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RandySF

(58,770 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:15 AM Jan 2014

I'm not upset with the president for honoring that soldier.

After all, this is someone Obama met prior to the injury. What makes me nauseous is the roomful of vultures wearing suits and uniforms applauding him after they ruined his life with 10 deployments.

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I'm not upset with the president for honoring that soldier. (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2014 OP
someone PLEASE tell me WHY ARE WE STILL THERE Skittles Jan 2014 #1
We're trying to end the conflict responsibly. Oakenshield Jan 2014 #6
"Because the US Army doesn't give up, it doesn't quit"...just like Sgt Remsburg. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #8
70% of the world's heroin supply, hughee99 Jan 2014 #103
I am upset that he endured 10 deployments. Rex Jan 2014 #2
IF HE WASN'T INJURED HE'D BE DEPLOYED AGAIN Skittles Jan 2014 #3
I don't know why Skittles. Rex Jan 2014 #5
I don't understand so many DUers Skittles Jan 2014 #7
I gave up trying to understand it. Rex Jan 2014 #9
Has it occurred to anyone that the example of this young man was a strong one Skidmore Jan 2014 #46
Of course it is an example of strength, he survived what no one should have to survive Rex Jan 2014 #84
Maybe because it's only devastating to a few. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #47
We've never been in a war that's lasted this long. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #45
His superiors should be ashamed of themselves, 10 deployments is vulgar. Rex Jan 2014 #85
That number is deceptive hack89 Jan 2014 #72
There are plenty of Rangers. He didn't have to go for a 10th time. Rex Jan 2014 #86
That number of deployments is common for special forces hack89 Jan 2014 #89
How do you know he was a Ranger for all 10 deployments? Rex Jan 2014 #93
ok. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #96
And then tx for PTSD is so lacking siligut Jan 2014 #80
I don't get how that's even allowed to happen to anyone. alarimer Jan 2014 #91
Should be criminal imo. Rex Jan 2014 #94
Me either. He is a very stark reminder of the real damage that is being done to our soldiers. What's okaawhatever Jan 2014 #4
Huh? Why would anyone be upset for honoring a soldier? JaneyVee Jan 2014 #10
Um... because of the tragedy of deploying him 10 times FOR AN ILLEGAL WAR FOR A PR PROP? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #12
So he shouldn't get public recognition & appreciation? JaneyVee Jan 2014 #14
No, he should be kept hidden away like the "circus freak" he is. joshcryer Jan 2014 #18
10 deployments is sickening. And so is comparing a disfigured soldier to a circus freak. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #20
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #31
Yeah, chicken hawk for withdrawing from two wars. joshcryer Jan 2014 #33
One war. He withdrew from one war. morningfog Jan 2014 #49
He began withdrawing troops from Afghanistan in 2011. joshcryer Jan 2014 #53
It is objectively true. morningfog Jan 2014 #56
drawdown = withdrawing joshcryer Jan 2014 #58
A round of beer for that one davidpdx Jan 2014 #35
A PR prop Really? Hobo Jan 2014 #17
How soon they forget... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #26
Exactly. ODS isn't pretty/ n/t FSogol Jan 2014 #44
ODS exists only in the minds of fanboys. morningfog Jan 2014 #50
Uh huh. FSogol Jan 2014 #54
They deployed him10 times so they'd have a good prop for the 2014 SOTU speech? uppityperson Jan 2014 #28
Especially the chickenhawks. moondust Jan 2014 #11
A chickenhawk like Obama. Who hasn't served but sends humans into war. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #22
which wars would you have Obama enlist in? Whisp Jan 2014 #34
+1 nt narnian60 Jan 2014 #52
the have come unhinged nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #62
But ODS doesn't exist!!!... SidDithers Jan 2014 #64
+100. sked14 Jan 2014 #79
Wow - you do realize leftynyc Jan 2014 #61
What the hell? HappyMe Jan 2014 #78
Using hin for a PR prop. It is sickening. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #13
He volunteered to attend and be honored by the commander in chief. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #15
No, he has no agency of his own; the so-called progressives decide whether he was a "prop" alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #16
They're just trying to win internet points. joshcryer Jan 2014 #19
Yep...you said a mouthful... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #27
Indeed. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #21
Obama gives a shit flamingdem Jan 2014 #23
Did you read this article, flamingdem? Cha Jan 2014 #25
quite an enlightening thread I think.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #29
Thanks, Randy.. for the Cha Jan 2014 #24
What a story! That moment had great depth considering their flamingdem Jan 2014 #30
Yes, it was a Cha Jan 2014 #32
I was elated with the Presidents speech tonight. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #36
My heart, too, she.. Cha Jan 2014 #37
Heavy heart Cha... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #38
.. Cha Jan 2014 #39
Quite the enlightening thread Victor_c3 Jan 2014 #40
Thank you for your perceptive and personal testimony, Victor... Surya Gayatri Jan 2014 #41
If all the young Republicans who supported Bush's wars would have signed up to fight Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #42
There are quite a number service members here who understand. joshcryer Jan 2014 #43
Thanks to you and Victor for sharing your perspectives. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #73
He is a Ranger - they do lots of short deployments hack89 Jan 2014 #48
I'd be interested in seeing his total time. morningfog Jan 2014 #51
Army rotation = 12 months. Ranger rotation = 3-6 months. joshcryer Jan 2014 #57
DU seems to be the only place in the world where people are pissed about it. arely staircase Jan 2014 #55
That, and right wingers upset about the "politicization." joshcryer Jan 2014 #59
they are also joined by some longtimers who have hated him from day one arely staircase Jan 2014 #60
And yet they're convinced the leftynyc Jan 2014 #63
and to express such outrage with the ever eloquent use of the F word as the title of the OP... Phentex Jan 2014 #65
I don't see any swearing in the OP (n/t) leftynyc Jan 2014 #67
not this op... Phentex Jan 2014 #68
+1 redqueen Jan 2014 #74
The perpetually disgruntled can find a new outrage anywhere. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #75
It's like being addicted to air. 'Fixes' are always easy to come by. randome Jan 2014 #87
Neither am I Progressive dog Jan 2014 #66
I agree with you. Though President Obama set him up for it. Mira Jan 2014 #69
Being a Vietnam Vet madokie Jan 2014 #70
+1 nt MADem Jan 2014 #77
madokie ... Raine1967 Jan 2014 #81
+100. sked14 Jan 2014 #82
+1 Vietnam vet too! B Calm Jan 2014 #83
+++ Whisp Jan 2014 #88
+10000000 madokie Jan 2014 #95
do me a favor, please Skittles Jan 2014 #98
Its not Obama's fault that we're still there madokie Jan 2014 #99
ok, the wand again Skittles Jan 2014 #100
Please what does that mean? madokie Jan 2014 #101
How many more deployments before Obama leaves office... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #71
correct Skittles Jan 2014 #97
I feel like they always trot out some service member(s) Puzzledtraveller Jan 2014 #76
Bingo alarimer Jan 2014 #92
I am also not upset Gothmog Jan 2014 #90
I am also not upset Gothmog Jan 2014 #102
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. "Because the US Army doesn't give up, it doesn't quit"...just like Sgt Remsburg.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jan 2014

That's kind of the subtext in Obama's whole "just like the Army he loves, Sergeant Remsburg doesn't give up, doesn't quit, he's a fighter" line, no?

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
3. IF HE WASN'T INJURED HE'D BE DEPLOYED AGAIN
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:18 AM
Jan 2014

WTF is wrong with DU -so many members seem entirely DISCONNECTED from what is still happening there

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. I don't know why Skittles.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jan 2014

I watched a wonderful family destroyed after 3 deployments to Iraq. I cannot imagine the hell he went through by going into a warzone 10 times over. That is a disgrace by his superiors to HIM as a human being imo.

Then again, military professionals are time honored props to be used by politicians of all political stripes. Maybe the disconnect comes from the overall desensitization we went through during the BFEE years via the M$M.

It is sad to watch.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
7. I don't understand so many DUers
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jan 2014

they'd be SCREAMING if this sensless war was still in progress under a republican, and RIGHTFULLY SO

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. I gave up trying to understand it.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:32 AM
Jan 2014

The shame in sending soldiers to war until they are nothing but nubs of meat and bone should be embarrassing to all here.

The fact that we started one war illegally and never put the effort needed into the other is not just embarrassing, but endlessly tragic for the thousands of families that go to bed at night missing their son or daughter or father or mother.

I am ashamed.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
46. Has it occurred to anyone that the example of this young man was a strong one
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:23 AM
Jan 2014

to shore up the argument the President was making that we do not need to enter other wars? When you have Rs jonesing for more war and actually coming on teevee afterwards to complain that the President was against the military, the presence of this young man cast a glaring light on the insatiable greed of the war machine and those in Congress who are invested in feeding it. I don't understand why this young man's presence was not seen as an example of this. And, yes, giving him a bit of time to be honored also was just fine with me.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
84. Of course it is an example of strength, he survived what no one should have to survive
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jan 2014

10 deployments! THIS IS NOT about Obama, I wish people could be objective enough to treat this as what it is...an abuse of power by his superiors that should have dam well known better!

10 deployments means we have failed our military professionals, but keep making excuses for the government if you want to. I find it sickening.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
47. Maybe because it's only devastating to a few.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:26 AM
Jan 2014

23 years of war in the region, and a few thousand dead Americans. Compared to less time in Vietnam, with TENS of thousand dead Americans. So the M.E. doesn't get the same coverage or attention as VN. And, there is no draft.

But it seems to me that DU members are not entirely disconnected, we have plenty of discussions about the region and our involvement. There may be some sense of resignation, that whatever we do, whoever we elect, there is no exit.

I don't think it's the biggest issue, on DU, or in the country. Marriage equality, gun control, abortion, and lately income inequality seem to be politically hotter topics. Even medical (or recreational) marijuana gets more press. And then there's the weather.



JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
45. We've never been in a war that's lasted this long.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:13 AM
Jan 2014

So the number of deployments is new territory, too.

We started shooting in 1991, and we're still there. Plenty of time for ten deployments.

And there's no draft, so no large source of fresh troops.

Maybe we should get out of there. But it looks like that won't happen for a long time.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
72. That number is deceptive
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 10:30 AM
Jan 2014

he is a Ranger. Rangers, like all special forces, do lots of short deployments as opposed to long one year deployments. They usually deploy for two or three months of intensive operations before returning to base to train and plan for their next operation.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
86. There are plenty of Rangers. He didn't have to go for a 10th time.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

Sorry, but 10 deployments is a vulgar display of power and abuse.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
89. That number of deployments is common for special forces
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

instead of spending 12 months in combat, they spend two-three months.

The question to ask is how many months he spent in combat. I doubt you will find it to be an extraordinarily high number.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
93. How do you know he was a Ranger for all 10 deployments?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jan 2014

That is assuming a lot imo. Bottom line, 10 is 10 too many when there is no exit strategy to a war most Americans don't even think about anymore. It is shameful.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
80. And then tx for PTSD is so lacking
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

It basically amounts to psychological, if not physical torture.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
91. I don't get how that's even allowed to happen to anyone.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jan 2014

Surely after 2-3 times, you get to spend your time serving somewhere else.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
4. Me either. He is a very stark reminder of the real damage that is being done to our soldiers. What's
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:23 AM
Jan 2014

the expression, One death is a headline, a million is a statistic?
I think that is really the underlying point. Yes, he's resilient and will go on, but it was also: here is what this is doing. Here is what war looks like when an American is wearing it. This is what we all let Bush lie us into. I think tonight people will applaud his courage, but in the back of their mind the seed was planted that we are seriously f'ing up our young men and women.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. No, he should be kept hidden away like the "circus freak" he is.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:50 AM
Jan 2014

Obviously.

Note: the poster you were responding to claimed this man was "Dragged out like a circus freak."

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
20. 10 deployments is sickening. And so is comparing a disfigured soldier to a circus freak.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:53 AM
Jan 2014

Probably the best day of his life since his tragedy occurred.

Response to joshcryer (Reply #18)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
33. Yeah, chicken hawk for withdrawing from two wars.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:12 AM
Jan 2014

As promised. Nevermind he doesn't get any credit for withdrawing from Iraq since "Bush was the one who did that."

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
56. It is objectively true.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:22 AM
Jan 2014

We have not "withdrawn" from Afghanistan. We have started to withdraw, maybe we are even withdrawing. But, we have only withdrawn from Iraq.

I said Obama surged in Afghanistan and we are still there. Both statements are true.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
58. drawdown = withdrawing
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:35 AM
Jan 2014

He promised to withdraw "responsibly." We can disagree on whether the slow draw down is "responsible" (we probably would agree that it wasn't "responsible&quot but Obama is a man of his word. I do not believe he thinks personally he is being irresponsible.

It's OK for him to be wrong. It's OK for us to say it was wrong to withdraw so slowly.

The surge was before his second term, he promised to withdraw by the end of his first time, and he lived up to that promise. You don't have to like it, but Obama, in his first term, began withdrawing from Afghanistan, as promised in 2008.

We will be out of Afghanistan (with the exception of training troops) by the end of this year. Those remaining training troops, can of course be considered a mistake, but again, Obama promised to responsibly withdraw. If he believes that the training troops are necessary, that is his mistake, but it doesn't violate is campaign promise. If you voted for him you voted for that action.

Hobo

(757 posts)
17. A PR prop Really?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:49 AM
Jan 2014



Haters are just gonna hate. Again a so called Dem too. Just remember it could have been President Romney giving that speech today.


Hobo

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
28. They deployed him10 times so they'd have a good prop for the 2014 SOTU speech?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:28 AM
Jan 2014

Wow, that takes real planning, to plan that far ahead.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
34. which wars would you have Obama enlist in?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:27 AM
Jan 2014

You want/wanted him to quit Prezzing and go to Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or you think he should have gone to Vietnam when he was 5 years old?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
61. Wow - you do realize
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jan 2014

that's the same charge the cretins on the right use, don't you? Do you think all Presidents should have served in the military or they have no right to send troops anywhere?

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
78. What the hell?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jan 2014


What wars has Obama started? Should he have served in Viet Nam when he was 5 or 6?


Yet people will howl that there isn't any derangement syndrome. Criticism is one thing, but this kind of thing is ridiculous.
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
16. No, he has no agency of his own; the so-called progressives decide whether he was a "prop"
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:47 AM
Jan 2014

No wonder these people can't get more than 5% in an election. Their condescension is jaw-dropping.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
19. They're just trying to win internet points.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:52 AM
Jan 2014

This really is a stupid ass argument to be making and when they get offline they'll realize just how asinine they were being.

I expect William Pitt's apology post in the next day or two once it sinks in just how mind numbingly stupid this argument is.

Note: I understand where they are coming from, my stomach didn't sit right as those people applauded that man for his service. But I was more taken by Obama's calls against endless war, calls against being a war state, and urgency for diplomacy moving forward. We'll be out of Afghanistan by the end of this year.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. Yep...you said a mouthful...
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:26 AM
Jan 2014

they just cannot understand...but they drip with hatred and wonder why they are not seen as attractive...

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
23. Obama gives a shit
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 02:57 AM
Jan 2014

and the teabaggers and the so called progressives on view throw shit and can't make it stick.

That was a beautiful moment of unity, Obama didn't start that war.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
29. quite an enlightening thread I think....
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:29 AM
Jan 2014

so many who just spoke right up and admitted they didn't watch...but either took a position on it without any evidence at all...or just decided to let someone else do the thinking for them.

I was LMAO For real!

Cha

(297,154 posts)
24. Thanks, Randy.. for the
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:13 AM
Jan 2014

clarification. It's deplorable that St Cory Remsburg was deployed 10 times..

"President and Soldier: 3 Meetings, and a Lesson in Resilience"

"WASHINGTON — Three times, mainly by chance and in very different circumstances, Sgt. First Class Cory Remsburg has met President Obama..

Meeting No. 1 Normandy, France, was the site of the first interaction between Mr. Obama and Sergeant Remsburg, where they commemorated the 65th anniversary of the D-Day landing on June 6, 2009.
They were introduced near Omaha Beach in France in 2009, when Sergeant Remsburg was part of a select Army Ranger group chosen to re-enact a parachute drop for celebrations of the 65th anniversary of the D-Day landings in World War II. The second meeting came less than a year later at a military hospital outside Washington,
where Mr. Obama was stunned to see among the wounded troops from Afghanistan a familiar young man — now brain-damaged, a track of fresh stitches across his skull, and partly paralyzed.

The third time was two weeks ago in a private visit in Phoenix, where Sergeant Remsburg did something that neither Mr. Obama nor military doctors would once have predicted: he stood up and saluted his commander in chief."

snip//

"Former President George W. Bush and other commanders in chief paid many visits to the wounded, but Mr. Obama’s intersections with one warrior’s life-altering path are unusual. Aides could not name any other wounded service member whom Mr. Obama has met three times, nor any other who first stood before the commander in chief in battle-ready prime.


For Sergeant Remsburg, the meetings have been “very humbling,” he said in a phone interview last weekend. For Mr. Obama, the soldier has come to personify the challenges endured by more than 50,000 men and women wounded in the two wars of the last decade, many facing recoveries that “will last a lifetime,” as the president recently said."

the rest..
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/us/politics/obama-and-a-soldier-3-meetings-and-a-lesson-in-resilience.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Heather Mac http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024405329

St Remsburg

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
30. What a story! That moment had great depth considering their
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:29 AM
Jan 2014

relationship, not contrived at all and absolutely relevant.

Thanks Cha!!

Cha

(297,154 posts)
32. Yes, it was a
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:45 AM
Jan 2014

compellingly poignant, relevant history of St Cory Remsburg's "resilience" and it's really sad that it would be ignorantly used to foment divisive shit on DU.

flamingem

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
36. I was elated with the Presidents speech tonight.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:33 AM
Jan 2014

Yet, I come back to DU and I am so sad at what I am reading.

Cory was a hero that the President honored. They had a history of meets. What an awesome young man, so proud of what he did, yet DU takes that away from him. These DU'ers have never served... some maybe, yet they call him a tool. They disrespect him.

Breaks my heart Cha.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
37. My heart, too, she..
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:44 AM
Jan 2014

.. the ugliness used to spread lies about the sincerity of Sgt Cory Remsburg and the President is expected of teabaggers but, you'd think others would be more thoughtful and want the whole story(read facts) before knee jerking into oblivion.

You're up early or stayed up late! she~

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
40. Quite the enlightening thread
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 05:27 AM
Jan 2014

I was both livid and sad by what I saw and I agree with the OP.

There is a lot going on in that Soldier's mind that many of you would never understand unless you've experienced it yourself. I detest the wars and I hated them, but the hardest and worst part of it all is/was coming home. I'm in a position now where I'll never go back, but there is nothing I want more right now than to go back to the very war I hated. To those of us who have deployed, going back to another deployment is like seeing an old friend and is a reprieve . Civilian life is hard and stressful. Wars are brutally simple and honest. You go out on your daily patrol and you either make it back or you don't. Too easy.

What should the President have done? Ignored the war and the people whose lives he has affected? (yes, I do know that he didn't start the war, but he has allowed it to continue). It's a shame that there is a war over there and that this Soldier was wounded for a BS cause, but at least he is being acknowledged. Coming home and realizing that most people don't give a damn about your sacrifice and your pain is something most of you have never experienced. The sense of alienation and isolation I feel as a civilian is astounding.

I joined the Army with a noble and misguided intent. I meant to make the world a better place and I believed that the Army would only be used as a force for good. I was 17 years old and was a complete product of my upbringing. I realize in hindsight that I was stupid to ever believe that, but at least I stepped forward and was willing to risk everything for a cause - something most people would never be willing to do.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
41. Thank you for your perceptive and personal testimony, Victor...
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:11 AM
Jan 2014

I wish you would start an OP with your post, especially this paragraph:

"What should the President have done? Ignored the war and the people whose lives he has affected? (yes, I do know that he didn't start the war, but he has allowed it to continue). It's a shame that there is a war over there and that this Soldier was wounded for a BS cause, but at least he is being acknowledged. Coming home and realizing that most people don't give a damn about your sacrifice and your pain is something most of you have never experienced. The sense of alienation and isolation I feel as a civilian is astounding."

There are lots of arrogant, doctrinaire assholes on this board who dare to speak of and for Cory Remsburg, portraying him as some sort of witless pawn and the President as some diabolical warmonger. Their condescension and insensibility never cease to amaze.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
42. If all the young Republicans who supported Bush's wars would have signed up to fight
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:18 AM
Jan 2014

them, no soldier would have had to be deployed ten times. Why didn't they go risk their lives for the cause they claimed to believe in?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
43. There are quite a number service members here who understand.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:24 AM
Jan 2014

They would not appreciate the "prop" "gimmick" "faux patriotism" posts. One thing I've recognized is that most of those service members just stay out of it. Part of me feels they are pained by the disingenuous posturing for internet points, another part just tells me they don't feel like getting involved because they know those here who make such posts are ignorant.

Thanks for your post and your sincere and thoughtful reply.

Obama as Commander in Chief could have unilaterally left Iraq and Afghanistan in a heart beat, literally one order, but he said at his nomination speech that he would do so "responsibly." Has he been slow on the uptake? No question. Has he been "irresponsible?" I don't think I am convinced of that. He had two wars handed to him and he had to consider how to get us out of the respective quagmires as best as possible. Maybe his intel was off, maybe he had bad advisers (likely), but I think Obama, the person, did everything he could to as quickly as possible remove troops from the wars they were embedded in by the previous administration. And I think the entire thing was conditioned on responsibly ending those wars, without leaving behind the mess the previous administration put him in. He said he wanted to train Afghani troops, he'll probably leave office with those trainers still working in Afghanistan. Is this a bad idea? Probably. Is it him wanting to make the best of a shitty situation with responsibility in mind? Certainly.

One can be wrong yet still have the best of intentions. It's when people start shitting on potential intentions, like, perhaps one might with your intention to serve your country, when people show their true character. And that's what you're seeing here in this thread.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
48. He is a Ranger - they do lots of short deployments
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:33 AM
Jan 2014

Which is typical of Special Forces. If you were to actually add up all his time in combat it most likely would not be that much more than the typical combat arms soldier.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
57. Army rotation = 12 months. Ranger rotation = 3-6 months.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jan 2014

So he was deployed 30-60 months. An Army guy in Afghanistan over 10 years would have been deployed 72 months. In Iraq 52 months. This is assuming a 12 month recoup time for Army, with no recoup time for rangers. In reality rangers get 1 day recoup (dwell) time for every day abroad, so you can half it to 15-30 months deployed, in reality, but the deployments probably varied.

The thing is that he was, as a ranger, in a very very hostile and debilitating territory. A lot of military men never even saw combat. This guy was at the front lines the entire time. It was only a matter of time before he got injured.

That should be the real takeaway, not that he went out 10 times, but that he was forced to go out 10 times. Showing that the US's war expansion was unsupportable from the beginning. And that's what Obama effectively said. No more war state.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
59. That, and right wingers upset about the "politicization."
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jan 2014

Not that right wingers would ever infiltrate DU and push that narrative.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
60. they are also joined by some longtimers who have hated him from day one
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:44 AM
Jan 2014

I haven't seen this much vitriol since the "let's impeach him for threatening Syria" freak out.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
63. And yet they're convinced the
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jan 2014

majority of Americans actually agree with them. Trashing the president for honoring someone who volunteered and paid a very heavy price for it. Sometimes this place makes me as sick as freeperland does.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
65. and to express such outrage with the ever eloquent use of the F word as the title of the OP...
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jan 2014
really adds class to this place.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
87. It's like being addicted to air. 'Fixes' are always easy to come by.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jan 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
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Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
66. Neither am I
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jan 2014

but I can't bring myself to be angry with the people who applauded.
The people who used this as yet another reason to attack President Obama are a different story. Them, I am angry with.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
69. I agree with you. Though President Obama set him up for it.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jan 2014

One of the saddest things is the phony "support our troops" lack of caring in our country. There should not have to be TV commercials asking for monthly contributions to make the lives of injured soldiers better. It makes me sick how they are left to flounder and without all the help they need in every single aspect of re-patriation (is that the correct word, must go look).

I looked, and yes, that's what I wanted to say.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
70. Being a Vietnam Vet
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jan 2014

neither do I. His story is inspirational.

I just hid WP thread as it was hard for me to even make it all the way through it.
Fuck this shit of taking every chance to bash the President. I don't agree with everything Obama says or does but dammit I agree way more than I disagree. With my feet planted firmly on solid ground I can see he is a god send in this world of hateful assholes we find ourselves in today.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
88. +++
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jan 2014

Bad enough he has to deal with the hateful assholes in Congress and the likes of the Stormfront fucks out there, but hearing the same kind of hateful words from 'democrats' and/or 'progressives' is grotesque.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
95. +10000000
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:35 PM
Jan 2014

Its easy for armchair warriors to talk shit when they have no inkling as to what War really is

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
98. do me a favor, please
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jan 2014

tell me WHY this man had to die

2 Jan 2014:
IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. NR-042-14
January 22, 2014
________________________________________
DOD Identifies Army Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Chief Warrant Officer Edward Balli, 42, of Monterey, Calif., died Jan. 20, in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan, of wounds from small arms fire when he was attacked by insurgents.

Balli was assigned to Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 2nd Cavalry Regiment, U.S. Army Europe, Vilseck, Germany.


DID WE NOT LEARN ANYTHING FROM VIET NAM?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
99. Its not Obama's fault that we're still there
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jan 2014

He can't wave a wand and poof we're out of there.

If I remember right it took several years for my war to end, why I don't know. If I could change that I would but it takes the will of congress to do that

Just like closing Gitmo, he can't just close it. Last I read the congress wouldn't do it, threw up roadblocks at every turn.

I feel that if it was President Obama's call we'd been out of there 5 years ago. He understands what war is

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
71. How many more deployments before Obama leaves office...
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jan 2014

Not that many here will care. We Democrats are only anti-war when the GOP is doing the killing.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
76. I feel like they always trot out some service member(s)
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jan 2014

whenever they need to whip up warm fuzzy feelings to help whatever it is they are selling go down more smoothly. It's getting old. Just my opinion.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
92. Bingo
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

That's the only reason they do it.

They market wars the same way they market Chevy Trucks, with flag-waving and apple pie.

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