantanamo Bay


That's clear. Write your senators and congressperson: lift the restrictions they have placed on him.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. What do you suggest he do ....
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jan 2014

yell louder at the House Republicans? Do you think that will really work? Does anything he prioritizes change their minds?

He has been releasing prisoners to foreign countries over the past year, where he can; but without the restrictions being lifted and funding being restored, it's not going to be completed.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
25. There are 54 senators in the D caucus
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:23 AM
Jan 2014

Please remind me how many it actually takes to get to the floor for a vote. Yeah, 60. He would have to get 6 Republicans as well. So please name for me which 6 you think he can convince. I'd put Collins down for a maybe.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
21. Yes,
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:05 AM
Jan 2014

"Obama himself has not been making this a high priority."

...he has.

ACLU Statement on President's Guantánamo Comments

NEW YORK – At a press briefing today, President Obama restated his belief that the prison at Guantánamo should be closed. Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, responded to the president's comments by detailing immediate actions the president could take.

"We welcome the president's continuing commitment to closing Guantánamo and putting an end to the indefinite detention regime there," Romero said. "There are two things the president should do. One is to appoint a senior point person so that the administration's Guantánamo closure policy is directed by the White House and not by Pentagon bureaucrats. The president can also order the secretary of defense to start certifying for transfer detainees who have been cleared, which is more than half the Guantánamo population."

"There's more to be done, but these are the two essential first steps the president can take now to break the Guantánamo logjam," Romero said. "We couldn't agree more with President Obama's statement that the 'idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried – that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.'"

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform-human-rights-national-security-prisoners-rights/aclu-statement-presidents


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo

WASHINGTON – President Obama today appointed lawyer Clifford Sloan as the State Department's special envoy in charge of closing the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

"The appointment of a new envoy at the State Department for closing Guantánamo puts in place one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting the prison closed," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The president now has ordered the restart of transfers out of Guantánamo, lifted the moratorium on transfers to Yemen, and appointed top officials at the White House and State Department to get it done. Once President Obama makes the necessary appointment at the Pentagon to begin transferring detainees out of Guantánamo, he should immediately begin doing so. With more than half of the detainees already cleared for transfer or release, and dozens more being held without ever being charged or tried, it's time to start sending these men home."

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility

WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel today appointed Paul Lewis as the special envoy for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. In his new position, Lewis will work with the State Department on transferring detainees out of the prison to other countries.

Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, had this comment:

"The American Civil Liberties Union is pleased that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has filled the important position of Defense Department envoy for closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We had been concerned about the lengthy delay in filling this critical job that the president ordered created as part of his National Defense University speech in May,” said Anders. “Paul Lewis has three decades of experience working on national security and rule of law issues at the highest levels of government. In his new position, he will play a critical role in carrying out the president’s commitment to close Guantanamo for good."

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility


Senate Eases Transfer Restrictions for Guantánamo Detainees

WASHINGTON – The Senate late last night passed the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2014, which will ease transfer restrictions for detainees currently held at the military detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, most of whom have been held without charge or trial for over a decade. The bill, which passed the House of Representatives last week, cleared the Senate by a vote of 84-15. The improved transfer provisions were sponsored by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin and were strongly supported by the White House and the Defense Department.

"This is a big step forward for meeting the goal of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention. For the first time ever, Congress is making it easier, rather than harder, for the Defense Department to close Guantánamo – and this win only happened because the White House and Defense Secretary worked hand in hand with the leadership of the congressional committees," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "After years of a blame-game between Congress and the White House, both worked together to clear away obstacles to transferring out of Guantánamo the vast majority of detainees who have never been charged with a crime."

The current population at Guantánamo stands at 158 detainees, approximately half of whom were cleared for transfer to their home or third-party countries by U.S. national security officials four years ago. Also, periodic review boards have recently started reviews of detainees who have not been charged with a crime and had not been cleared in the earlier reviews. While the legislation eases the transfer restrictions for sending detainees to countries abroad, it continues to prohibit the transfer of detainees to the United States for any reason, including for trial or medical emergencies.

"There has been a sea change on the Guantánamo issue, both in Congress and at the White House. With the president’s renewed commitment to closing it, and the support of Congress, there now is reason to hope that the job of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention can get done before the president leaves office," said Anders. "As big as this win is, there is more work left to be done. The Defense Department has to use the new transfer provisions to step up transfers out of Guantánamo, and Congress needs to remove the remaining ban on using federal criminal courts to try detainees."

President Obama is expected to sign the defense bill into law before the end of the year.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/senate-eases-transfer-restrictions-guantanamo-detainees


U.S. Moves Closer to Closing Guantanamo Bay

By Julian E. Barnes

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon said it has transferred the last three ethnic Uighur Chinese nationals from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Slovakia in what it called "a significant milestone in our effort to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay."

Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a written statement that Yusef Abbas, Saidullah Khalik and Hajiakbar Abdul Ghuper are "voluntarily resettling in Slovakia," leaving 155 detainees at Guantanamo.

The three men were the last of 22 ethnic Uighurs captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and ordered released from Guantanamo under an Oct. 7, 2008, federal court ruling. The 22 men have ended up being resettled to six different countries, the Pentagon said.

Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel for advocacy group Human Rights Watch, said the transfer was an important moment. "The Uighurs had nothing to do with any conflict with the United States," she said. "It is a stark symbol of what was wrong with Guantanamo, with what was wrong with just sweeping people up and detaining them in an offshore facility."

- more -

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292270871879140


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Fortunately and finally, at the end of 2013, the Uighurs--a persecuted religious minority from China--have left Guantanamo.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/free-uighurs

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
7. Yes because the Republicans have stopped fighting it. I think Obama compromised on something because
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:37 AM
Jan 2014

at some point last year, shortly after the SOTU all the rhetoric stopped. I know Obama appointed another person to head the closure so all he needed was the money for the move and a country willing to take the 160 whose birth countries wouldn't allow them to come back.

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
11. It depends on Congressional opposition ending, as made clear in the SoTU:
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jan 2014
... this needs to be the year Congress lifts the remaining restrictions on detainee transfers and we close the prison at Guantanamo Bay ...

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
17. There seem to be about 155 still held there, of whom about 45
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jan 2014

are still on an "indefinite detention" list

About half of the 155 are "cleared for release"; Mahmud Mujahid recently convinced the parole board to move his name from the "indefinite detention" list to the "cleared for release" list

I think the rest are on a trial list: the desirable outcome, of course, would be civilian-court trials rather than trial by the military commissions W proposed

So there are three separate problems: the "indefinite detention" problem, the problem of actually relocating those "cleared for release"; and the problem of obtaining civilian-court trials for the rest

None of these are solved by continuing to hold anyone at Guantanamo

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. As if our own prisons are the paragon of progressiveness.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:46 AM
Jan 2014

And yes, there is the "indefinite detention" tragedy.

But hey! Wherever these human beings are warehoused will be a success for Obama to "progressives"."

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
22. The sloganeering seems vacuous to me, and I see no particular advantage to jumbling
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:16 AM
Jan 2014

different subjects indiscriminately together

You and I can probably agree on what we think about many US prisons, state or federal, but the reality is that no one will really give a flying fuck what either of us thinks -- if one wants to works towards (say) prison reform, one needs to be able to lay out facts accurately and understandably, in order to convince other people that there are precise issues that need to be addressed

A similar remark applies to Guantanamo: to discuss the matter cogently with members of the public, one must be able to explain the issues accurately and understandably, and I have here tried to point out three rather different issues at Guantanamo, which I think require solution

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
24. Allowing the transfers MAY only solve one of these three issues
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jan 2014

which based on your numbers (45 on "indefinite detention", another 75 "cleared for release" with no country to release them to) affects about 30-35 of the 155 people that are on neither list and just awaiting trial. If congress gives the president everything he wants on this, there's still going to be 120 people (80%) the government is holding and has no idea what to do with. They'll keep the base open until they figure out what to do with those 120 people, and the president (this one and the next one) will continue to blame congress for blocking them from "fixing" a problem they have no idea how to fix.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
12. I believed it in 2008, why wouldn't I
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jan 2014

believe it now. And I'll probably believe it in 2016 when Hillary says it.

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